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Watch Encrypted DVDs on BeOS. NOW.

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Posted by:Ryan on Tuesday, 20 Feb, 2001 @ 11:46 PM
 
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DVD has been one of the most sought after applications for BeOS. Countless users ask about it, and many say it’s the only thing holding them back from using BeOS 100%. Well, that is all about to change. As I type this, a window on my desktop is playing my Saving Private Ryan DVD direct from disc. Thats right… BeOS has DVD playback, and it’s available NOW. Read On…

Eugenia Loli ran an interview with the Creators of VideoLAN on BeNews yesterday. The article discussed how they were working on complete support, but could not play encrypted DVD’s due to a limitation of the BeOS DVD drivers. With todays release of videolan for beos, they have overcome the problem, and created the first DVD player for BeOS based computers.

While what they have completed is a HUGE accomplishment, it is not complete. There is still no control for the dvd. Menu support and dvd playback controls are planned for future versions.

VideoLAN is a huge project, with GREAT potential. I urge all you people playing DVDs out there to take some time to write the developers and let them know how much you appreciate their work… and continue to support them as they continue to support us.
This is a great day. :)



45 Responses to “Watch Encrypted DVDs on BeOS. NOW.”

  1. Eugenia Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 02/21/2001 11:25:15 AM

    Re: Overlay support in the next release - Radeon?

    All the video cards work fine with videolan and some of them have even overlay support. Except the ones that work only with VESA, I would think so.

    As for DVD roms, all the IDE ones should work fine. There are some scsi though, like that 8x SCSI Pioneer for example, that do not work well.

  2. Hobbes69 Says:

    It works, but you better have a fast machine!

    Well, I downloaded the new version, popped in The Matrix and what do you know? It played! While its not perfect it is a *HUGE* step forward. The sound for me was slightly out of sync at times but then would get back in sync. Also it just about maxed out my Thunderbird 800, so don’t be dissapointed if the playback isn’t watchable yet! For those who can’t playback DVD’s but still want to see whats its like I have 3 jpg’s on BeShare, My Matrix1.jpg 2 & 3.

    Richard M. Shaw

  3. Korson Says:

    What can I say.

    This makes my nipples hard. Yeah, that seems to sum it up pretty much perfectly.

    Korson.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Overlay support in the next release

    I just got an email from Jean-Marc saying that the next VideoLAN version will have overlay support! This will make your client run *several times* faster.
    As of now, the only cards that support overlay on BeOS are:
    Matrox G200, ATI Rage PRO/TURBO.
    As already stated in previous BeNews article, the new GL drivers for Voodoo3/4/5 will have overlay support too. Hurray! :)

    Eugenia.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Hobbes69 @ 02/21/2001 00:03:01 AM

    Re: It works, but you better have a fast machine!

    Please tell me what kind of gfx card you have. If you got a Voodoo, please let me know.

    Eugenia

  6. DaaT Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/21/2001 04:31:34 AM

    Re: Overlay support in the next release

    What about the Radeon, will it have HW Overlay?

  7. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To DaaT @ 02/21/2001 06:23:43 AM

    Re: Overlay support in the next release - Radeon?

    I think it won’t. At least it doesn’t at the moment. I tried the 2D Radeon drivers found on Rage3D.com web site and KTV didn’t work. KTV is a TV application that it actually makes use of the overlay.
    Eugenia, do you know if there is Radeon H/W overlay support planned for the future?

    Gordon (aka ThePunisher)

  8. Hobbes69 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/21/2001 05:35:59 AM

    Re: It works, but you better have a fast machine!

    I’m using the Radeon w/ the leaked drivers.

  9. cedricd Says:

    I don’t get it

    HOw the heck does it work? I thought any CSS cracking algorithm
    (e.g. DeCSS) was illegal if not licensed from the [chuckle] RIAA anf “friends” ?

    If they found a way around that legal trivia and won’t see lawyers
    knocking on their door (ECParis, right?) soon then it’s a great day
    for BeOS indeed.. I can’t realise the piece of news yet though,
    sounds too good to be true..

  10. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 02/21/2001 07:51:17 AM

    Re: I don’t get it

    The “cracking” code they used is part of the Linux 2.4 kernel too. So, if the RIAA guys try to bust VideoLAN, they should bust Linus too. Take it easy.

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Hobbes69 @ 02/21/2001 07:47:48 AM

    Re: It works, but you better have a fast machine!

    Jean-Marc from VideoLAN uses a Radeon too I think and he didn’t have any problems AFAIK.. Email him to check what’s up with that.
    Do you use your DVD-Rom in UDMA mode? You should do, otherwise DVD playback will be slow anyways.

