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Windows Apps on BeOS?

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Posted by:Ryan on Thursday, 15 Mar, 2001 @ 6:57 PM
 
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A reader submitted some news they heard on BeOSRadio that, should it prove true, will be AMAZING. A japanese Be site has screenshots of an app that seems to run windows applications under BeOS, using Be native GUI widgets and stuff. He says he thinks the app will be released at “BeCon”, a japanese BeOS conference. A lot of the screenshots are of error messages, and the project may not be anywhere near usable, but a few (1,2,3,4,5) are quite interesting. What do you think of all this?



61 Responses to “Windows Apps on BeOS?”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Typo

    A japanese BeOS conference is “BeaCon”, not “BeCon”.

  2. Deej Says:

    To give credit where credit is due

    I got the news on this for BeOS Radio from BeEmulated (be.emugaming.com). :)

  3. Anonymous Says:

    Not impressed

    I dont see anything impressive in any of those screen shots. Another April fools joke for the upcoming month?
    Now when you get an Amiga Emulator that runs full tilt under BeOS then i will be impressed.

  4. BigZaphod Says:

    Cool!

    This looks really cool (if it is real :-) .

    There’s no reason it can’t be done. Plus those crazy people over in Japan really love the BeOS! I wouldn’t doubt it at all, really. :-)

    To me this looks more like WINE than an emulator. (WINE=Wine Is Not an Emulator). In an emulator you would actually be running Windows within a VM or something like that. In this case it looks a lot like it is actually implementing Windows API calls and mapping them to BeOS. It also must have some special software that reads the PE executable format that Windows uses and converts it to ELF or just runs it or whatever (not totaly clear on how all that works myself :-) . But that’s also not unheard of (I believe that Divx;-) does a very similar trick to use Windows DLLs on BeOS and Linux).

    Anyway, cool! And I hope it’s real! Wow!

  5. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    launcher

    What’s the name of that launcher at the bottom of the screen with the bazillion icons on it?

  6. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    In Response To Galley_SimRacer @ 03/16/2001 01:35:16 AM

    Re: launcher

    Never mind, I found it on BeBits. It’s called Kagari. Pretty cool, it automatically places the icons of the recently used application in the launcher.
    http://www.bebits.com/app/13

  7. altp Says:

    WHY?

    Why would you want windows apps on Beos? Windows apps are geberally clunky and slow, and expensive … Only thing good on windows are the games … dats it folks.

    What i’d like to see is open office and the gimp on beos … that and an updated gcc and emacs and i’d be pretty happy … perl with sockets would make me jump up and down ;-)

    Altp.

  8. Anonymous Says:

    Well duh!

    It’s not so much whether you care to see MS Office or whatever ported to BeOS, but that chicken-or-egg dilema is finally pointless! You can get users in BeOS because they don’t have to give up their existing software to use it. And why the !#$% would you use Windows if BeOS could run the software in 1/5 the space, 3x as fast, and hardly *ever* crash? So then, more people using BeOS = more exposure = more native Be apps. See? Besides.. I know there are a few apps *I’d* like to run still (Paint Shop Pro, Cakewalk, Cool Edit Pro….)

    If this *IS* true, it’ll breathe life into BeOS like no other single development has. That and the DirectX wrapper.. wow.

    -Skie

  9. Anonymous Says:

    It is in VERY early stages yet

    I have emailed the author of the wrapper (yes, it is a WINE-like implementation) and as of now, only 5-6 apps are running under BeOS. I emailed him 2 days ago, but we did not post on BeNews because his Windows implementation is in very early stages. As I said, only 6 japanese games are running. Not even notepad.exe runs currently…
    But yes, it is something to watch out for the future, but the developer has some difficult technical problems to solve regarding kernel space memory, as he told me…

    Eugenia

  10. Anonymous Says:

    And then…

    Yes, and then somebody has the idea of using windows drivers under BeOS and then BeOS is windows with a different GUI. Kinda stupid. How much time do you actually put into development of that? Why not spend that time on writing BeOS native applications? I suppose that memory-intense apps, like games or, say, ms office won’t run anyway (not that I really want to run it on ANY platform). So say, what can you do with it?

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 04:31:57 AM

    Windows applications….

