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Interview: Jean-Louis Gassée - Part Deux

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Posted by:Ryan on Sunday, 14 Jan, 2001 @ 9:20 PM
 
Interview

Well, I guess I have held out long enough on Part 2 of the infamous Jean-Louis Gassée interview. So now i have posted part 2 online, as an extension to the first part of the interview. You can jump straight to the second half here. Feel free to pick up from where the first half’s comments left off, or head over here and keep on chugging with new comments. I hope it was worth the wait. Update: BTW - JLG has agreed to answer 10 questions from our comments (as picked by us) so, get your thinking caps on boys & girls.



160 Responses to “Interview: Jean-Louis Gassée - Part Deux”

  1. Nutcase Says:

    FYI - other comments

    Please note there are 50 comments on the first 4 pages of the interview here. Feel free to continue those threads, or (preferably) start new threads here. Have fun. :)

  2. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/14/2001 9:32:06 PM

    Re: FYI - other comments

    Part two is truckload of fucking shit - pardon the English but tha’s the way I see it.

  3. Anonymous Says:

    Rules, Rules, Rules

    What we really wanted was something like this from JLG:

    “Yes, we will continue developing BeOS as a viable alternative to other OS’s”

    or

    “No, BeOS is not our focus, it is a life support system for BeIA”

  4. Nimdok Says:

    part 2

    First off, good job on the interview nutcase. One of the strangest I’ve ever read.

    The story I’m getting is this: Be doesn’t know the status of R6. They don’t know if it’s reasonable (profitable) to release it, and they don’t know what to try and put in it. This is why there is absolutely no information available; they don’t want to raise hope when they are so uncertain about its status themselves. If the situation were any different I’m certain they’d have said something by now.

    Despite that, I think it’s completely clear that JLG and everyone at Be really really want to release an R6. It just doesn’t seem to be financially feasible for them at this point in time.

    I’ll throw out the obvious questions, which I now realize can’t be answered:

    When will BONE, OpenGL, Opera update, media kit update (new rumor :) be released and in what manner?

  5. Martin Caron Says:

    Be-p Be-p, roadrunner!!

    A question for JLG (du plus “mad scientist” au quebec).

    Do we have any chance to see BeIA device linked to more advanced device kinda BeOS mainframe. BeIA device are cool but they are not using multimedia in the “understanded” way.

    Does BeIA will go the way of distributed processing. Buying BeIA compatible device would be a big plus value if that would add to the total home computing power of all your other BeIA device. I was thinking of that because BeOS is so good at distributing is task (in a heavy spawned tread program) and i find this advantage lost in BeIA and put is too close to linux or winCE.

    Donovan Schulteis (from Qubit Technology) told me he was to somewhat relaunch neo-programmer and be-united soon. It would be awsome if you could help them doing a “numero un” site to go for develloper AND hobbyist. Letting some staff doing advanced part and linking the site to Be site. Look how aminet helped extending the life of the amiga, a strong community is important and it all start from develloper!

    One last thing JLG, let your employees be know to the BeOS community. They are important (perhaps more than you think) and should not be see like serial number like M$ employee (poor guys that work for nothing, no sense of achivment is hard for a REAL programmer).

    Now about the stock price. I’m a shareholder and i don’t care at the current situation. Continue the great work and the succes will come. I will tell you the real thing that could push the price up and it’s a transparent mapping of window program binary to the BeOS API. I would also like to see our OS in the medical machinery and industrial automate (allen bradly, siemen etc…). The BeOS media kit sound section is awsome to do motor control!! Very well adapted to do the task.

  6. Nimdok Says:

    In Response To Anonymous Chicken @ 01/15/2001 02:50:56 AM

    Re: part 2

    Eh, apparently more than JLG :)

  7. Landar Says:

    Hang in there

    Jean-Louis,

    I understand how you feel that you have to pursue BeIA now for business reasons. I understand how investors like to see a profit and how you have to keep them happy now. But BeOS is the best damn operating system I’ve ever seen. If you support it, they will come. It isn’t the media OS or the development OS, it is THE OS. Everyone who tries it falls in love with it. As more applications and drivers are written, there will be more users. The tide is turning, hang in there.

    Landar

  8. Jim Duggan Says:

    Sheesh…

    Ask him if he has ever considered a career in politics. Sheesh…

    Why can’t he be open and just say, yes we will support BeOS, or no we wont, instead of giving up crap about being CEO and stock prices and stuff. I mean… he can’t even tell us if there is going to be an R6? I fear this interview has done more harm than good.

    Also, whats up with slagging off the ‘busy’ Beos news sites? Every news site, no matter how big or small has had a huge investment of time and effort behind it - and they exist for the benefit of the community. Why slag them off in order to praise BeGroovy? Why not just say.. Yeah I like Begroovy, it’s cool. Instead of saying… I like beGroovy better than the other ‘busy’ sites. (i.e. BeNews).
    Eh?

    It seems a little like the management at Be Inc is ashamed of its bastard offspring BeOS, and are cutting off the life support like IBM and OS/2.

    Next time, do an interview with Sakoman. Maybe then we will get some straight answers.

  9. Jonathan Thompson Says:

    In Response To Martin Caron @ 01/14/2001 11:22:53 PM

    Re: Be-p Be-p, roadrunner!!

    I would also like to see Be OS doing industrial machine control and also the medical devices (I write software that controls CNC machines and Press Brakes) because it would be easier to work with than what I am currently writing for (Windows 9x/NT). I would state I don’t trust 9x for long-term stability, in general, though for a dedicated system with good drivers and only the control software (written correctly) it is stable enough.

    Where am I going with this? As much as I love Be OS, the biggest stability limitation at this time is the app_server. It may not (technically) be part of the kernel, but having it run without fail is just as important for the end-user. Where the interface goes, so goes everything else. It is simply too prone to deadlocks from port overloading. At least 9 out of 10 times I have had to reboot my system can be traced to the app_server dying on me. I have not had a second computer to telnet in and restart it, so that is not valid. In the controlled environment of a dedicated system where the user is only allowed to run the control software, that may not be a problem.

    Another issue I have not had the ability to test long-enough term is how the app_server handles memory fragmentation. Most medical machinery I have seen seem like they would be easy to write software for with a fixed amount of data structures, thus mostly avoiding application memory fragmentation. Proper memory management within the application itself will take care of things becoming too bad in those respects. However, there is no control or accurate way to measure whether or not the app_server has become too fragmented, and how to control it. It may indeed be a moot point, as the implementation of the kits that interface with the app_server may use handles that the app_server then uses to control resources, doing a defragmentation as needed within its’ own process. However, if that is not actually the case, the fragmentation will eventually become an issue.

    This is not a real concern with an Internet Appliance, as they are very fast and easy to reboot, and it is not fatal (typically) to have the occasional disruption. Very ugly, yes, but nothing is likely to be harmed. Having the GUI crash on an industrial machine or a medical device could very likely endanger machine and humans. Be OS (at revision 5.0.3) is simply not ready, when using the app_server, for such critical operations. However, that is not to say that you could not use the kernel, and avoid using the app_server, but that would be defeating a lot of the reasons to use Be OS in the first place. In particular, on the industrial machines I write software for, we use OpenGL under Windows, and that is one of the primary reasons that we are using Windows in our newer machines, as opposed to using VRTX, like our older machines. VRTX does not have the OpenGL support, but it is hard real time, and is certified for use in military aircraft. If Be OS were as stable and certifiable as VRTX, I believe it could be a very good contender in the high-end embedded machine space.

  10. georges Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 01/14/2001 10:23:30 PM

    Re: FYI - other comments

    Thank you for that constructive comment.
    You put it so eloquently too…

    I’m impressed.

  11. georges Says:

    In Response To Landar @ 01/15/2001 00:38:37 AM

    Re: Hang in there

    I’m sure the Be guys believe this, but JLG did say that he really hoped the DOJ kicked MS’s ass. If this happens I’m sure we’d see Be pitching BeOS the the OEMs really quickly.

    At least that’s the impression I got.

    They’ve been waiting for people to come for 10 years. They need to make money. BeIA is where they turned. Let them make cash. It can only benefit BeOS.

  12. Olathe Says:

    BeOS’s status

    I am optimistic about the status of BeOS as a viable alternative OS, rather than just a development platform for BeIA.

    Let’s assume the worst. If BeOS is merely considered a development platform by Be, they will include improvements in BeOS for a simple reason :

    • Developers are going to want to test their work without having to transfer it to a BeIA machine every time.

    Here’s why I assume the best. First, JLG keeps saying he is sorry for creating the image that he was dropping BeOS or its users. Why would he do this ? Second, I don’t think that they’re going to stop with the technology they have now. They’re obviously going to keep innovating in order to stay ahead of their competitors. This is made easier by continually improving BeOS, because :

    • BeOS provides a stable, familiar test bed for new ideas and improved old ideas.

    • BeIA is based on the technologies that were developed for BeOS…why stop the trend ?

    • BeOS provides a compatible system. Be’s software designs are highly modular and, I would guess, highly portable from BeOS to BeIA (if not, I’m sure BeOS or BeIA could be changed slightly to better accomodate the migration).

    • BeOS provides a large supply of beta testers and end users who will report problems or suggestions — _MUCH_ more easily than getting the same response with BeIA devices.

    • BeOS provides rabid supporters who spread the word about BeOS, petition for it, and develop for it.

    Just a few thoughts.

  13. Deej Says:

    In Response To Martin Caron @ 01/14/2001 11:22:53 PM

    Re: Be-p Be-p, roadrunner!!

    Just to point out one thing… Be, Inc. engineers do have the “blessing” to help out on BeUnited… there’s 12 of them that have volunteered and can answer Dev support questions for BeUnited members, without members having pay the “partner” fees to get answers. This in itself was quite a step for letting the engineers help in any way they can. Just to give them some credit where it is due. :)

  14. Buck Says:

    Future

    I think that one day as the software and driver selection grows an average user may realize he has everything he needs for stable and productive work. There are quite few development tools though, and that’s no good. Anyway, supporting BeOS is the best thing, it’s really the most wonderful and ‘human-oriented’ OS in the world. Nothing like this. Ever. I love it.

  15. Anonymous Chicken Says:

    In Response To Nimdok @ 01/14/2001 10:40:30 PM

    Re: part 2

    “When will BONE, OpenGL, Opera update, media kit update (new rumor :) be released and in what manner?”