  12. Eugenia Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/21/2001 06:49:31 AM

    Re: Overlay support in the next release - Radeon?

    I don’t know about Radeon. Ask someone at Be. I forgot to check Radeon’s overlay status when I had the card back in October, when I was doing the benchmarks. :o

    Eugenia.

  13. mlk Says:

    My Heros

    Yeah!

  14. Kart Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 02/21/2001 07:51:17 AM

    Re: I don’t get it

    It’s legally untouchable. What the RIAA says doesn’t matter. Being located in France and developing the software under a Free license also helps protect VideoLAN from evil media lawyers. So unless you’re a movie industry suit, VideoLAN is a wonderful thing. I mentioned this last Wednesday over here on BeNews, too.

  15. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/21/2001 04:31:34 AM

    Re: Hurray!

    I wonder how VideoLAN compares to Be’s unreleased in-house DVD software? I can just imagine some Be engineers running comparisons between Be’s stuff and VideoLAN. ;-)

    The unfortunate thing is that due to VideoLAN’s rogue status in the eyes of the big bastard companies, it’ll never make it onto commercial appliances. VideoLAN will make a great do-it-yourself 3rd party application, though.

  16. VitViper Says:

    Woohoo!

    I’m building my computer and I putting a DVD drive into it. So this is great news for me! One step forward away from Win!!! Now only if I could play Starcraft in BeOS…. :P

  17. Kart Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 02/21/2001 07:59:49 AM

    Re: Overlay support in the next release - Radeon?

    Eugenia, do you or Jean-Marc know which video cards are known to work with vlc?

    If people test VideoLAN with their systems and email me, I’ll put up a list of working configurations.

  18. Anonymous Says:

    Damn you!

    Now I have to buy a DVD drive! Damn you all!

  19. BigZaphod Says:

    Nice..

    I just popped in a movie a bit ago and tested it out. Impressive! However, not very useful at the moment due to the sync problems and dropped frames.

    I have a PII 400Mhz with a Matrox G200 and a Creative DVD Drive (the first version they released a few years ago). I can play DVDs very nicely with almost no sync or dropped frame issues in Windows on the same box using a software decoder, so I know the machine can handle it. In BeOS the audio is way off and the frame dropping is just nasty.

    However that doesn’t mean I’m not impressed with this. :-) This is just plain AWESOME news. I told a Linux-using-friend this morning and he was very impressed as well so this is certainly a very positive step in the right direction. :-)

    Keep up the great work!

  20. Kart Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 02/21/2001 12:00:10 AM

    Re: Overlay support in the next release - Radeon?

    AnEvilYak’s DVD drive is probably scsi. I know it’s a Pioneer, and the rest of his system is 100% scsi, so it would follow that the DVD is scsi as well.

    Well, if the vast majority of DVD drives work, that’s wonderful. I’m going shopping for a DVD drive tonight. As long as it’ll work on an ATA66 bus and vlc ignores region codes, the brand doesn’t really matter to me. Any suggestions?

  21. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 02/21/2001 1:34:54 PM

    Re: Overlay support in the next release - Radeon?

    Get an IDE one. Samsung DVDs should work ok.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To BigZaphod @ 02/21/2001 1:32:49 PM

    Re: Nice..

    You should not have lost frames with MG200 and PII-400. Make sure your DVD is running in UDMA mode on BeOS.

  23. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/21/2001 1:53:59 PM

    Re: Nice..

    How do you make sure it’s UDMA mode?

  24. Kart Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 02/21/2001 2:14:15 PM

    Making sure your DVD drive is speedy

    IIRC, there’s a tip on Betips about enabling DMA. It should be enabled by default, but you never know.

    Try putting your dvd player on an ide chain all by itself. Chains with a master & slave require more cpu and limit bandwidth somewhat.

    And of course, if you have a choice between ATA33 and ATA66 busses (and your dvd drive supports it) then you should certainly put the dvd drive on the faster bus.
    [Edited at 16:47 Feb 21 2001 by Kart]

  25. altp Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 02/21/2001 10:13:17 AM

    Re: Hurray!

    As long as i don’t have to be in windows to play with dvd’s now i’m happy … 1 more piece of hardqware away from getting rid of windows … damn scanners

    Altp.

  26. Zippy Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 02/21/2001 2:14:15 PM

    Re: Nice..

    UDMA is enabled through BIOS. As Kart says above, it is typically enabled by default. If it’s not enabled, then one should wrack her/his brain to remember if there’s a good reason for it not being so. Sometimes DMA/UDMA is disabled to deal with hardware conflicts (I think this may even be suggested within a few Betips).