    I think that there are 3 projects for Win apps under BeOS.
    The first is BeWine, but I’ve no more news since a long time (halted?), the second is BePlex86 (but the version I have is very old and can’t be used for our goal), the third…you know….and it’s very well looking. Just wait. :-)
    Tommy.
    be.emugaming.com
    PS: No, isn’t a joke.

  12. Big Al Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/16/2001 02:38:47 AM

    Re: WHY?

    I can answer why. As the IT manager for a medium size company, I’d *LOVE* to switch from Windows. I’ve become very tired of having to deal with BSOD’s and Windows changing system settings without user intervention. I would love to switch to BeOS or even Linux on the desktop for my users.

    But why can’t I? One acronym: ODBC. Our data is running on a VMS server and we do a ton of work through ODBC. BeOS obviously doesn’t have this, and AFAIK there’s nothing in Linux that will allow us to use ODBC either. So I’m stuck with Windows.

    This is huge for people like me. Right now obviously there’s nothing it will do for me, but in the future…

  13. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/16/2001 02:38:47 AM

    Re: WHY?

    Photoshop.

  14. xfilecsm Says:

    Great!……but….

    If this actually works out, and the apps are more stable on BeOS, then I’ll use it! There are unfortunately damn few native BeOS apps for astronomy (one to be exact! and it doesn’t do what I need) and none for my profession (pharmacist). Even the unix/linux astronomy program X-Ephem won’t compile to run on BeOS, and I really don’t want to use linux anyway. I thought I had convinced (bribed) a couple of people to port X-Ephem (open-sourced), but haven’t heard from either in about 3 & 1/2 months. There are several exellent astronomy programs for Windows similar to X-Ephem, and if they will work under BeOS I can finally kiss M$ goodbye for ever!

  15. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 04:31:57 AM

    Re: And then…

    Dead right. Total waste of skill and time.

  16. BigZaphod Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 04:31:57 AM

    Re: And then…

    “Why not spend that time on writing BeOS native applications?”

    Actually, they are. This app is dang cool and happens to be being developed for BeOS. So what’s the problem?
    [Edited at 21:56 Mar 16 2001 by BigZaphod]

  17. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 8:34:11 PM

    Re: And then…

    I’ve talked with many people about using BeOS and most of them are not that computer savvy. They are afraid of changing because that would mean they might have to learn something new. They know Microsoft Office. They know how to get it to do what they need done. They are comfortable and scared of change. Have you not talked to people like this? I’d venture to say that is the bulk fo the market. This would greatly ease a transistion for that user base and provide complete backward compatibility for all of there old files–which is a big business issue. Changing software platforms can mean alot of rework.

    I really hope they get this to work. It would be a big boost to BeOS.

  18. Deej Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 04:55:57 AM

    Re: Windows applications….

    Halted - no, on hold. It is one of those apps that will not progress any further without BONE, which none of the developers are partners, and something they’ve been stuck on for over a year now. :( mmap() is also very important, so that’ll probably stick ‘em once they do get BONE. Hopefully that’ll be another problem that can be overcome with a little time. :)

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 03/16/2001 07:18:46 AM

    Re: WHY?

    Well If you had looked into perl or python you would of seen that ODBC calls can be implemented with either language. you should look and see if you can apply web interface to your ODBC database

  20. Anonymous Says:

    What is wrong with you people!

    We aren’t Linux bigots you know! This is a great development! There are just tons of Windows apps out there that people need to run, and if one can run them on BeOS, its might mean a whole new userbase for BeOS. People who are stuck to Windows just because they want to run Office or some other critical program can now move to BeOS because it the apps aren’t holding them back! Also, there are *lots* of quality Windows apps, that are just hindered by the platform they run on. Saying that it isn’t good to have those apps on BeOS is just as bad as the Linux users who don’t want closed-source software on their precious OSSOS. Thankfully, I can use BeOS 100% of the time now, because I have all the apps I need in BeOS form, but not everyone is that lucky.

    PS> As for drivers, a lot of Windows drivers are quality as well. (ahem, NVIDIA’s!) I know I’d be happy if my 3Com USB webcam would work in BeOS!