    I have on good authority that these things _will_ be released and it won’t be long (as in, sometime this year :) . But hey, I’m anonymous, so what do I know??

  16. houttbe Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/14/2001 9:32:06 PM

    BeOS

    JLG plays this VERY close to his chest. It would be good to know at least on what subjects they are working beyond BONE and OpenGL. There are now rumors about the mediakit (which does not correctly play back rendered DV!). What else is under way?

  17. houttbe Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/14/2001 9:32:06 PM

    BeOS

    JLG plays this VERY close to his chest. It would be good to know at least on what subjects they are working beyond BONE and OpenGL. There are now rumors about the mediakit (which does not correctly play back rendered DV!). What else is under way?

  18. David Aquilina Says:

    Some questions on JLG’s daily usage

    Got a few questions on JLG’s daily computer usage. Do you even use one? ;-) What OS do you use the most, what OSes do you also use, favorite software, assuming its the BeOS do you use a publically available version, very latest bleeding edge internal version, all of the above? . Phew :)

    My nipples explode with delight in anticipation :)

  19. Anonymous Chicken Says:

    Man..

    Someone must have JLG on a tight leesh or something.. He didn’t even mention his nipples personally and almost seemed to be embarrassed by the question. Maybe the medium here just isn’t showing how he truely answered the question (like tone of voice or whatever), but still.. Seems like they have someone that’s very concerned about public image now (at least for him).

  20. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous Chicken @ 01/15/2001 03:19:07 AM

    Re: Man..

    he actually seemed to get the question about his nipples well… if i had to give a tone to the whole thing, i would state it’s positive. There is a LOT of reading between the lines required, but there is a lot of good in that second half… if you are willing to see it.

  21. moooooooo Says:

    2 questions

    firstly once the next release of BeOS comes out (with the BONE and Open GL rewrite) which kicks arse and sells really well and gets rave reviews…..what will JLG do with the direction of Be Inc then ?

    secondly….wireless networks are gaining popularity globally…what’s Be Inc’s position on supporting some of the more common wireless network cards?
    cheers
    peter

  22. DaaT Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/15/2001 04:20:42 AM

    Re: Man..

    I have to agree with you Nutcase (not that i’m being forced or would rather have it the other way of course). You can read a lot in between the lines in this part deux.

    Take care,
    DaaT

  23. MoerBoer Says:

    In Response To moooooooo @ 01/15/2001 05:20:41 AM

    Re: 2 questions

    I think that would be great, for I have internet connection at home via a wireless network. But unfortunatly it only works in ‘doze :(

  24. mlk Says:

    Hello.

    A nummber of SAD questions, but hey, I cant help it if Nutcase & scare do a great interview, dam you both, I wanted to ask some questions :)
    Whats yr fav. BeOS app?
    If the IA field falls apeart, what will happen to Be Inc, and BeOS? I belive you only have the cash for a little while longer (some time Q2 it runs out, no?). Will you let BeOS die, or will you find some way to keep it alive? (OpenSource, sell it to someone (like say GoBe), and if it’s ’sell it’, how much?
    Nutcase/scare, how about attacking each of the other BeOS employees into giving an interview, thats an extra 50ish days of news :) and it’ll be intresting to hear from some of the sections you normally hear nothing from (like marketing :) )
    If you could start one rummor about BeOS what would it be? ;)
    BeOS is not perfect by anymeans, but with release of ogl & bone it’ll be getting there. What would you like to work on next? More drivers?
    Do you have any unsported hardware? :)
    What would be your Tracker App? (or too put it anouther way, what app would you like to see on BeOS?)
    whats the user name / password combo for ftp.be.com and where is bone/ogl beta?

    mlk

  25. Rapture In Venice Says:

    Question for Jean-Louis

    One year after the focus shift to BeIA, and with all resources aimed directly at it, one finds it curious that OpenGL development is still going on.

    Now, I *love* the fact that this is going to go, but I wonder if OpenGL will find a use in BeIA or is this one of the few BeOS-only projects going on right now?

  26. Chris Herborth Says:

    In Response To Rapture In Venice @ 01/15/2001 09:10:38 AM

    Re: Question for Jean-Louis

    It’s certainly possible; ATI and nVidia are both releasing capable 3D chipsets for low-cost/low-powered devices. On the other hand, nVidia won’t talk to anyone, so that leaves ATI’s mobile Radeon core.

    A BeIA device with nice hardware OpenGL (courtesy of ATI) would be a very, very nice gaming platform.

    - chrish

  27. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/15/2001 04:20:42 AM

    Re: Man..

    “Theres a lot if good…between the lines.”

    Thats crap. Theres is equal bad between the lines “if you are willing to look”. Hell, theres crap if you don’t read between the lines

  28. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 01/14/2001 10:37:06 PM

    Well there is not just two answers

    A third one would be:

    “We will continue to develop BeOS as our development platform for BeIA.”

    Which is exactly what he said! Again!

  29. TSW Says:

    Take your pick of these questions…

    1. Are you currently working on any BeIA/BeOS devices that support DVD?

    2. A few technologies exist on BeIA that are not yet on BeOS. Which of these do you feel comfortable in saying will eventually make it to BeOS? The ones I know of are: wireless ethernet, Sony memory stick, Ricochet wireless modem, Opera 4, Java, touch-screen, Gemplus smart card reader technology (e.g. what American Express Blue requires). And any others you’d like to throw in to the mix. :-)

    3. Do you know what happened with that whole enVivid mess? Emily from enVivid was pretty active on the BeNews forums, hyping up their webpads, their cool designs, answering questions, etc. Then The Register did an expose on them, Emily finally came on and said it’d be straightened out soon, they erased their website and said they’d announce something during Comdex (those dates, at least), and then NOTHING ever since. (Website is gone.) Be never said anything at the time. Just curious as to what the hell was up with them… were they legit?

    4. Out of all your competitors in the IA space (chiefly WinCE, QNX, and Linux), which of those do you fear the most, and why? (Emitting the obvious answer of “Microsoft, because they’re a behemoth!” :-)

    5. Approximately how many appliances/devices running BeIA are in the works, but have not yet been announced? The ones I consider as announced: Qubit Orbit/Atom, Compaq iPaq, Sony eVilla, MusicRepublic’s device, FIC’s device.

    6. Is the Intel webpad running BeIA, and if not, why not? (Seems weird for them to invest in Be, and then not use their awesome OS!)

    7. Qubit’s next generation webtablet was shown at CES running WinCE. Do you have any reason to believe they will not be running BeIA when that tablet is actually released?

    I also left out some more questions because I know that you cannot answer them, due to SEC restrictions or because they would give away too much strategically. (After all, I AM a shareholder! :-)

    Thanks!

    -tsw

  30. DaaT Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 01/15/2001 07:52:49 AM

    Re: Hello.

    Mlk…
    Sorry to say this, but i really thought almost all of your questions weren’t that good… the LAST one though, insightful, and quite necessary IMO :) )

    hehehe, i bet that’s something we all wanted to know :)

    As to your other questions, i was kidding of course in the beginning :)

    Take care,
    DaaT

  31. DaaT Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 01/15/2001 07:52:49 AM

    Re: Hello.

    Mlk…
    Sorry to say this, but i really thought almost all of your questions weren’t that good… the LAST one though, insightful, and quite necessary IMO :) )

    hehehe, i bet that’s something we all wanted to know :)

    As to your other questions, i was kidding of course in the beginning :)

    Take care,
    DaaT

  32. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 01/15/2001 09:50:47 AM

    Re: Man..

    Well, i can’t tell you what to think. Anyone who has a preconcieved notion coming into this will obviously see it how they want. Thats the problem with vagueness. But if you have a basic understanding of english, and read CAREFULLY you can see what is trying to be said. But say what you will… i will be waiting to say “I told ya so”

  33. Olathe Says:

    In Response To moooooooo @ 01/15/2001 05:20:41 AM

    Wireless networking !

    I refuse to use Windows. Wireless networking support would be great on my laptop…I wouldn’t be chained to this desk.

  34. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Jim Duggan @ 01/15/2001 12:45:35 AM

    Re: Sheesh…

    Why can’t he be open and just say, yes we will support BeOS, or no we wont, instead of giving up crap about being CEO and stock prices and stuff

    Um… the stock prices thing was a completely seperate question, and based on the question was phrased, it is unfortunately the only legitimate, responsible, and legal answer he could give.

    As far as why he can’t just be open, remember when the interview was conducted. Before the Sony announcement. Basically, Be has to keep Sony happy at all costs. So as the CEO of Be, JLG CAN’T say that they are working on BeOS, because Sony and investors would be scared off and/or pissed that they are “wasting” time on it.

    Thats why i told him what I did about what I would say as CEO. Because if you understand anything about business, it’s the only responsible thing.

    The key to that paragraph is that I gave him two choices… one for yes, one for no. His response basically comes down to “we have said the one for yes. sorry everyone is upset, but we will make up for it with action”

    Take a few days and reread the whole thing. What you will see is JLG apologizing profusely for the enmity they created, and repeatedly stating that their actions will make up for it.

    Note that when i finally accepted his “no answer” policy and stated that it was disappointing, he drew me back to the question for the final bit, so that he could give as clear a hint as they can. Much clearer than any before, imho.

    Basically, Belief shades everything. If you think BeOS is dead, there is nothing anyone can do to change that in this situation. But this does not support your theory. But if you arent sure, or you believe it’s in hibernation, then this is a pretty big hint that its waking up.

  35. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Jim Duggan @ 01/15/2001 12:45:35 AM

    Re: Sheesh…

    1. He’s the CEO of a public company. The SEC controls some of what he says, the rest is controlled by him so as not to alarm or piss of the shareholders. End of story.

    2. Are you sure you know what JLG meant by “busy”? He is French, and there is more than just one meaning of the word, so it’s not clear what he meant, or if he was joking around, etc.

    3. No, it doesn’t seem like they are ‘ashamed’ of BeOS. It seems like they know BeIA will make them money, and the majority of shareholders want Be to focus on that which will make them money. It’s impossible to try and figure out the direction or feelings of BeOS because Be is keeping it close to the vest — they have to. Read the “Co-development Conundrum” on be.com if you still don’t get this.

  36. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To moooooooo @ 01/15/2001 05:20:41 AM

    Re: 2 questions

    He actually mentioned one card specifically in the interview.. the 802.11 i believe. He talked about support for it in BeIA. Based on the trickle down theory, it wouldnt be unlikely to see a driver in BeOS for it.

