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BeOS seeks a graceful death

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Posted by:Ryan on Saturday, 08 Sep, 2001 @ 1:55 AM
 
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Mike Popovic of BeDope fame has struck again over at Segfault.org with his story BeOS Signs DNR, Requests “Death with Dignity”. The article discusses BeOS’s final wishes as she lay in her hospital bed, and raises the question of if she will be remembered as a great technology ahead of it’s time or as the butt of jokes, like amiga and os/2. What do you think? Should beos simply go to sleep quietly, or should we drag it kicking and screaming back to life? I plan on giving my best effort to keep it alive, but if I can’t make anything happen by a year from now, I am letting it die peacefully. How ’bout you?



144 Responses to “BeOS seeks a graceful death”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 09/08/2001 11:32:33 AM

    What?

    I’m just downloading BeOS to check it out, so I can’t really tell if it’s any good or not. But I _AM_ insulted by you folks calling the Amiga a joke. I owned some Amiga’s many years, and trust me: The community was the best ever existed! The OS was ahead (for it’s time) so as it’s specifications.

    Now I’m not another M$ hater, I can find myself alot in M$. But if they (and the rest of the PC community) would have been a sportive community they wouldn’t have pushed away the Amiga out of the market but would’ve learned from us. If the Amiga would have had a better chance (they didn’t get any) the platform would now be just as developped and with it’s time as it was then.

    It’s really a shame a company like Amiga inc. can be forgotten by many as it is. Too bad… Really…

  2. Anonymous Says:

    Get BEOS going again

    the only problem with be os is the lack of hardware support and software get this fixed and they will come. be os is a brilliant os thats STABLE dare i say it.

  3. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I for one didn’t think OS/2 was a joke it rather rocked, Be is better but….

  4. Anonymous Says:

    PalmOS, The Heir

    Be already comitted euthanasia.

    Another baby is growing.

    PalmOS 5: “A new breed of low-bandwith digital
    media applications for low-cost sub-PC!”

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Yeah I agree with you……

    let us keep faith that Palm will let BeOS live!

  6. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 07:49:49 AM

    Re: Yeah I agree with you……

    I have faith your mom will keep BeOS alive

  7. altp Says:

    let her die …

    And let her kin carry on her existance.

    Beos is starting to age considerably, something else should be born from what was done/learned with Beos.

    *Looks over to atheos* Its a good open source start, if you’re looking to make an OpenBe, you could fork the project. Otherwise, unless someone can get the code from palm *shrug*

    Altp.

  8. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 09/08/2001 11:32:33 AM

    Re: let her die …

    Atheos? Not *that* stupid thing again.

    The only way an OS written by a single guy would be acceptable is if that guy were a genius. The author of Atheos is far from a genius, and his OS shows it.

    It’s substandard, and borrows almost everything from GNU anyhow.

  9. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS dying??

    Well, I’d just like to tell y’all something…

    It took me one minute, thirty-seven seconds, exactly, to find OpenGL and BONE… cannot tell you where or how… I’d like to protect these sources..

    The new stuff that everyone has been waiting for is out there.!! And is readily available. I am currently trying to upgrade the BeOS 5 PE to the best stuff, if Palm doesn’t do anything with BeOS, then I guess I may release this into the Warez community for downloading…

    I am currently involved in a lawsuit that could put me in a position to liscence the BeOS Source code from Palm, and maybe hire an engineer or two to get this up-to-snuff… We’ll have to wait and see.. Mostly, this depends on how much Palm would want for the source code… I’m working up a letter….

  10. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:03:57 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    am currently involved in a lawsuit that could put me in a position to liscence the BeOS Source code from Palm, and maybe hire an engineer or two to get this up-to-snuff… We’ll have to wait and see.. Mostly, this depends on how much Palm would want for the source code… I’m working up a letter….

    Someone is already doing that…if youre not one of them..