  21. RaPtOr! Says:

    I agree that this is good news

    I like the idea that someone is making a program to run windows programs… this would be pretty neat, especially since like alot of be users, there are some windows apps that i’d love to simply run and use without any rebooting to windows…

    I don’t really understand why people are complaining about using windows, or it’s programs… honestly it’s perfectly fine, basicly some of you people are implying most proggys made to run in windows are bad….and ported software shouldn’t be used.. I too like pure be coded proggys but be realistic!

    hehe anyways thats what i thought…
    hope that this project if true will be successful…and free >{8-P.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/17/2001 12:03:01 AM

    Re: What is wrong with you people!

    >PS> As for drivers, a lot of Windows drivers are
    >quality as well. (ahem, NVIDIA’s!) I know I’d be
    >happy if my 3Com USB webcam would work in BeOS!

    I might actually get my printer to print in 600×600. I doubt this will ever actually happen, but it’s nice to dream …

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/16/2001 02:38:47 AM

    Re: WHY?

    Paintshop pro (though pixel32 may replace this)
    WordPerfect (which is how i receive 99% of files to work on)
    Frontpage Express (the only good thing ever to come out of MS)

    But that’s just me …

  24. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 8:34:11 PM

    Re: And then…

    I disagree. I use CADD software (drafting) daily and there’s nothing- absolutely nothing! available for BeOS yet. I end up spending 90% of my time in Windows because of that little matter. I’ve heard CADD software these days is incredibly complex, therefore hard to write, port, etc. Further, the software I’m used to is AutoCAD, Microstation and Intellicad. Aside from Intellicad, these are $3500-5000 programs that probably won’t ever be available for BeOS without a translation software such as BeWine et al.

    I’m sure most other Be users have specific needs that translation software would address.


    ansis5

  25. mlk Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 04:31:57 AM

    Re: And then…

    If you could get drivers to work under BeOS, I think everyone with an nV card would love you :)

    Next the OS is _NOT_ just the drivers and the apps, theres a little thing called the kernal, the windowing system, the networking system….

    However at first i’d agreed with you, but then I thought about it, yeah, AOL (bloody cheep) netaccess, and/or h/l. :)
    In some respects I can see this harming BeOS developement (so what if you have x users, you can run the windows version, why develop a seprate version just for you?)

    mlk

  26. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/16/2001 02:38:47 AM

    Re: WHY?

    Quicken.

  27. Anonymous Says:

    THIS IS RIDICULOUS!

    Well, the guy seems to focus largely on trying to run
    Windows based games.

    The thought of wobbly Windows apps running on BeOS is sickening, indeed, and it’d better be an ealy foolsday joke.

  28. Big Al Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 11:28:41 PM

    Re: WHY?

    Okay, that’s something I can do but it’s not something everyday Joe user can do. Most users are trained to write their own reports (using MSoft’s dbQuery program) and if I switched to queries that need to be hand-coded I’d be back to having to create reports for everyone. No thanks.

    For now, Windows stays.

    ps - I am working on making the more common reports accessible via web interfaces (I’m a PHP addict) but it just won’t work company-wide.

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/17/2001 04:12:03 AM

    Re: WHY?

    This is ugliest thing from M$.
    For idiot designers to generate IE-only bloated-bloated-bloated code.

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/17/2001 04:12:03 AM

    Re: WHY?

    frontpage sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Dreamweaver is a reason, but not frontpage.
    ms office. i know, this sucks to, many people use this and even have problems switching to StarOffice.
    Games are another reason.

    But these “screenshots” look like a fake (WindowDecor …)

  31. DrB Says:

    trolls

    This post seems to be drawing an enormous amount of anonymous comments. The trolls are in there prime. I particularly liked the one about an Amiga emulator.

    I think the program is a good idea. Good luck on it.

  32. bkakes Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 03:25:58 AM

    Re: Well duh!

    I agree it would be an extremely important development, but to answer your question: drivers. Right now, BeOS doesn’t support my scanner, my printer, my digital camera, my USB SmartMedia reader, 3D on my video card (TNT2 Ultra), my DVD MPEG card, or most of my sound card (SBLive!). Not that I don’t love the BeOS; it’s my main operating system and whatnot. But most people won’t accept that, especially if they just want to run the same old Windows applications.

    Anyway, I would *love* to see this happen, but it alone would not allow everyone and their mother to run the BeOS.

  33. Anonymous Says:

    windows apps on beos?

    i think it’s sucks and a stupid idea
    what is wrong with you people?