  37. Nimdok Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/15/2001 1:08:49 PM

    Re: Sheesh…

    “as the CEO of Be, JLG CAN’T say that they are working on BeOS, because Sony and investors would be scared off and/or pissed that they are “wasting” time on it.”

    That is fucking ridiculous and you know it.

  38. Craig Mitchell Says:

    Question For JLG

    What are your thoughts on media on the web as far as Quicktime, Windows Media Player, Real, etc…. as far as web sites deploying video that can only be streamed with that particular player.

    Example: I can not watch video from a web site that streams with MS Media Player since I do not have it.

    “What good is a web pad if you can not access everything on the net” I can hear consumers say to themselves when choosing a system.

    Do you think this issue will become more prevelant as the “major” players try to consolidate and leverage thier players for market share? Dealing drectly with web sites to encourage the use only thier media players and how will various companies deal with this?

    Any effort to port Quicktime to BeIA? Is that even a concern?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–

    Personally, I got a lot of good news out the interview. (I’m a stcokholder too) It was a bit vague, but I think it is there if you look for it.

    It is funnny, I just finished reading in the interview in the BEOS bible and there are hints about BeIA and the shift in focus long before it happened.

    best,

    Craig

  39. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Nimdok @ 01/15/2001 1:32:11 PM

    The right idea, the wrong group

    Nutcase is on the right track. It’s not Sony that would be pissed, though, it’s the general shareholders and investors that would rather Be focus on a platform that can generate a lot of revenue, quickly, compared to BeOS, where the revenue might never show up, and if it did, it would be waaaaaaay down the road.

    Investors are funny that way.

  40. Vincent Says:

    In Response To houttbe @ 01/15/2001 03:08:58 AM

    Re: BeOS

    I agree!! It would BE nice to know if Be is going to release a R6 with support for other stuff than OpenGL and BONE.

  41. georges Says:

    In Response To David Aquilina @ 01/15/2001 03:12:48 AM

    Re: Some questions on JLG’s daily usage

    Good question!

  42. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/15/2001 1:10:30 PM

    Re: 2 questions

    802.11 is not a card. It is a protocol standard.
    They’d have to develop for the chips in question which all support 802.11.
    It would be nice to see it happen though! BONE maybe? I mean, look at all the NIC drivers we gto with the 5.0.3 update.

  43. Stephen van Egmond Says:

    In Response To TSW @ 01/15/2001 10:13:26 AM

    Re: Take your pick of these questions…

    Many of your statements about what’s in the future, what’s unannounced. They’re called forward-looking statements, and are tightly controlled by the SEC and their partners.

  44. Big Al Says:

    In Response To Craig Mitchell @ 01/15/2001 1:50:31 PM

    Re: Question For JLG

    FYI BeOS (and presumably BeIA) already have Quicktime. They’ve had it from the start, I believe.

    Probably what you’re looking for is the Sorenson codec, which has not been ported and probably won’t be. Apple’s keeping that one pretty close to their chests.

  45. Stephen van Egmond Says:

    One question: BeDCs

    What happened to Be Developer Conferences? When’s the next one, if ever?

  46. Stephen van Egmond Says:

    Another question: Third party software

    Be frequently made allusion to “excellent” third-party software opportunities on the BeOS in various forums. What are the excellent third-party opportunities? What kinds of software are you hoping to see emerge from the DNA soup that is the Be developer community?

  47. Stephen van Egmond Says:

    Another question: Developing for IAs

    IAs are frequently very individual device: Sony’s is quite different from Qubit’s is quite different from whatever else will come down the line. Can you provide pointers for us developers to create products or services for people that own these instances of BeIA? Beyond the obvious “Ask Sony” or “Ask Qubit”?

  48. Nimdok Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/15/2001 1:08:49 PM

    Re: Sheesh…

    “as the CEO of Be, JLG CAN’T say that they are working on BeOS, because Sony and investors would be scared off and/or pissed that they are “wasting” time on it.”

    That is fucking ridiculous and you know it.

  49. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Stephen van Egmond @ 01/15/2001 2:08:46 PM

    Uhhh, no.

    You’re allowed to make forward-looking statements, you simply have to include the standard legalese telling people they are forward-looking statements.

  50. Nimdok Says:

    In Response To IAmWhoIHam @ 01/15/2001 2:03:14 PM

    Re: The right idea, the wrong group

    I agree that many investors want Be to focus on BeIA, but as an investor I think I’d be far more concerned that Be was lying about their work on BeOS.

    Sorry for the harsh comment, but if work is being done on R6 it should be said, and if it’s being dropped it should be said. I think it is clear that no one knows the future of R6 at this point, otherwise JLG would have said something about it in this interview.

  51. wobegon Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 01/15/2001 2:12:36 PM

    Re: Question For JLG

    yeah, Apple won’t share the sorrenson codec, and that’s why Apple is having such a hard time winning the war for streaming media format.If Apple ported sorrenson to every OS available Quicktime would dominate.instead it’s a three way race between, Windows media player, Real and last but not least quicktime.

  52. Ash Argent-Katwala Says:

    In Response To Jim Duggan @ 01/15/2001 12:45:35 AM

    Re: Sheesh…

    He only said:
    “I don’t read it every day but my colleagues
    often suggest I look up a particularly…
    groovy item. I like the design, clean and
    useable, I’m not crazy about some of the
    “busy” sites. Needless to say the content is
    serious fun.”

    Which to me is talking more about busy (design-wise) sites generally on the web, not BeOS news sites. There’s an awful lot of nasty, ugly, standards-unfriendly stuff out there that’s terribly busy - it just isn’t true of BeNews or BeGroovy.

  53. Jeff Says:

    Be

    JLG mention about the DOJ microsoft thing.As long as
    there is no major brand support for the OS,and microsoft
    has os control,no os will ever see enough exposure to reach a greater share of the market
    beyond geekdom,no matter how cool or free. bottom line is
    microsoft wins its case no BEOS,Microsoft looses,
    maybe-??

  54. Craig Mitchell Says:

    In Response To wobegon @ 01/15/2001 3:00:39 PM

    Re: Question For JLG

    If Apple ported sorrenson to every OS available Quicktime would dominate.instead it’s a three way race between, Windows media player, Real and last but not least quicktime.

    This was my point. ;) Glad you guys agree.This does the raise the question as to why they are holding back.

    best,

    Craig

  55. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Nimdok @ 01/15/2001 2:50:04 PM

    Lying?

    Who said they are lying? All I meant is that Be does not want to give the impression to the investors that they are focusing on BeOS. Likewise, Be has not totally given up BeOS.

    So the happy medium is that they continue to work on BeOS as the development platform for BeIA.

    I don’t think it can get any clearer than that! It’s a happy medium between the two opposites. I guess people like you won’t be happy until Be either completely focuses on BeOS or completely drops it. I, on the other hand, will take what I can get!

    Sheesh!

  56. Gawd Says:

    A question I Have to ask

    How does one develop the talent to respond to all questions with a non-answer?

    I’m coming up for trial in six weeks so any advise you could give would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

  57. Mikko Mäkelä Says:

    Does Be see a future for “all-around appliance”?

    I see that there is huge market for anyone making the first “all-around appliance” right. I saw that Be had great chance to conquere the market a couple of years ago, but sadly some important pieces were missing (and still are).Now there are many challengers: Microsoft and Sony will be big players soon here also, Nokia’s multimedia terminal is one of the first which clearly aims to this market with OS approach etc.

    However, I still see, that BeOS, or better, BeIA could have advantage over the competition here. And I would not be surprised, if Be is planning such a device. I however wonder, if they understand how much third parties could help them with right approach.

    Let’s take an example: one big question for developers who would be willing to try to make software for BeIA is: what is missing? I do see the advantages of being tigthlipped about what you have waiting for release in the closet, but it makes planning for third parties quite impossible. I mean, I could take the risk that someone else is working on the same stuff I would be, but not, if that someone is Be Inc!

    Best,
    Mikko Mäkelä
    Program Coordinator
    www.hiit.fi/fuego
    but speaking only for myself here of course…

  58. Feylen Says:

    Map and Me

    I am a LAN support technician at the Univerity of Kansas, and I have heard alot about MAP that concerns me. Mostly because it has been used as a buzz word and not fully explained yet. Let’s say that I want to move my team to a BeIA only environment (this is hypothetical). Would MAP be availible for me to control the units under my direction? Could I block MAP from an external source? If I did allow MAP to control my stations, what security risks do I put my secure data in? If someone hacks tha MAP “server” - can they get to my box? Can MAP fix the problems I’m having with streaming porn? (okay, you don’t have to answer that one)
    Basically, I have these questions not only for the work environment, but the home LAN’s that are emerging. MAP seems like it could have the potential to be a huge security problem for people who don’t know how to deal with it.
    Aside from the question of “can it be turned off?” goes the similar question of “To get a BeIA device, do I HAVE to subscribe to this service?”. This is what M$ is trying to do with there embedded systems. This makes them less appealing to me, and I want to know if that is what is planned with BeIA devices.

  59. Thomas Simpson Says:

    In Response To IAmWhoIHam @ 01/15/2001 4:42:31 PM

    If you can’t beat ‘em . . .

    Hmmm. I’m not sure what to think. I would like to believe what I read between the lines is not an act of desperation.

    *IF* Be were dumping BeOS . . . what would the benefit be in dragging it out?

    I tire of seeing “shareholders” blamed on shit, then see messages posted that want what WE ALL want say ‘and i’m a shareholder’.

    Someone start a .org that lets us BeOS users BUY shares (like sharebuilder) but UNDER ONE NAME. I’d throw in my whopping 50 shares;) If enough of us put some money in it WE WOULD HAVE A *REAL* VOICE! We could vote on issues thru secure e-mail. I just hope R6 comes out soon.

  60. Kristan Slack Says:

    Hehe.. poor Jean Calmon

    “JLG: I’ll ask my old friend Jean Calmon what he meant. ”

    uhoh :) looks like his old friend might have some explaining to do.

    Great interview. and some positive news. Thanks JLG and BeGroovy

    regards,

    Wolfie (aka Kristan Slack)

  61. Developer Says:

    In Response To Olathe @ 01/15/2001 01:55:31 AM

    Re: BeOS’s status

    >BeOS provides a large supply of beta testers and
    >end users who will report problems or suggestions
    >– _MUCH_ more easily than getting the same
    >response with BeIA devices.