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:03:57 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    I can’t find Bone nor OpenGL. Everybody is talking about the results but nobody seems to know where to find the goods …
    Please give me advice where to locate it…

  12. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:02:56 PM

    Re: let her die …

    Wow the first anti-atheos troll, congrats, now go away

  13. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:02:56 PM

    Re: let her die …

    Like i said, fork it… bring it up to par.

    Theres nothing wrong with GNU tools. They are powerful, and already written and documented. Write gui wrappers around them and your set for the most part.

    or use some of the code and write a fully gui version of them … thats the beauty of open source, you take what you need to build what you need, then give it back for others to use.

    It was just a suggestion …

    Altp.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 12:33:53 AM

    Amiga is Reborn

    Hang on a minute i have just found out that Amiga is coming back and this time it is for real,head over to www.amiga.com and found out more, i was suprised amiga was still on the go some years ago i had an amiga running workbench or something but the software and support for amiga was second to none these computers rocked in their time.
    The new amigas will be ppc g3 and g4 running workbench 4.9 and later wb 5.0.The new amigas are called amiga 0nes and have some very modern hardware including matrox graphics cards like the g450/500 and creative sounblaster 1024 live! and sounblaster 5.1 dolby digital ,as soon as i find out how much and when they come out i will definitely be buying one to replace my beos system

  15. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:03:57 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Tell Palm (fine company) that they could get a few of the $11M back on R.6. There IS a market for it. Windows XP (registered to Microsoft) is trying to open the door for new ideas and I hate to think that Linux (being slow and tied to its kernel) is the answer. Why on earth would one reboot a computer say just to change an IP address? Not on BeOS.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:02:56 PM

    Re: let her die …

    I was pissing myself silly after reading this. Kurts doing a damn fine job and if you have a problem with AtheOS why don’t you (i) go out and create a new OS yourself if you can do a better job or (ii) help the guys at the OpenBeOS project and (iii) just shut up !!

    : o )>

    HajTT

  17. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 5:21:38 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??


    Why on earth would one reboot a computer say just to change an IP address? Not on BeOS.

    Or on linux or MacOS (8.6 at least, i would assume you wouldn’t on 9 or X either)

    Computers shouldn’t have to reboot unless you change hardware or the OS. there is no other reason, except maybe a long blackout that the UPS can’t last for ;-)

    altp.

  18. Francis Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:03:57 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    >

    I read that BONE makes printing in BeOS totally unusable because parts of Net_Server are used for printing, and you can’t use Net_Server if you’re using BONE.

    Printing isn’t great as it is in BeOS (tell me why I can’t print on a garden variety printer like a HP LaserJet III and need to set the virtual memory incredibly high to get anything at all - and I’m not really a fan of InkJet printers so don’t tell me about BinkJet drivers). It really sucks that BONE makes printing impossible.

    I heard that modifications to Print_Server would be necessary (naturally).

    Sounds like just having BONE and OpenGL does not equal an R6. Unless you’d be happy taking photos of your monitor.

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Francis @ 09/08/2001 6:30:49 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Who says that printing doesn’t work with Bone 7a? Works like a charm on my machine.

  20. Anonymous Says:

    Amiga and OS/2

    I think Amiga and OS/2, while the butt of a few jokes are very well respected among most PC enthusiasts.

    Amiga Inc. (not the OS) is spinning its tires right now on some ovbviously fruitless projects and is getting little attention, though what little it is getting is negitive. But AmigaOS is still respected. Though, unless its updated and ported to run on Modern PC’s or Mac’s it will stay where its at now. Since it doesn’t run natively on modern PC’s or Mac’s comparisons between AmigaOS’s versus BeOS’s chances of “life after death” are moot.

    OS/2 isn’t even a desktop OS. IBM sells it as a Workstation or Server, and doesn’t even promote that actively. Over the years, due to big money customers, IBM has supplied a minimal drivel of updates. Until IBM markets it as a desktop OS (agian) comparisons between OS/2 versus BeOS’s chances of “life after death” are moot as well.