  34. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 08:20:53 AM

    Re: WHY?

    Gimp.

  35. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/17/2001 04:12:03 AM

    Re: WHY?

    I was going to respomd to this thread with a linux esponce but desioded agaiunst it :)

    I remember seeing an artixcle about a photo program for Beos … hows that coming? Personally i hate using photo shop … takes up the whole screen.

    Save your files as word documents and use gobe … I converted all mine to word and use staroffice … WP is really starting to suck (I used to love it, but that past couple releaes have not been worth the mony i shelled out for them)

    I’m not even gonna go into front page :)

    Altp

  36. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/17/2001 08:13:19 AM

    Re: WHY?

    gnucash.

    I’m sorry, but if you only gonna offer a one word reply i’m gonna offer a 1 word linux solution that i know works wonderfully … I don’y wanna start an OS war here :)

    Altp.

  37. altp Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 03/16/2001 07:18:46 AM

    Re: WHY?

    Okay i can go with odbc for the sake of the average user that wants nothing to do with lewarning sql or other sych thing …

    However i think you(you = beos ;) ) would be better off getting native database stuff, it would be consuiderably faster.

    Altp.

  38. Anonymous Says:

    It still will do more harm than good

    BeOS would cease to exist as an OS… I see absolutely no reason to run Windows apps on BeOS. BeOS is BeOS, and Windows is Windows… If there is some sort of emulator, people will DEFINITELY stop writing BeOS apps and think ‘Why would I write a BeOS app while I can write an app for Win and get more money and then the crappy BeOS public will go and try and run my prog using the emulator’. There WILL be more bugs that a user can handle, everything will be unstable and think about all the security issues too… It’s just ridiculous. If you love your OS, it must have its own apps/drivers/whatever on it. Because, I think, the best emulator for Windows is Windows folks!! Since there will be more crappy software/implementations released, more people will at first use BeOS but will eventually get distracted by Winapps performance and quit this. So think…. It’s a bad idead, really bad!

  39. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/19/2001 03:17:02 AM

    Re: It still will do more harm than good

    P.S. There’s BeBochs, if you still want to run Windows very much in BeOS. At least, it clearly defines what’s BeOS and what’s Windows.

  40. bkakes Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/19/2001 03:17:02 AM

    Re: It still will do more harm than good

    Undoubtedly, it’s a difficult issue. OS/2 had practically the same problem; since it ran Windows 3.1 applications so well, few developers bothered writing native OS/2 programs. Why write for a small portion of the market when you can write for everyone in one move?

    However, I think we all know that unless something changes dramatically, the BeOS will never become more than a hobbyists’ or specialists’ OS. It quite frankly has neither the applications nor the drivers to suit the needs of most users. In order to use the BeOS as it exists right now, you either have to accept that you won’t be able to use such-and-such hardware, that you won’t be able to view certain web sites, that you won’t be able to view certain movies, etc., or be willing to reboot to Windoze. As a “power user” and an OS hobbyist, I’m ok with that. I understand why I can’t use certain files/hardware and I’m fine with rebooting to Windoze every now and then (although I’d obviously prefer not to have to). Most users, however, will find this confusing and rather unsatisfactory.

    So I guess your view of whether or not a Windoze emulator is a good thing (regardless of this particular project) depends on how optimistic you are about the fate of the BeOS without the emulation. If you think it has a legitimate chance at making it on its own, this would be a bad development. If you don’t, this might be the hail mary to save the system. As for me, if it doesn’t come around, I’ll keep using the BeOS that I know and love. If it does, I will enjoy using Photoshop, etc. under the BeOS and watch interestedly as the events unfold.

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To DrB @ 03/18/2001 5:45:35 PM

    Re: trolls

    Hey, include me out!

    For some reason, begroovy has not been accepting my password lately

  42. gmlongo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 8:34:11 PM

    Re: And then…

    Why is it a waste? This is something that they wanted to write, so they are writing it. Period. They don’t have to have your approval to develop applications.

    I wish them the best of luck and hope that they continue their good work.

    -G

  43. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/15/2001 7:59:10 PM

    Re: Not impressed

    Soon we will hopefully have the JIT-compiler for
    UAE on BeOS.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/15/2001 7:59:10 PM

    Re: Not impressed

    whats wrong with the current UAE?