    Well, that’s exactly the point, but it’s a point against BeOS’s long-term prospects instead of for.

    Be is developing BeIA, and they’re developing new technology. By continually dangling carrots like hardware GL and BONE and whatever else in front of their “BeOS” beta-testers, they get a loyal, dedicated, and free testing base–something which otherwise would be difficult and relatively expensive to manage.

    Sure, everyone’s said for the last year-plus that “hardware Open GL is no small project” and “writing a solid networking stack is no small project”, but there’s a point where these “arguments” become hollow. Be may have relatively few engineers working away, but look at some of the incredible work done sometimes by _one person_ in free time over that same amount of time.

    Of course maybe I’m wrong. Or maybe Be could release BONE and GL and whatever else for BeOS if they wanted to, but…

    …why would they want to? Actually ever release them for BeOS, that is.

  62. Thomas Says:

    In Response To Gawd @ 01/15/2001 5:30:23 PM

    Re: A question I Have to ask

    Amen brother. This guy might as well have said the Be community can go jump into a pile of crap. It’s not hard to decipher his message. There’s not a lot of support for BeOS coming from Be.

  63. BeOS Says:

    In Response To Gawd @ 01/15/2001 5:30:23 PM

    Good point

    He appears to be beating around the bush an awful lot.

  64. Francis Says:

    Possible Question

    I know BeGroovy will probably not pick “wish list” items, but since asking about BONE, OpenGL, Opera, etc. has already come up, (and since nobody’s mentioned it yet) -

    Can we expect any improvements in PRINTER SUPPORT for BeOS? I don’t remember much of the details of the recent news item that mentioned that BeIA will be supporting a new handful of HP printers - but it sure made me wonder if there will ever be an effort to improve matters in BeOS. I realize that often the cooperation from the printer mfg.’s isn’t possible.

    Having a reasonable expectation that a common printer might be supported seems pretty crucial - a printer, IMHO, is as important as video, mouse, and keyboard support. I am surprised by how many people on the newsgroups seem to have trouble finding a printer that will work! And those that have supported printers are often disappointed by the print quality the drivers can produce. Maybe newsgroups can’t give an accurate view of the extent that this is a problem, but if anyone thinks this is a general and glaring problem, I’d like to see your opinion here!

    Printer support may not seem like the most urgent issue with BeOS, but if this is really a problem I can see how it would affect anyone’s impression of the OS as a whole. It’s one thing not to have a lot of devices like MIDI interfaces and audio cards supported, there are a multitude of reasons why these can’t magically appear out of thin air, but printing to me is as fundamental as having a monitor!

    It’s my pet peeve because I have an HP LaserJet III, which should be supported, which I can’t get to work. On newsgroups I’ve heard other people say they have problems with this same printer - one of the most common and ubiqitous printers you can name. I may have another system problem causing this, but I’ve yet to find it - every else seems to be hunky dory.

  65. Galley Says:

    In Response To Kristan Slack @ 01/15/2001 6:32:34 PM

    Re: JLG interview part II

    As a shareholder, I want BeIA to succeed, and they definitely have a chance to become THE dominant OS for Interent appliances. Windows CE just isn’t cutting it, although it is making headway in the handheld market. Gaining market share in a new market is obviously easier than trying to gain share against a monopolistic bully like Microsoft in the desktop market. I have demonstrated BeOS to well over 30 people and all were impressed, and some have even become users. I spend 98% of my time in Be, and hope to be able to “cut the cord” soon.
    Be needs to release R6 with:
    Opera 4 (or 5) with support for Java, Javascript 1.3 and Flash; BONE (with support for USB modems);
    OpenGL, along with other tweaks and improvements,
    with a decent marketing compaign/strategy with Gobe (simultaneously with the release of Gobe Productive 3.0).
    If the DOJ declares that Microsoft can no longer stop the sale of dual-boot machines, and BeOS 6 PE could come pre-installed on machines from major vendors, they may have a shot. Microsoft continues to making the same mistakes, and hopefully Be Inc.will continue to do it “right”.
    My question to our “Fearless Leader” would be: “What does Be Inc. and/or Gobe Inc. plan to do in marketing BeOS as a viable alternative to Windows”?

  66. Galley Says:

    In Response To Francis @ 01/15/2001 7:57:11 PM

    Re: Possible Question (printer support)

    I have an Epson 740, which works quite well, but image quality is still nowhere near as good as it could be. Hopefully the recent deals with Epson and HP will bring better support to the desktop.

  67. Mike Crosland Says:

    In Response To Galley @ 01/15/2001 8:20:36 PM

    Re: a viable alternative to Windows?

    To be honest, I’d rather see BeOS as being the viable alternative to Linux/Unix, which have been identified by Steve ‘The Blob’ Ballmer as the main threat to MS in 2001. I’d like to ask JLG if he thinks BeOS has the potential to knock the penguin off its perch someday?

  68. Deej Says:

    In Response To TSW @ 01/15/2001 10:13:26 AM

    Re: Take your pick of these questions…

    The tablet showing CE was due to the fact that the hardware had just arrived (pre-installed) to us… with no lead time to change it. :)

  69. Anon Says:

    In Response To Developer @ 01/15/2001 6:56:59 PM

    Re: BeOS’s status

    >they get a loyal, dedicated, and free testing
    base–something which otherwise would be difficult and relatively expensive to manage.

    Why bother? BeIA has its own testers, completly independent of BeOS testers.

    >but there’s a point where these “arguments” become hollow.

    Don’t tell me, it co-incides with the point of impatience you’ve reached.

    >Be may have
    relatively few engineers working away, but look at some of the incredible work done sometimes by _one person_
    in free time over that same amount of time.

    I’m glad you’re not my boss

    >Of course maybe I’m wrong

    no shit!

  70. Anon Says:

    In Response To Nimdok @ 01/15/2001 2:50:04 PM

    Re: Work on R6

    Be have long said that R6 will happen. A cursory glance at http://bebugs.be.com will show that media, networking and open GL are deeply into the development cycle. When will you accept that yes means yes? If you really want to get into the murky future, try asking if R7 is ever going to happen.

  71. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To Ash Argent-Katwala @ 01/15/2001 3:24:07 PM

    Re: Sheesh…

    That’s exactly the way I read it too. There was no indication that JLG was singling out any BeOS sites. It was more of the layout and design type of busy, and he is very correct in that statement :)

  72. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Thomas Simpson @ 01/15/2001 6:31:13 PM

    Sorry, that won’t work

    There is a minority of shares of BEOS public. No voting power. Besides, why would I vote for Be to work on BeOS when BeIA is where the real market growth and money is at? As an investor, BeOS is not where it’s at right now. If Microsoft’s position weakens in the future, and Be’s is strengthened, then let’s talk about BeOS.

    In the meantime, updates will slowly trickle out I suspect.

  73. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 01/15/2001 2:12:36 PM

    Re: Question For JLG

    That is Apple’s short sightedness once again. The Quicktime format is superior IMHO to media player and real player format. Unfortunately, it is fragmented between “standard” and “sorenson”, which sluffs them to the back as only Apple products have sorenson. Since Apple has such a small market share in products, Quicktime gets relegated to the back. Especially with IAs and web appliances coming out. Quicktime may not even be supported in some of these devices. Ah well…

  74. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Mikko Mäkelä @ 01/15/2001 5:56:35 PM

    If you think you have something to offer BeIA…

    …then talk to Be. They are a small company, they are using that to their advantage right now.

    “Walk softly and carry a big stick.”
    –Teddy Roosevelt

  75. LeftTurn Says:

    D*mn you Nutcase and Scar!

    D*mn you Nutcase and Scar! My mind is going a mile a minute churning over your interview :)

    Reading between the lines, things look positive.

    A couple of questions I feel are good ones to ask is #1 what relationship with the wireless world will there be with BeIA and BeOS?

    #2 What threat does embedded Linux pose to BeIA’s strategy, if any?

    #3 Will BeIA devices all be something you have to buy the service for, or will there be standalone BeIA devices that can interface just with a users home equipment?

    Anything BeOS related that can be answered would be greatly appreciated as well :)

  76. Marilyn Says:

    Gender Specific Enhancements

    Since using BeOS I’ve noted that my left breast is becoming larger. Some of that guys at work told that this is because it’s nearest to my heart. Be Inc. hasn’t caused a lot of excitment lately so I don’t think this is the case.

    I don’t want to point any fingers but I feel that you are somehow responsible for this.

    Will R6 remedy the predictment you’ve placed me in. I would like to walk normally again before I’m thirty. Can you please help me ????

  77. Nimdok Says:

    In Response To Anon @ 01/15/2001 10:22:54 PM

    Re: Work on R6

    OK dude, I’ll accept that yes means yes when you show me a SINGLE link from Be that states ANYTHING about R6.

    I wonder, did you even read the interview?

  78. Jacques Cashette Says:

    In Response To Jim Duggan @ 01/15/2001 12:45:35 AM

    Dem Francophones

    “… Next time, do an interview with Sakoman. Maybe then we will get some straight answers.

    You know of course d’at the French mind does not work like d’at of de bastard h’English.

  79. Jacques Cashette Says:

    In Response To Jim Duggan @ 01/15/2001 12:45:35 AM

    Dem Francophones

    “… Next time, do an interview with Sakoman. Maybe then we will get some straight answers.

    You know of course d’at the French mind does not work like d’at of de bastard h’English.

  80. georges Says:

    In Response To Chris Herborth @ 01/15/2001 09:24:04 AM

    Re: Question for Jean-Louis

    that would make for a mighty expensive piece o’ IA.

  81. georges Says:

    In Response To Mikko Mäkelä @ 01/15/2001 5:56:35 PM

    Re: Does Be see a future for

    “Now there are many challengers: Microsoft and Sony will be big players soon here also, Nokia’s multimedia terminal is one of the first which clearly aims to this market with OS approach etc.

    Sony is already in Be’s court.

  82. georges Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 01/15/2001 10:47:29 PM

    Re: D*mn you Nutcase and Scar!

    I second these questions.

  83. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 01/16/2001 07:44:10 AM

    Re: A quick question

    Any suggestions what comments to begin with? I wont mod down comments that are not supporting beos simply for the sake of it, but if there are comments that warrant it, then i will mod. I only see one… the second comment posted. And i chose to ignore it because i doubt it’s poster would see my reply with his head so far up his ass. (is this flamebait? should i mod myself down?)