    Also, note that not all DVD drives support UDMA. Older ones though typically support Multiword DMA. Not great when compared to UDMA, but you take what you can get…

    BTW, I think the Betips Kart mentions is this one:

    http://www.betips.net/cgi-bin/chunga.pl?ID=tip557

  27. BigZaphod Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/21/2001 1:53:59 PM

    Re: Nice..

    My BIOS says UDMA is “Auto” which is the only option other than disabled. So that seems OK. Also, the DVD drive is the master on the secondary IDE Bus and there is no slave. Any more tips? :-)

  28. LeftTurn Says:

    This is promising!

    This sounds really good. I personally don’t watch DVDs on the computer anymore (Nice home theatre setup for that), but this is good progress. DVD is something alot of users have been clamoring for and it’s finally here! :)

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To BigZaphod @ 02/22/2001 10:42:42 AM

    Re: Nice..

    This is good to hear… I mean, that I’m not the only one having problems. I tried to watch Frequency on my dual PIII 700 last night, and they all looked like they had twitches and sounded like stuttering chipmunks… I’ll be glad if/when this gets fixed. =0)

  30. Eugenia Says:

    In Response To BigZaphod @ 02/21/2001 7:58:44 PM

    Re: Nice..

    I have similar problems. There is a bug somewhere in the code, there is nothing wrong with the DVD Rom. There are people with Celeron 350 and they never skip frames. There are people with PIIIs at 850 they do lose frames, even if they play a .vob file from the hdd instead of the DVD! This happens with SOME PCs. The guys are trying to find a pattern.

  31. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 02/21/2001 10:07:25 AM

    Re: I don’t get it

    Well the DeCSS guy(s) were finnish or something and the bad
    boys at RIAA played bully tricks all the same.. But the above comment
    also adds more “data” for reflexion, I think I’d better educate myself
    before commenting further :-) , especially as DVD is not my thing.. Now
    on to (chuckle) benews so that I “get it”!

    This is extremly good news at any rate. Such things
    don’t happen overnight usually.. took a few people by surprise I guess.

  32. BigZaphod Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 02/22/2001 03:57:11 AM

    Re: Nice..

    Ok, cool. Also I did not have realtime audio and video turned on. When I turned them on the video seemed to skip a few less frames but it was still unwatchable. Hopefully my info will help them figure something out.

  33. Kart Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 02/22/2001 07:28:40 AM

    Re: I don’t get it

    The DeCSS guy was in Norway. Eric S. Raymond wrote an article about the DeCSS fiasco; you can read it at OpenDVD.org.

    ESR said that the DVD Control Association (DVDCA) is arguing “that if DeCSS is allowed to proliferate, illegal copying of DVDs will become routine. Content producers (the film and television industry) will be irreparably injured because the market returns for their products will be stolen wholesale by pirates.”
    But the DVDCA is lying to the courts, and they’d rather keep the consuming public completely in the dark on these issues. ESR said this:
    “The real story here, though, is that the DVDCA’s central complaint is fraudulent. DVD encryption does nothing to prevent content piracy. A pirate doesn’t have to know how to decode DVDs to make bit-for-bit copies of them by the thousands. And no DVD player can distinguish between a legally distributed original and a pirated bit-for-bit copy. The amount of protection content producers get from DVD is exactly zero.”
    “Why is the DVDCA lying? That’s easy — because the lie sounds a lot better than admitting that DVD is a fraud designed to line the pockets of a few selected players in the consumer-electronics industry. The DVDCA’s real issue isn’t protection of the market for DVD films, it’s control of the market for DVD *players*.”
    And on hopefully unrelated topic, I noticed that BEOS stock down 0.375 to 1.250 now. :(

  34. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/22/2001 12:43:26 AM

    Re: Nice..

    I just got my first DVD movie and hardware yesterday. (Yeah, I’m such a luddite).

    Unfortunately, you can’t specify which .vob file to play. The US-version of Gladiator comes on 2 discs. When I try to play the first one all I get is a 3 minute long animated menu thing that I can’t interact with. At the end of the video clip there is a prompt to choose audio and subtitle modes. The second disc won’t play at all. VLC says it can’t find any appropriate vobs on it.

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/21/2001 07:57:17 AM

    Re: It works, but you better have a fast machine!

    Yeah sure but how do you determine the DVD drive is using UDMA in BeOS. It uses it in Win2K and the setting is available for adjustment but in the Bios I can only asertain that the computer is using it through the Auto setting as opposed to Disabled.

    Secondly on my system ausio syncing is all over the place, frames are dropped and if I watch DVD I like to have it running full screen but I assume this will become an option later down the track. For now though the progress is uplifting but alas I will still be using Win2K for DVD playback.