  45. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/18/2001 11:23:36 PM

    Re: WHY?

    Not everyone uses the GIMP.

    Everywhere I’ve worked in the past couple of years has used Microsoft Outlook, because you schedule meetings through it. The company simply cannot switch to another operating system, because as soon as you do, you won’t get any notifications about meetings.

    And there are many, many, many people who need to be able to read a particular file format with absolutely no compatibility problems. Is there a Linux (or BeOS) app that can handle RoboHelp files? Nope, and there are all sorts of apps like that that fall into the same category.

  46. Zippy Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 03/19/2001 04:16:21 AM

    Mod this one up!

    This is truly ’nuff said on the matter…

  47. Anonymous Says:

    I think it’s a great idea

    The Be community doesn’t have any room for evangelism. While I do agree it would be nice to have native apps instead, let’s be realistic here.

    Until BeOS draws enough attention for developers to begin writing applications en masse, it’s simply not going to become a mainstream choice. I think BONE and accelerated OpenGL are going to bring some additional game developers over to BeOS, possibly ID Software with Q3 and a few others.

    I have personally written letters to NVidia and Creative Labs about supporting BeOS driver development. I also delivered an ultimatum: that if they continued to be completely unsupportive then I would no longer buy their products. So far, no response.

    At this point, writing *any* kind of application for BeOS should never be construed as a bad idea, and developers should be thanked and supported for their contributions. Right now, most developers for BeOS are losing money, but they take the longer approach of viewing it as an investment. I like BeOS, but I’m going to take a little stand in saying that BeOS shouldn’t be evangelised in the way Linux is, because it does more to detract from the OS than anything else. No religious wars please…

    I don’t want this to sound like a complaint, but common responses to questions in the Linux community are often met with a common response: RTFM.

    Let’s try to be more supportive than that…

    Thank you,

    A potential BeOS developer

  48. Anonymous Says:

    Regardless of the naysayers…

    being able to run windoze apps on Be would be a great thing.

    Many people would like to be able to run Be exclusivly, but cant because of one or two apps that only exist in windoze, and have a snowball’s chance of being ported. Im this way, both at work and at home. Things like Protel, AutoCAD, pSpice and MatLab arent going to be ported (most cant even make it to Mac or *nix), and there are no reasonable alternatives for most.

    Many other people would like to try Be, but are afraid of not being able to use their windoze programs. Even though alternatives may exist, they need some familiar ground to get comfortable with something new.

    This sort of thing wouldnt cause Be to cease as an os, has development for linux apps ceased because of wine? or for BSD apps because of the linux emu for it? No.

    I would like to thank the people responsable for this, and for BeWine. Dont let the idiots get you down, what you guys are doing will be well worth it when it is done.

    WhiteRabbit

  49. BeNut Says:

    Go back home…

    Why don’t all you people who want to use winapps just go back to Windows? Let’s be honest here. Windows isn’t THAT slow, and it isn’t THAT unstable.

    Its just more efficient for you to stay with Windows than to try to turn BeOS into a Windows clone.

  50. Zippy Says:

    In Response To BeNut @ 03/20/2001 01:16:00 AM

    Re: Go back home…

    Often it has little to do with what one wants, but what options are available. If there are Windows tools and programs that I need to use for work or recreation or whatever, but which have no comparable (or even crude) alternatives in BeOS, then yes I will be booting into Windows to use them. There is no “what I want” here.

    To say that working on my PC in this fashion is more efficient provides little solace and less logic. Let’s say I’m in BeOS 95% of my computing time. Actually I _can_ say that because for me it’s true. I’m in it right now. I’m working on all kinds of things: chatting with friends in BeShare, checking my email, running a Perl process, a Web server — posting this reply. I’m doing many general computing and some BeOS-specific things. If I now have to shut everything down so I can boot into Windows and perform a few tasks there for an hour or so, how is this efficient? It isn’t. How does this benefit me? It doesn’t.

    I would love to drop Windows completely, but there are a few applications for which I must keep it around for (and I emphasis the word “must”, as I do little in the way of computer gaming). If there was a fairly stable and reliable way of running those apps in the BeOS, or emulating Windows and running them that way, I’d take that over what I’m doing now.