  84. David Bruce Says:

    In Response To basstoon @ 01/16/2001 11:52:22 AM

    Re: What about Sony?

    In my post above, I used Dell as a totally hypothetical example of a company that might get Be focused a little more on BeOS after the DOJ reins in Microsoft, but I hadn’t thought about Sony PCs. If Sony’s eVilla is a big hit, maybe they would be interested in parlaying that into a way to expand their PC business by featuring BeOS. I don’t know how likely that would be, but it is worth hoping for.

  85. DJMaytag Says:

    Pentium 4 support?????

    Will we see support for Pentium 4 CPU’s and their associated mobo’s/chipsets BEFORE R6 or will we see it in an update of R5? (ie R5.1, R5.5, etc)

  86. DJMaytag Says:

    In Response To DJMaytag @ 01/16/2001 00:23:39 AM

    Re: Pentium 4 support?????

    oops… I meant will we have to wait until R6 (whenever that is) or will it be in an R5 update?

    (trying to phrase the question in a way that would be hard to answer it vaguely resulted in asking the same question twice…)

  87. houttbe Says:

    In Response To Galley @ 01/15/2001 8:23:28 PM

    Re: Possible Question (printer support)

    Plus, printing is sooo slooow as compared to Windows.

  88. Earl Chester Says:

    In Response To DJMaytag @ 01/16/2001 00:23:39 AM

    Re: Pentium 4 support?????

    I believe it’s slated for R7.5

  89. BehOSer Says:

    I’m pissed.

    Just thought you might like to know.

  90. L-Joe Says:

    BEIA/PDA Hybrid

    What is the feasability of a BEIA based PDA device? Is there any interest or a market for an IA/PDA to compete with PalmOS/WINCE devices?

  91. eTosser Says:

    A quick question

    Will BeOS fix the ecomony
    Will BeOS stops wars
    Will BeOS end illiteracy
    Will BeOS end poverty
    Will BeOS end political unrest
    Will BeOS give me an extra 2 miles per gallon

    I have so many questions and no time for answers.

  92. Male Order Bride Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 01/15/2001 07:52:49 AM

    Hey Man

    If JLG can’t answer a simply question how the hell do you expect to get answers from staffers??

  93. Male Order Bride Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 01/15/2001 07:52:49 AM

    Hey Man

    If JLG can’t answer a simply question how the hell do you expect to get answers from staffers??

  94. Parhau Cabminder Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 01/15/2001 07:52:49 AM

    Do you have any unsported hardware???

    Do we have an unsupported OS????

  95. Parhau Cabminder Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 01/15/2001 07:52:49 AM

    Do you have any unsported hardware???

    Do we have an unsupported OS????

  96. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To Jonathan Thompson @ 01/15/2001 00:54:52 AM

    Re: Be-p Be-p, roadrunner!!

    Why haven’t I had problems with app_server? I run BeOS all the time.

  97. wobegon Says:

    In Response To eTosser @ 01/16/2001 01:03:41 AM

    Re: A quick question

    Yes BeOS can solve all those problems.

    The economy is in sad shape because investors use for the most part “Windows” which is buggy and prone to crashing, so think of all the time saved if everyone used BeOS which is not prone to crash.BeOS will improve the economy.

    BeOS will stop wars because, The actuall use of BeOS causes happiness.Think of all the happy people using BeOS Far too happy to fight.

    BeOS, is so user friendly even totaly illiterate people may install and enjoy it,The free version of BeOS is a great savings for students as well.

    When the foundation for future success is laid out for BeOS, We will all be rich beyond our wildest dreams writting BeOS software, BeOS will end world poverty.

    BeOS, and it’s smooth networking abilities, thanks to BONE, will help aid communication, think of everyone with BeIA enabled devices talking to one another, solving problems, listening to one another, yes, BeOS and BeIA will help here too.Political unrest will be a thing of the past.

    BeIA, powering your car, will help save fuel for you, it will probably give you directions to your destination, and save time too.have a happy journey with BeOS/BeIA.So yes BeOS will give you an extra 2 miles per gallon, maybe more.

    I have all the answers,because I use BeOS,thanks for asking : )

  98. wobegon Says:

    In Response To BehOSer @ 01/16/2001 00:56:41 AM

    Re: I’m pissed.

    Those that are upset calm down.
    There’s no need to be, you should be quite happy in fact.
    Do what Nutcase suggests and read between the lines.
    everything JLG said was probably the greatest news BeOS could ever have gotten.
    This is truly a great moment in BeOS history.

    Remember what Lee Williams ( director of product development and delivery ) said in the Bmessage Vol 1 #15 Dec 6th

    ” We are interacting with all levels of companies and processes that are engaged in product development in this space. For the first time in our history as a company, the
    response to our contribution is material and in some cases overwhelming.
    This is why you have seen a different face on Be. Our co-development partners guide our ability to disclose information. The licensing options are one of many in a cauldron of choices that span industries. ”

    we are winning stay loyal and patient all our dreams will come true.

  99. wobegon Says:

    In Response To Marilyn @ 01/15/2001 10:55:08 PM

    Re: Gender Specific Enhancements

    Since using BeOS my nipples are harder.But i really don’t want a remedy for this as it scores points with the Ladies. : )

  100. Icarii Says:

    In Response To Anon @ 01/15/2001 10:14:41 PM

    Re: BeOS’s status

    Hmm.. sounds almost like a Be employee responding here… or is it perhaps a certain BeNews lady? :)

  101. icarii Says:

    In Response To wobegon @ 01/16/2001 03:17:06 AM

    Re: A quick question

    Freak!!! Heh, very creative though…

  102. dave_sn Says:

    In Response To IAmWhoIHam @ 01/15/2001 09:52:01 AM

    Re: Well there is not just two answers

    I think he said: THINK WHATEVER YOU WANT

  103. mlk Says:

    In Response To Stephen van Egmond @ 01/15/2001 2:14:17 PM

    Re: One question: BeDCs

    here here…
    And Geek Tea Partys.

    mlk

  104. mlk Says:

    In Response To Feylen @ 01/15/2001 5:57:29 PM

    Re: Map and Me

    Can MAP fix the problems I’m having with streaming porn?
    Nope, you need a faster net connection, and the Sanson Codec. :)

    i thought map was explaned quite well, it basicly means users have no option on the upgrading/system matance of there computer. The IA does it, when the user is not looking.
    but some more info would be nice :)

  105. Anon Says:

    In Response To Nimdok @ 01/15/2001 11:00:13 PM

    Re: Work on R6

    Of course I read the interview you insolent twat. No I can’t show you a link because I simply can’t be bothered to trawl back through the archives, but they were quite clear they would continue development until the next major release.
    My point (which you clearly didn’t pick up on, did you read the posting?) was that what worries me is whether BeOS development will continue after the next non-point release.

  106. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To georges @ 01/15/2001 11:51:43 PM

    Re: Question for Jean-Louis

    prob no more than other Gaming ‘ia’ (or Game Consoles) out there.

  107. mlk Says:

    In Response To BehOSer @ 01/16/2001 00:56:41 AM

    Re: I’m pissed.

    drink some coffee
    have a cold shower
    run round the block
    your’ll feel horrid, but it’ll flush that lovly achol out of your system.

    mlk, alas not pissed :(

  108. cedricd Says:

    In Response To icarii @ 01/16/2001 04:02:09 AM

    Re: A quick question

    Actually these are non debatable and highly scientific facts,
    especially the bit about BeIA-enabled troops being provided with such superiority
    that it will spell the end of human wars, see that article
    from Natur^H^H^H^H^HBeDope for instance:

    http://bedope.com/archive/020998.html

    What the whiners and moronic ranters (Nutcase please implement Moderation now, this place is turning into BeNews-land!)
    call bluff, Beers call humour :-)

  109. SD Says:

    In Response To Francis @ 01/15/2001 7:57:11 PM

    Re: Possible Question

    Very good question.
    If you are long-time computer user, you are able to analyze lot of things in retrospective. IMHO, the reason fo MS success, (and tux’s failure) is the same, although it may seems implicit for most of geeks.
    This is the unified approach to wide printer support in connection with screen/fonts rendering. MS Windows really turned in BIG OS since Win 3.0 where and when they implemented printing/font rendering on quite good quality and convinience level.

  110. David Bruce Says:

    In Response To Thomas Simpson @ 01/15/2001 6:31:13 PM

    Shareholders don’t vote on things like that

    Shareholders votes (other than “voting with your wallet” by buying or dumping the stock) are essentially limited to the makeup of the board of directors. The board, in turn, appoints the company’s management, who in turn make all the operational decisions. There would never be a “BeOS vs. BeIA” Be stockholder election.

  111. David Bruce Says:

    Questions for JLG

    From your comments in this interview as well as previously, it seems clear that Microsoft’s Windows and bootloader licensing terms (which prohibit OEMs to sell dual-boot machines) were what led Be to conclude that BeOS alone would not produce enough revenue to sustain the company.

    I was elated when the DOJ ordered Microsoft to cease these practices within 90 days, and was equally dismayed when Microsoft was allowed to continue them pending appeal.

    My question is: If the DOJ finally steps in and forces Windows to compete on equal terms, do you see a realistic possibility that BeOS could establish itself as a commercially viable OS? Do you still believe that given “enough runway” BeOS would take off? Or have the last few years soured you on the whole idea of a desktop platform that is superior to the mass-market offerings that are “good enough” for the average consumer?

    To be more direct: What would it take for Be to re-embrace the “Media OS” mission? I assume that survival of the company via BeIA revenues is one prerequisite, and Microsoft being brought to justice is another. What if Dell came to you in a year and said “We have a major interest in promoting dual boot BeOS/Windows machines for the discerning enthusiast market” - would that be sufficient reason to shift some focus back to BeOS?

  112. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 01/15/2001 10:47:29 PM

    Re: D*mn you Nutcase and Scar!

    Well #1 has pretty much been answered for BeIA. They have proxim wireless ethernet support, as well as deals with metricom for their high speed (128kbps) wide area wireless modem service. The question is, will these trickle down to BeOS.

    Question #3 is also known. For example, the Qubit webtablet will be available without service if you want it that way.

  113. Jonathan Thompson Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 01/16/2001 02:49:26 AM

    Re: Be-p Be-p, roadrunner!!