    System
    AMD K7 700
    Epox Slot A MB
    256 PC133 SDRam
    TnT 2 M64 Video card
    Pioneer 16x EIDE DVD Drive
    SB Live OEM Value sound card
    BeOS 5.03 Pro
    Wanting DVD playback, BONE, and OpenGL
    DVD for the obvious
    BONE for leaving my system on a home LAN and allowing easy access to MP3 for the other computers
    OpenGL for TargetWares upcomming Korea flight sim (-: check www.targetware.net for details, a BeOS version of this would be great as the architecture will be open to the community and it will be OpenGL native.

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 02/22/2001 4:48:12 PM

    Re: Nice..

    Try from the terminal
    vlc dvd:(path of your DVD drive)
    that should enable the second disk to play from the beginning of the movie.

    Piers Bray

  37. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To VitViper @ 02/21/2001 11:16:04 AM

    Re: Woohoo!

    I must agree.

    snow

  38. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 02/22/2001 4:43:01 PM

    Re: I don’t get it

    The DVDCA’s real issue isn’t protection of the market for DVD films, it’s control of the market for DVD *players*.”

    Hmm… well, though I am interested in the matter, I don’t follow it up in depth. However, I heard this one first time now… can you drop some links for backing up this view?! Thanks..

  39. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 02/22/2001 4:43:01 PM

    Re: I don’t get it

    excellent writings here.. I’m no ESR fan (probably the very last) bu the hits the nail
    on the head here.. another relevant quote:

    The Linux hackers who broke DVDs encryption didn’t do it because they
    wanted to copy DVDs — nobody needs DeCSS to do copying! They did it
    because they wanted to play the DVDs they legally owned through their
    Linux machines. And that is what the DVDCA really wants to prevent;
    they’re protecting their members’ monopoly on DVD players.

    (edit)
    it’s all a bit frightening actually.. if DeCSS got sued on no firm legal ground,
    VideoLAN could, too, being on the RIAA “radar” since it spans Linux and BeOS and..
    Oh well, we’ll see soon enough if the RIAA has a brain to lead the body or if they’re
    all droids. Gotta find a DVD Player now :-)

    [Edited at 9:35 Feb 23 2001 by cedricd]

  40. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 02/22/2001 6:22:25 PM

    Re: Nice..

    Wrong. Sorry, but that doesn’t work.

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 02/21/2001 8:41:22 PM

    Re: This is promising!

    I have a nice setup too, but I use my comp to play dvd’s I have a lot of region 1 & 2 dvds i want to play, so if beos can play the movies for me instead of windows - that is good news :)

    fanatic

  42. djberg96 Says:

    In Response To Korson @ 02/21/2001 00:38:23 AM

    Re: What can I say.

    You can say that watching DVD’s on a computer sounds great, but theory and practice are two different things.

    While I’m glad to see that this technology is coming along for BeOS, I think people will realize that it’s much more enjoyable to watch their favorite DVD’s on a 27″ TV screen than a 17″ monitor.

    I’ve got a DVD player on my computer. I also have the APEX AD600 DVD player, which serves a quadruple function (DVD, mp3, vcd and regular audio discs). Give me a choice, and I’ll watch a DVD on my TV.

    Of course, where the computer has the edge is that you could do snapshots or (gasp) record DVD direct to your hard drive.

    The DeCSS issue will be moot, I think, with the advent of writable DVD’s. It’s only a matter of time (months?) before I can simply copy a dvd in the same manner anyone can copy a regular audio CD.

    And to think, DAT tapes never made it to the consumer, while CD burners had almost no opposition. Strange world.

    Dan

  43. ripper Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 02/21/2001 07:51:17 AM

    Is DeCSS the conclusion of being lawful? (Re: I don’t get it

    As long as that is right, may I make DVD ripping software for BeOS?

  44. cedricd Says:

    In Response To djberg96 @ 02/25/2001 11:25:20 AM

    Re: What can I say.

    The DeCSS issue will be moot, I think, with the advent of writable DVD’s. It’s only a matter of time (months?) before I can simply
    copy a dvd in the same manner anyone can copy a regular audio CD

    actually, as pointed out below by kart, the DeCSS issue was moot the very
    day it surfaced, as DVD’s have always been copiable with any DVD wrtier.
    CSS is a play-protection, not a copy protection.

    A bit more nit-picking, sorry:
    DAT tapes never made it to the consumer, while CD burners

    well, random access rules :-)

  45. batchall Says:

    In Response To djberg96 @ 02/25/2001 11:25:20 AM

    Re: What can I say.

    I think watching dvd’s on a 17″ IS an option when u got no place for a 27″ TV… my 18mē are already full w/o it, so i don’t want to waste space… and money.

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