    Is this the best choice, the best way to use the BeOS? No. But I prefer a pragmatic viewpoint on things like this. Some BeOS users can afford to turn their noses up to such concerns. I however, and many like me, cannot.

    BTW, quite a welcoming statement there in your first sentence… :>|

  51. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/19/2001 5:04:21 PM

    Re: WHY?

    If thats the case why are you even looking into switching to another OS?

    Niether Beos, Linux, Mac, Qnx, etc … are gonna be a better Windows than Windows … the last OS to do that was OS/2 warp, and it could only handle windows 3.x apps.

    The point of switching to a differeent OS is to gain the benifits it offers over your current one … not bring along all of the old os’s bagage. If there is enough demand the app will be ported.

    btw: evolution should have the functionality of MS Outlook your looking for… Just no idea when :)

  52. Anonymous Says:

    WinBe : detail page.

    here is the official page in english ;-)
    http://winbe.twintail.org/details.html

  53. gmlongo Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/20/2001 07:42:16 AM

    Re: WHY?

    But you still need something like Exchange server to come anywhere close to Outlook’s functionality. AFAIK, there is no such product yet for Linux.

    -G

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/16/2001 04:31:57 AM

    Re: Maybe 3DSMAX works…

    I’m searching for the posib running of some 3D animation program as 3D Studio Max. I’m so familiar with it, and i prefer using this under BeOS too.
    Maybe, so, those Kinetix guys will give importance to port their great software to BeOS; if not I’ll use this WINE replicant…

  55. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/20/2001 08:02:46 AM

    Re: WinBe : detail page.

    Hey, the images shown (especially the second,
    I stopped looking after that) are just that
    fancy trick you can use to change the look to
    MacOS, AmigaOS or Windows9x!!!

    (As detailed in the BeOS Bible)

  56. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/20/2001 7:35:37 PM

    Re: WinBe : detail page.

    You have missed the point.

    “I stopped looking after [the second image]…”

    *Sigh* Look again. And if you don’t understand what you’re seeing and why it’s impressive (including some of the technical/debug output running in the MuTerm windows in the background), you can ask here, and hopefully someone will be kind enough to explain it to you if you don’t judgementally dismiss it.

  57. BeNut Says:

    In Response To Zippy @ 03/20/2001 03:11:31 AM

    Re: Go back home…

    The question is whether you have to boot into BeOS at all. As much as I love BeOs I have to admit that there really isn’t anything at the moment that I do in BeOS that I can’t do in Win, but there’s plenty of stuff I can do in Win that I can’t do in BeOs. In fact, if I could run Win apps in BeOS, I’d probably use them more often than the native apps. So what’s the point? I might as well be using Win.

  58. BeNut Says:

    Remember OS/2?

    Back in early ‘95 I tried OS/2 just because it could run what was then Win 3.1 apps. And it could, but not as well as Win 3.1. I could have lived with it temporarily until native OS/2 replacement apps came out, but that never happened. So, I reluctantly returned to Windows when 95 was released.

    IBM would have been better off focusing on native apps and forgetting Win altogether. Let’s face it, OS/2 blew Win 3.1/DOS away. There was no reason it couldn’t have lured Win users away on its own merits if it had the software support to do it. The same is true for BeOS. What? You say there aren’t enough BeOS users to make developing software for it pay off? Easy! Include a copy of PE with the software and create users. (unless, of course, that would violate anti-trust laws prompting Microsoft to sue for unfair business practices.)

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/16/2001 02:38:47 AM

    Re: WHY?

    one word-audio! sound forge, acid, rebirth (though rack747 is way better in my opinion), logic, cubase, etc etc…tools that audio professionals can actually use in their work, which are nearly nonexistent for Be at this point.

    however, if these apps were ported there would be a Bebox in every recording studio.

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To BigZaphod @ 03/15/2001 8:15:51 PM

    Re: Cool!

    what would be even cooler (and i know all about cool) is if there were an intel version sheepshaver or if they had the BeOS setup like the AmigaDE.

    Later ‘gators.

  61. Gio P Says:

    Does anyone know of a way to view the main Hard Drive on BeOS, so that I can maybe set up AOL (if possible), and even install some BeOS programs I downloaded from windows. They are in the C:\BeOS folder.

    Giovanni P.

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