    You say you run Be OS all of the time.
    1. How often do you reboot, whether to reboot for the sake of rebooting, or to go into another OS (which you seem to indicate that you don’t).
    2. How many windows do you have open at one time? I tend to keep 40 windows open in Tracker alone, not to mention always having a copy of BeIDE open with a similar number, and Opera, Gobe, etc. I push the system to the limits.
    3. How much RAM do you have? It is conceivable that, despite having followed a tip to set my filesystem cache to a given value to work around a kernel heap bug, that it may not be perfect. I have 256 megs of RAM on my dual P3 machine.
    4. I am running the original releases of OpenTracker and Deskbar distributed with 5.0.3. That could, to some extent, explain some of my problems. They should not cause the app_server to enter into an unrecoverable state, though, no matter how many issues they have (it is known that they do have some issues).
    5. How large is your swapfile? It may be an issue that I have mine as large as Be OS would let me set it, which is (IIRC, I am at work) 2044 megs. Maybe the system can’t handle that much swap file correctly under Intel?
    6. How much physical RAM are you using at a time? I seem to not usually have a big deal until I am very close to the limits of physical memory usage, and start into the swap file. It takes quite a bit to start using the swap file with 256 megs RAM and only a Matrox Millenium 2 meg card, circa 1995 (waiting to get an ATI Radeon, with baited breath). I know that logically, the app_server would have a larger memory usage footprint if I could run at 32 bit depth at 1600*1200 instead of the 8 bit depth I am running at.

    It may also have something to do with associated drivers. If they aren’t perfect, and are spraying writes where they shouldn’t occasionally, it doesn’t really matter how solid the kernel or the app_server is. My machine at work (running NT 4 sp 5) is most heavily flawed by the video drivers, as they seem to have problems. Since display drivers and GDI stuff runs under kernel space in NT, it gives more room for failure to show up and be fatal. Once I start seeing black boxes for icons in Windows NT on my work machine, I know it is time to reboot. To think that NT is supposed to be designed for running servers!

    My point is that without hacking the kernel or the app_server, I should be able to do all that I described above without concern.

  114. georges Says:

    In Response To David Bruce @ 01/16/2001 08:55:12 AM

    Re: Questions for JLG

    I like these too.

  115. Dirty Frogs Says:

    In Response To Jacques Cashette @ 01/15/2001 11:03:54 PM

    Re: Dem Francophones

    Tempted to start an English/French flame war…

    But I think we Europens should team up and attack the foul amricans!

    :-)

  116. basstoon Says:

    What about Sony?

    Sony is a big company that makes personal computers, game consoles and (now) IA’s.
    And not on the last place MANY multimedia devices. Do you think that this fact can save BeOS? The Media OS. I think that this is great opportunity for Sony to make all their hardware Be Happy. :-) ))

    There is great story “In the Beginning was the Command Line” by Neal Stephenson. The author says: “But it is the fate of operating systems to become free.”

    My question for JLG is “Do you think that there is no more money in General Purpose OSes?”

    I hope that BeOS superior technology will not die like OS/2.

  117. David Bruce Says:

    In Response To basstoon @ 01/16/2001 11:52:22 AM

    Re: What about Sony?

    In my post above, I used Dell as a totally hypothetical example of a company that might get Be focused a little more on BeOS after the DOJ reins in Microsoft, but I hadn’t thought about Sony PCs. If Sony’s eVilla is a big hit, maybe they would be interested in parlaying that into a way to expand their PC business by featuring BeOS. I don’t know how likely that would be, but it is worth hoping for.

  118. David Bruce Says:

    In Response To Nimdok @ 01/15/2001 11:00:13 PM

    Re: Work on R6

    I’m not aware that Be has ever used the term “R6″. However, there is abundant evidence that several major enhancements are underway, including statements from Be employees along the lines of “BeOS is getting OpenGL and BONE - beyond that we’ll have to see”.

    I don’t care if is called R6, R5.5, or whatever, but Be has very consistently said that OpenGL and BONE will be released as some sort of BeOS upgrades, *when they are ready*. We just are getting impatient because Be is so secretive about the timeline.

  119. Nimdok Says:

    In Response To Anon @ 01/16/2001 07:03:28 AM

    Re: Work on R6

    “Be have long said that R6 will happen”
    “No I can’t show you a link”

    Gotta say that doesn’t instill a lot of confidence in me.

    We know there is tech in development. My point is that it might not make it into an R6 release, but rather could just be posted as a patch with the words: “BeOS update status will remain uncertain until future notice”. If that is your idea of R6 then we clearly have no quarrel.

  120. bequick Says:

    In Response To L-Joe @ 01/16/2001 12:58:28 AM

    not likely

    well most handhelds are based on StrongARM cpu’s, while palm itself is based on motorolas dragonball. BeOS or BeIA would have to be ported to that architecture. Another problem is that palm pda’s dominate the market (i remember figures like 70%-89%). In short term i don’t think a Be powered pda will appear. On the other hand if they succeed with BeIA and Palms still have a tiny 160×160 dot matrix they might try.

    more interesting to me seems the idea of a sub webpad combined UMTS cell phone. BeIA and OS should be strong enough to handle streaming media but then i bet these pads won’t be based on x86 structure either

    flo

  121. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To David Bruce @ 01/16/2001 08:55:12 AM

    Re: Questions for JLG

    Yes, I vote for these being excellent questions, as well.

  122. wobegon Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/16/2001 12:09:04 AM

    Re: A quick question

    Generaly the best way to fight ignorance and sarcasim as is the case of the first poster is with a smile on your face.

    The tone of the first post indicates that he’s either a Linux zealot, or a windows zealot and he thinks BeOS sucks, well fine, use what you like, but I refuse to let comments like that go without a smile.

    If my tone was taken as flamebait or trolling I profusly apologise this was not the intention.

    I am sorry I wasted your time.and I am sorry I wasted space here on your board.

  123. Francis Says:

    In Response To Francis @ 01/15/2001 7:57:11 PM

    Re: (Another) Possible Question

    Another “wish list” question:

    Anything on the horizon for enhancements to how BeOS handles fonts in forms, and/or any other changes that would enhance the *appearence* of BeOS?

    I was always a little miffed at how poorly BeOS seems to handle higher screen resolutions (1200 x 1024 and up. Relatively few applications seem to be font sensitive enough to prevent all the cropping of text that occurs on buttons and panels. It would be nice to have such an ability built into BeOS. Admittedly I know little about the topic, but even apps that make use of Marco Nelisson’s “liblayout” seem limited in their ability to compensate for this.

    Another basic thing is the difficulty BeOS seems to have with arranging icons.

    It seems as if BeOS is not even made to be able to handle higher resolutions, it’s not flexible enough. BeOS doesn’t even give you the option of setting the displayed font size greater than 12 pt., - Marco Nelisson made an app for this - but the fact that you don’t have this ability in BeOS itself perhaps says that it wouldn’t work too well if you did. It’s frustrating that you have to make such a tradeoff - crisp fonts, but with unreadable forms.

    It would nice to be able to see something like an extended “BeTheme” incorported into BeOS. I know that smacks too much of Windows for most BeOS’ers, but wouldn’t you like to have a simpler, more organized way to create (and save) the appearence of your desktop?

    There’s lot more important things needed for BeOS, but I think some of the more appearance oriented issues would make an impact on the new user coming from Windows (like me;-). BeOS already has a lot of style, but if it was a little less “clunky” on screen it would be absolutely gorgeous. A “prettier” desktop is more inviting (and less fatiguing) to spend more time with, (this kind of sugar worked for Microsoft!) Maybe BeOS’ers truly care more about the superior technology inside, but it would be nice to have a more external manifestation of this.

  124. georges Says:

    In Response To David Bruce @ 01/16/2001 1:02:07 PM

    Re: What about Sony?

    It is possible, but the day where we see Sony plugging BeOS along sinde Windows is a fiar way off.
    Many of Sony’s Vaio Laptop’s are sold to corporations which rely on MS software. Until those ties can be broken Be will have a hard time anywhere, but the home computer.

    Which isn’t a bad place to be :)

  125. Krobi Says:

    BeOS and its future

    I have already read this article, on the time i read it i thougt “na toll:(” no news”). I mean i would like to know about a new beos release because what`s about when the whole IA made will crush? Did Be Inc. sometimes think about this? Does Be Inc. sometimes think what happens when many BeOS user leave the Be Community because they are frustrated. I think Be Inc. should think about it because we are (the BeOS User)these who make Be and BeOS to what it is now. But here is what i think Be Inc. should read. I’m from austria and 2 weeks ago i was at the Vobis Superstore (it’s a big pc dealer in germany and austria) and there i saw an advertising from koch media with BeOS 5 Pro. I said to my friend: “hey look at BeOS, it’s cool!” Very, very great but i think this interview about wasn’t very good for the BeOS Community because there are no news about BeOS and most of the BeOS Users want BONE, OpenGl and and and…..

    So BE please give us BEOS 6! PLEASE i think all BeOS users want it and i think also Beos 5 Pe was a success and look at germany there it is the first and only printed BeOS Magazin. So BE LOOK!!!! And don’t think BeIA is our only way. BeOS is also a way and why do you focus fully on the IA marked? Focus a little on BeOs back.

    yours
    Krobi
    (i’am a very “BeGeisterter” User)

  126. eTosser Says:

    In Response To wobegon @ 01/16/2001 3:36:57 PM

    Re: A quick question

    Well since JLG doesn’t seem to have any ready answers to what would generally be considered reasonable questions - then perhaps these will do.

    I don’t like Linux - it’s free but not cheap.
    I don’t like Windows - It’s overpriced.
    I do like BeOS - it’s easily the best OS I’ve used.

    I’m just getting fed up with JLG’s lack of communication. You can only go so far claiming that you can’t talk about things.

  127. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/14/2001 9:32:06 PM

    Re: FYI - other comments

    some of those last comments were for the second part, it looks like. Not a biggie..just fyi.

  128. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous Chicken @ 01/15/2001 02:50:56 AM

    Re: part 2

    I’m getting the feeling that they won’t be released. There’s hasn’t been any news about them in quite some time, so I’m worried that they have been developed to the point where they are or might be useful for BeIA, but they aren’t going to get to a ‘releasable’ point for the BeOS. Hopefully i’m wrong, but i’m not going to hold my breath anymore.

  129. bememe Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/15/2001 1:00:36 PM

    Re: Man..