    To ASSUME what may or may not happen is a little more than foolish. Just because Amiga or IBM’s half ass’ed efforts didn’t succeed is no guarantee that BeOS would fail with continued support from Palm.

  21. Big Al Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 7:36:02 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Printing works fine. But with Bone you can’t access the Printers option in Preferences, so if you want to change printers or add a new one you’re out of luck. Unless Be was working on a replacement for the printing system and they just haven’t released it yet…

  22. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 8:50:21 PM

    Re: Amiga and OS/2

    Ok. I will clarify this here once. I recognize and respect both amiga and OS/2 greatly. Both were amazing technologies that were ahead of their time. The butt of the jokes is that years and years later, people still use them… not because they remain superior, but because they just can’t let go, or don’t want to. It’s rather funny, in a sad way.

    This is the “joke” mentioned in the linked article, which makes it rather clear. I simply alluded to the article in the story.

    Just to clear it up again, I LIKE AMIGA AND OS/2. They were great technologies. And maybe one or the other will make a comeback as a new system, proving everyone wrong. It would be nice. But it doesnt invalidate the humor in using antiquated, no longer up to date software/hardware just because it rocked at the time.

    To each their own, but don’t take yourselves so seriously. This story IS in the bedope category. :P

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 5:46:39 PM

    Re: let her die …

    I was pissing myself silly after reading this. Kurts doing a damn fine job and if you have a problem with AtheOS why don’t you (i) go out and create a new OS yourself if you can do a better job or (ii) help the guys at the OpenBeOS project and (iii) just shut up !!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Exactly. Any guy that goes it alone in creating an OS, in my books, is WELL ABOVE STANDARD. The rest are just no-life complainers.

  24. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 09/08/2001 6:18:53 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Computers shouldn’t have to reboot unless you change hardware or the OS. there is no other reason, except maybe a long blackout that the UPS can’t last for ;-)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    So the reason on Windows is…..?

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 09/08/2001 10:34:52 PM

    Re: Amiga and OS/2

    The butt of the jokes is that years and years later, people still use them… not because they remain superior, but because they just can’t let go, or don’t want to. It’s rather funny, in a sad way.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~-
    To be fair, the Amiga is still superior in several aspects to the so-called ‘modern’ PC. It’s still a case of ‘best tool for the job’.

  26. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 5:21:38 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    No need to reboot in Windows XP or Windows 2000.
    Or *BSD or any other half decent OS

    Please have a point next time.

  27. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 5:21:38 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Let’s assume you were exagerating, and propose that Palm would make only $1M

    Let’s further assume that there are currently still 10 thousand genuine BeOS users (which is most likely an over-estimate I think impartial observers will agree)
    Since we’re being optimistic, let’s have them all agree to buy BeOS R6 from Palm at full price.

    That means Palm have to make $100/ copy, which after release engineering, manufacturing, packaging and delivery is more like $150 per user.

    So your plan is that users pay $150 for BeOS R5 plus (unfinished) BONE plus (unfinished) OpenGL plus minor bugfixes elsewhere, in a box labelled “BeOS R6″

    Yet it seems like only months since Scot Hacker proudly announced that Be Inc. planned to ship BONE and OpenGL “within months” of the R5 release as a free upgrade.
    So my conclusion is that you believe (and want Palm to believe) that BeOS users are suckers with their wallets open and straw between their ears. Odd, now that I see it that way your story makes a lot more sense.

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 09/08/2001 10:34:52 PM

    Re: Amiga and OS/2

    Hello Nutcase,

    The reason why we keep the Amiga alive is because it did things much more intelligently as compared to today`s platforms.

    We have looked at every other solution and we are still mostly unimpressed by the way many things are done. Just because nobody seems to have the talent to make us happy, we intent to do it ourselves instead. We know it takes time to do it right, but please keep an open mind as we are working with some of the top developers within the tech industry of today.