    But that’s a pretty easy game to play the other way, isn’t it? I was really trying to read good into the vagueness, but I could see how you might see it the other way. Time will tell, I guess.
    One thing that would straighten things right out would be some (any!) news about BONE or opengl. :)

  130. wobegon Says:

    In Response To eTosser @ 01/16/2001 4:52:15 PM

    Re: A quick question

    well anybody that likes BeOS is ok with me.
    but JLG did answer the questions put to him.
    It’s like Nutcase said just read between the lines, the answers are there.I’m satisfied anyway.

    Try reading Lee Williams article
    “Co_development conundrum” it’s the featured article on Be’s front page. it goes a long way in explianing Be’s need for caution, regarding BeOS.

    it’s not a lack of comunication, it’s really covert communication.

  131. Ruprect Says:

    In Response To Gawd @ 01/15/2001 5:30:23 PM

    “The sky is falling, the sky is falling!”

    Oh, jeez, guys don’t freak. We can only comment on what was said. If you infer from his statements a negative tone, then it’s most likely your own preconcieved notions are negative.

    If however you are optimistic about the future, you might get a different outlook on JLG’s statements.

    I think the bottom line is that JLG is bound by a lot of other interests to make open comments one way or the other.

  132. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To David Bruce @ 01/16/2001 08:55:12 AM

    Re: Questions for JLG

    This definitely needs to be asked. Excellent questions, and I hope JLG can answer them if they become part of the lucky 10 :)

  133. alencious Says:

    better multilanguage support??

    Hi, Jean-Louis
    I like to ask if there is any plan to improve the multilanguage support in BeOS/BeIA. I know that BeOS itself is already unicode based, but then take a look on websites on the net, I still havent seem any website that encoded with unicode. Further the current font renderer is a bit too slow compare with windows. I know that currently US, europe and japan are the major market for BeOS/BeIA now, but then I also expect that the demand in place like China, Korean will continue to grow. Further, since these place are still not highly computerize yet, and most of the people there are still using pirate version of windows or linux, it will be perfect if Be can offer a personal edition of BeOS with better support for the local language system. It might not generate any profit now, but then since this market is growing rapidly now, the market might eventually comparable to US and europe and by that time, it would be too late for Be to catch up with microsoft there.

  134. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To wobegon @ 01/16/2001 3:36:57 PM

    Re: A quick question

    Wobegon… I was not referring to you. I am sorry if you thought i was… i didnt mean to insult you. When i said the “second post” i meant the absolute second from the top. The anonymous one that had nothing constructive to say in any respect. this one

    Sorry for the confusion. Please stick around… your voice is more than welcome here. :)

  135. wobegon Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/17/2001 00:57:46 AM

    Re: A quick question

    sheesh, I didn’t see that comment, he does have his head shoved up his ass.
    :)

  136. Buck Says:

    In Response To David Bruce @ 01/16/2001 08:55:12 AM

    Re: Questions for JLG

    Great questions, definitely must be asked!

  137. AAnonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/17/2001 00:57:46 AM

    A big truckload

    “…are you going to continue BeOS development?

    JLG: I understand the concern. I think one could see a scenario where we succeed with BeIA and decide to “drop” BeOS. I’m not sure I can put a probability on such scenario. As for the difference between a target platform and a development platform, I think it is a very valid question. From my perspective at this stage of the game, it’s hard to quantify the differences, but I recognize it’s a valid question we’ll need to re-visit over time.”

    I guess there is an answer here and I’m just to blind to see it. Probably because my head is up my ass.

  138. cedricd Says:

    In Response To AAnonymous @ 01/17/2001 03:26:19 AM

    Re: A big truckload

    my contribution to being-super-patient-with-naysayers (not that
    this phenomenon is new to me, I’ve read people saying R3/R4 would never ship,
    R4.5 would never ship, R5 would never be released because of the focus shift ..etc ..etc):

    the sentence you quote doesn’t bring new information.
    so what. the whole interview is not there to specify that is_computer_on_fire will
    return a 8 bytes double instead of a float in the next kernel revision,
    it’s a testimonial (sp?) of continued interest, or whatever
    you say in English for “renouveler sa confiance/temoigner de l’interet”.

    I’m quite saddened that JLG went to great lengths of expressing his feelings,
    laying himself into a weak position by saying he’s sorry, everythign showing
    that we as a community are important to Be, and get chucked and even called a liar (or
    a “layier”? wuzzat? american English :) by a few weirdos rednecks here
    (yeah since you’re not brave enough to use your real name allow me to make
    assumptions on my own about your life habits, ya?)

    I guess this explains my freaking out above (Nutcase: sorry for that,
    I re-read the threads page and indeed only one post should really be deleted
    because it’s not worth the electrons used to convey it, though there
    are quite a few other comments that belong to benews [the CROWDY site]
    rather than BeGroovy..

    PPS: no offense to benews for always referring to BeGroovy as the uber-newssite,
    I guess if BG was the target of as many linux bigots/trolls and stock-raiders
    spreading FUD to play with the stock price there would be crap here as well.
    Though I’m confident Nutcase et al would be more proactive in preventing
    that from happening (not to mention, no memebers of BG’s staff go visit
    c.s.b.apple newsgroup claiming BeOS is dead, Scot must not be very happy
    with seeing that kind of behaviour.. sigh. but what do I know).

  139. Mark Says:

    Amiga DE ontop of BeOS or BeIA?

    Amiga is making a new operating system together with the UK based Tao Group http://www.tao-group.com With the first products to be shipped at the end of this month

    http://www.infomedia-network.com/ (The TVsion is also planned for a Q1 2001)

    This OS will also function as a multimedia stack for other OSes like Linux, Windows and QNX. Since you are working with Sony and it has greatly invested (around 20 million dollar, just like Motorola) in this technology will it an option for future BeIA versions?

    Do you have any further information regarding this promising technology? Does anyone at the Be team own an Amiga SDK? This technology is also targetted for the new generation of Japanese mobile phones, does Be have plans moving in this ultra small footprint area?

  140. mlk Says:

    In Response To Olathe @ 01/15/2001 01:55:31 AM

    Re: BeOS’s status

    I know some one that works ‘in this area’ as it were.
    (works for pace, they make set top boxes)
    There, you are NOT alowed to test application on anything other that the target box.

    mlk

  141. IAmWhoIHam Says:

    In Response To Krobi @ 01/16/2001 4:41:57 PM

    Don’t be so full of yourself

    I think Be Inc. should think about it because we are (the BeOS User)these who make Be and BeOS to what it is now.

    No, *Be* made BeOS what it is now. Some 3rd party developers have contributed greatly also. But the end-users of BeOS have done hardly anything. If they had, Be would never have made the focus shift!

  142. Johan Hägglund Says:

    BeIA and other IA sloutions nothing for geeks

    I dont want any BeIA or any other IA either.

    The traditional computer is not dead like some people state…..

    I think its time that Be an JLG play with open cards…
    Rigth now much people in the comunity focus on IA´s
    Sadly..

    /The ArmorKing

  143. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 01/17/2001 06:47:41 AM

    Re: A big truckload

    I re-read the threads page and indeed only one post should really be deleted because it’s not worth the electrons used to convey it, though there are quite a few other comments that belong to benews [the CROWDY site] rather than BeGroovy..

    I actually agree that this is a different type of comments than we usually have… but this is a rather unique case. I can see how short-sighted, or negative-minded, people could be upset by the nature of the interview…. it isn’t as straight-forward as some people would like. That said, I still think it is an enormous positive.

    If these kinds of comments continue on news that isn’t like this, i will break out moderation in full force. Up until now it just hasnt been needed.

  144. Craig Mitchell Says:

    In Response To Johan Hägglund @ 01/17/2001 10:32:27 AM

    Re: BeIA and other IA sloutions nothing for geeks

    No, the PC will not die…..but…. millions of people who have PCs (or will buy PCs in the next few years) will be doing it only to access email, surf the web, listen to music etc.

    To sum it up, they will not be creating any content. They will not need the processing power a PC has. What they _will_ want is mobility, small size, etc.

    This is what a IA is. I know when you use a computer everyday, it is hard to imagine the _very large_ percentage of people who do not own or even use them (and this is in the USA only)

    A great quote to keep in mind here (and I forget the author) is…..

    “I bought a computer to learn about computing as much as I bought a refridgerator to learn about refrideration.”

    In other words, there is a vast majority of people who will be buying something to get them on the web that expect it to be as easy to use as the telephone or the TV. Do not underestimate this market.

  145. Torsion Says:

    A new poll?

    It’s obvious that the BeOS community is somewhat polarized into “people that still believe in Be Inc.” and “people that do not believe in Be Inc.”.

    Notice that I didn’t say “people who believe in BeOS”…. because pretty much everyone in this community think BeOS kicks ass and should be the dominant desktop OS.

    Then, this interview comes out, and I believe that it served to polarize people further. If you’re a believer, then *somehow* you got the idea that great things are coming relatively soon. If you’re a non-believer, you likely just concluded “well, that interview didn’t say anything… Why’d they even bother doing it… and why’d we have to wait so long for part 2!” ;-)

    I think the community is running on fumes. With the absence of any substantial information about BeOS from Be Inc, belief in Be Inc. pretty much becomes a matter of faith.

    I’m genuinely interested in knowing how people’s religious beliefs are reflected in their Be Inc. beliefs. Could there be any correlation between religious people and those that have faith in Be Inc.?

  146. Craig Mitchell Says:

    In Response To Torsion @ 01/17/2001 11:42:46 AM

    Re: A new poll?

    Hmmmm….. At least for audio, BeOS is looking up. In recent months software has been developed/announced to record using BeOS.

    Devil Studio recently released DBe a midi sequencer that will soon support audio.

    Bias will soon be releasing Peak on BeOS (it’s in beta now)

    The Radar DAW is using BeOS (although that is a closed design and I suppose some may not count it)

    I guess it takes faith and time. Who knows?

    but I think BeIA is a great way for BeOS to slide onto the desktop. If someone’s IA uses BeOS, it’s not a far reach to think that it would interface nicely with BeOS on the desktop at home for certain applications.

  147. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/17/2001 10:33:20 AM

    Re: A big truckload

    I have now gone back and reread that interview 4 times. Part 1 was great, part 2 left me with the distinct feeling that while JLG had agreed to an interview he hadn’t necessarily agreed to provide clear and straight answers to your questions.

    If I had to summarize that interview again in ten words or less, I’d use the same language.

    A lot of subsequent postings make continued references to “reading between” the lines. These posters provide no additional insight - they are about as bad as JLG is in this interview.

    You talk about people being short sighted but provide little clarity yourself.

    Presumably BeGroovy wants people to read their articles and respond to them. Why do you conclude that a poster who doesn’t like what is being said is “negative-minded”? I read an interview and made a comment on it. The fact that it doesn’t appear to synch with your view of the world doesn’t make it any less valid.

  148. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/17/2001 10:33:20 AM

    Re: A big truckload

    I have now gone back and reread that interview 4 times. Part 1 was great, part 2 left me with the distinct feeling that while JLG had agreed to an interview he hadn’t necessarily agreed to provide clear and straight answers to your questions.

    If I had to summarize that interview again in ten words or less, I’d use the same language.

    A lot of subsequent postings make continued references to “reading between” the lines. These posters provide no additional insight - they are about as bad as JLG is in this interview.

    You talk about people being short sighted but provide little clarity yourself.

    Presumably BeGroovy wants people to read their articles and respond to them. Why do you conclude that a poster who doesn’t like what is being said is “negative-minded”? I read an interview and made a comment on it. The fact that it doesn’t appear to synch with your view of the world doesn’t make it any less valid.

  149. wobegon Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 01/17/2001 3:45:07 PM

    Re: A big truckload

    I and a few people here conclude that you are being negitive minded because of this statement from you

    “Part 2 is a truckload of fucking shit”

    How can we not interpet this as being negitive minded?

    I really insist that you read Lee Williams article called
    “The Co-development conundrum” Lee’s the Director for Product Development and Delivery for Be so he knows what he’s talking about.

    The article can be found on Be’s main page,it’s the featured article on the front page.
    http://www.be.com/

    This article explains fully why JLG is talking like this.

    Here’s some quotes

    ” We are interacting with all levels of companies and processes that are engaged in product development in this space. For the first time in our history as a company, the
    response to our contribution is material and in some cases overwhelming.”

    ” This is why you have seen a different face on Be. ”

    “Our co-development partners guide our ability to disclose information. The licensing options are one of many in a cauldron of choices that span industries.”

    “Look for the subtle signs of progress
    that define our opportunity. We can’t be as open and footloose as we’ve been in the past about demonstrating our capabilities and our successes, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t happening — and that is our dilemma. ”

    Now.

    after reading all this try looking up Steve Sakoman’s open letter to the BeOS community.the best source for this is Benews, I think search for “open letter”.

    here’s some quotes from that

    ” Meanwhile, we’re working to enhance and update BeOS. We’ve spoken publicly about a number of new technologies coming to BeOS, and so we know our users expect us to deliver. Although we’re not yet ready to publish a release schedule for new versions of BeOS, we’d like to give you an idea of what you can expect to see: ”

    Steve goes on to detail, Opera 4.0,BONE,Java2,Improvemnts to Media kit, OpenGL rewrite

    he concludes with

    “BeOS is an important part of our strategy moving forward, and we intend to continue enhancing it. BeOS and BeIA are code-compatible, meaning that our developers can quickly move software from BeOS to BeIA and vice versa. ”

    now after all that, reconsider part2 of the JLG interview.
    you’ll find that you are indeed being way waaay too negitive over some really cool news.

    I feel that taking into account what Be has stated publicly, that JLG’s responces really stand out,what more do you want the man to say?

  150. Jeff Says:

    In Response To David Bruce @ 01/16/2001 08:55:12 AM

    Re: Questions for JLG

    Good question to ask

  151. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To Johan Hägglund @ 01/17/2001 10:32:27 AM

    Re: BeIA and other IA sloutions nothing for geeks

    For my personal use, a computer is definitely what I want/need to do the things I want to do. It took me a while to realize that not everybody out there is interested in the computer portion of it. They want a tool to do a task. Something that turns on and works for browsing, email, streaming media, or whatever. That is where the IAs come in. It has great potential that alot of us geeks overlook.
    As a company, Be inc. needs revenue to survive.

    The OS market has proven extremely difficult to break into, so they are putting their energies into something that has great revenue potential. Unfortunately, BeOS will just have to play second fiddle for a while. All indications are that Be isn’t going to drop it, so we will see improvements and updates, only not as rapidly as we would all like :)

  152. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To wobegon @ 01/18/2001 03:02:26 AM

    You’re amazing

    I can only find 2 articles listed on the main page and neither has the title you mention.

    The excerpt that you include suggests that BeOS is being co-developed by several parties. If this is correct then this is indeed BIG NEWS. Why hasn’t it been headlined and followed up on????

    I would have expect JLG to say

    Expect the next release of BeOS in Q1 2001 or at some specified time. I don’t think that this is too much too ask and I don’t see how hiding behind the SEC can be used as an excuse for not answering.

  153. wobegon Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 01/18/2001 2:56:40 PM

    Re: You’re amazing

    Lee’s article was taken off the front page becasue it’s been replaced by a new article by JLG.:)

    here’s the Lee williams article “Co-development conundrum”

    http://www.be.com/developers/bmessage/issue15.html

    it’s right below JLG’s article just scroll down it’s right there.

    here’s the link to the Steve Sakoman piece on “open letter to the comunity”

    http://www.benews.com/story/3414.1.html

    both articles are very informative.

    it would be nice if JLG could talk openly about release dates like that yes.here’s the problem.
    If Be has a contract with company X to port BeIA for their new webpad, and Be simultaneously announces BeOS will ship on a specified quarter in the future.

    Company X could either do nothing, or say something positive like ” it’s really great to see Be delevering such cool technology to the masses”, OR it could sue Be for every penny it had for breach of contract on the grounds that Company X paid X number of dollars for work that was garanteed to produce BeIA and make it ready and available for shipping on the expected release date.

    why would company X do this? to cover there asses!
    Company X announces this new WebPad will ship on a certain date, the investors are told this, the waiting public expect a product. If Be is percieved to be screwing around wasting time,If Be is too loose lipped with the truth Be could set it self up for a massive lawsuit.Any delay in shipping on the fault of Be or Company X could lead to a lawsuit.

    Be is not Microsoft,not yet, there cash reserves are not infinate.they can’t afford a single mistake.not one.

    If JLG said BeOS R6 will ship on X date, what if it can’t ship on time because they were busy with BeIA stuff??? missed deadlines in silicon valley are quite common place.

    How many times has Microsoft pushed back Windows releases???
    How many times has Apple blown or pushed back deadlines???

    Both Apple and Microsoft can afford to miss deadlines, alienate clients, and irritate stock holders, becasue they have massive cash reserves and armies of lawers to fall back on. Be doesn’t, one mistake on Be’s part would kill them right now.

    we live in a litigeous society,unfortunate but these are the consequences.

    However the realitymis Be is delevering on all it promised and they have plenty of partners, Qubit, Sony, now Teac, possibly Intel.They all invest in Be stike up contracts for BeIA devices and Be keeps working on BeOS as they said.repeatedly.adnausium.

  154. Henry van Eyken Says:

    Interview with JLG

    Good interview, Nutcase. Informative.

    Congrats

    Henry

  155. Martin Eden Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 01/15/2001 1:08:49 PM

    Re: Sheesh…

    As far as why he can’t just be open, remember when the interview was conducted. Before the Sony announcement. Basically, Be has to keep Sony happy at all costs. So as the CEO of Be, JLG CAN’T say that they are working on BeOS, because Sony and investors would be scared off and/or pissed that they are “wasting” time on it.

    That’s one of the most ridiculous excuses I have ever heard.

    I suppose QNX, which builds a great Real Time OS, should have no business doing so, since it will drive their embedded customers away. Just go look at their site. Download their free Operating System with a modern java enabled browser, a slick interface and professional Email/News client. Tell me what is wrong with your statement above.

    Thanks for the interview. I just wasted the BFS partition on my drive (that I hadn’t used in 2 months) and put Plan 9 in it’s place.

    It was fun while it lasted, but I wont be one of those pathetic “Amigans” 3 or 4 years from now sticking with things. The music’s over. Turn out the lights.

  156. basstoon Says:

    In Response To basstoon @ 01/16/2001 11:52:22 AM

    Plus…

    Another quetion to JLG:

    Do you think that the release of BeOS 5 Personal Edition was a success for Be inc. And have you reached your purposes.

  157. basstoon Says:

    Question

    Hi Nutcase,
    I don’t understand when you will ask JLG this 10 questions.
    I think that all people here want to know what happen with R6. But there is hard to find question that is good for obtaining clear answer.

    Can you ask JLG is there something BeOS users can do, that will make Be to consider releasing new BeOS version ASAP?

  158. georges Says:

    In Response To Mark @ 01/17/2001 07:30:38 AM

    Re: Amiga DE ontop of BeOS or BeIA?

    20 million for Sony is NOTHING.
    Companies like Sony invest in everything. It doesn’t mean anything.

  159. georges Says:

    In Response To basstoon @ 01/19/2001 11:40:36 AM

    Re: Question

    I think they’ll release something when they are good and ready.
    Thay may not mean when the software is finished either.
    It may mean when the markets/their customers are completely happy and Be can afford to take a BIT of focus off BeIA.

    Georges

  160. Jim Duggan Says:

    Ask him this…

    1) Considering that the original inspration for the BeOS came when you realized the state of the operating systems of the day, what do you think of the modern offerings, namely WinMe (or Whistler) and MacOS X?

    2) Are there any features you see in these operating sytems that you would like to see implemented in BeOS? [ No promises, we realise ;) ]

    3) In an alternate reality, the BeOS may have been the foundation for the new MacOS. How good a job do you think Steve Jobs has made using NeXT as a basis for MacOS X?

    4) Computers are just ‘enabling devices’. People should use the best tool for the job. Several high profile BeOS enthusiasts and developers have expressed the desire to move on. Are there any reasons you can think of why they should stick with BeOS?

    5) Who do you see as your main competitors in the IA space? Symbian, QNX, Microsoft, Pace Micro?

    6) Do you ever see the BeOS becoming a major player in the OS market, considering that the competition is growing stronger with every release? Bearing in mind you said this: “If, at the end of 1998 we haven’t made it, if we don’t have hundreds of thousands of paying customers doing real work, then we’re dead.” [http://www5.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwo/0328/pcwo0003.html], do you think that the BeOS will remain a fringe player, even if Be pushes it as hard as it can?

    7) Considering that the market for IAs will be so huge, even a very small market presence will be a sucess. What percentage of the market do you intend to capture?

    Nutcase: No. 5 and No. 6 would be my favourites, if you could squeeze them in, and they should be quite ‘answerable’.

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