    It`s just so unremarkable how computers have developed. For instance these “things” keeps becoming more slower almost every year, sometimes taking minutes to just boot, however an old 50 mhz Amiga can boot up easily into a 1024×768 24bit desktop in less than 5 seconds. Come on people, computers are supposed to get faster not slower! The only big development of the last 5 years seems to have been 3D graphics and Internet capabilities. 3D graphics is something we can easily reproduce when fitting modern 3D cards into classic and future Amigas. Modern Internet capabilities aren`t so hard to support as well if you`re having the right partners. Gladly Amiga will be at the internet technology forefront together with some very innovative companies.

    The first Amiga successes will be in the handheld computing market. The desktop will be much more difficult because of the current monopoly. But as our technology advances within the embedded market our desktop strategy will benefit as well.

    Sincerely, Mike Bouma.

  29. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/09/2001 01:07:58 AM

    Re: Amiga and OS/2

    Mike,

    In my previous comment, you may have noticed where i stated:


    Just to clear it up again, I LIKE AMIGA AND OS/2. They were great technologies. And maybe one or the other will make a comeback as a new system, proving everyone wrong. It would be nice. But it doesnt invalidate the humor in using antiquated, no longer up to date software/hardware just because it rocked at the time.

    To clarify, the joke is involving the OLD hardware. Not the new amiga hardware/os that is in development. If that happens, it would be a good thing, like I said before. It would be nice. No one is belittling the original Amigas or OS/2, or insulting the tech. You may have noticed I complimented it and called it ahead of its time. We are joking about the fact that people can’t let go of the old versions and move on. That joke does not include any potential NEW versions of the OS, which I am sure will be as modern and up to date as the competitors.

    As I have said before, dont take it so seriously. It’s not personal. I plan on devoting almost all of my time to an OS which at the moment is nearing the same fate as the original amiga and OS/2. I hope to reverse that trend, but any effort at this point faces a LOT of hurdles. Its an absurd thing to commit to in my current situation, but I am doing it anyway. I can laugh at myself for that. It’s funny. I also think it’s worth it. But I don’t take myself so seriously.
    [Edited at 2:09 Sep 9 2001 by Nutcase]

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 09/08/2001 6:18:53 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    If you had ever booted into W2K you had figured that you need not reboot for changing IPs….

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 5:46:39 PM

    AtheOS

    The problem with AtheOS is its too young. Those BeOS
    users that depend on BeOS for their primary OS, can’t
    really switch to AtheOS because it doesn’t have apps
    and its hardware support is pretty minimal. If more
    than one dev was working on it, or if it were a few years
    older, I’m sure it would be a viable alternative to
    BeOS.

  32. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:02:56 PM

    Re: let her die …

    Give us/me/him a brake, would you?

    The guy IS a freaking genius! :)
    The guy created this OS all by himself.
    And of course is substandard, it’s alpha quality software what you expect: a full blown comercial OS out of a single guy?
    Actually I got it running in my box and I can tell that it’s very interesting

    Give it time…

    regards

  33. moldava Says:

    Sad, bad true?

    Sorry, ain’t gonna happen here, I’ll keep using BeOS not matter what. It’s just too good to let it go.
    Don’t count with my support in the “Die with dignity” campaign :)
    Besides, why kill a healthy OS? It’s live and kicking in my box!

  34. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/09/2001 03:17:20 AM

    Re: AtheOS

    I think people missed my point.

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 2:03:57 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    I don’t have access to be share, we are havily firewalled out from this sort of things. But, I would really like to download the stuff…

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 12:33:53 AM

    Re: What?

    Wait a minute.. this is Mike Popovich, of BeDope fame… it’s all just a joke. You would know if you followed BeDOpe. Don’t take any of this seriously, we all know that Amiga was magnificient, and not a joke. Actually, most of the BeOS community are Amiga fans.

  37. abouza Says:

    In Response To moldava @ 09/09/2001 05:00:37 AM

    Re: Sad, bad true?

    Escribo esto desde el sur del planeta para que todas las personas que puedan y deseen leerlo lo hagan.
    Pienso que hablar de la muerte de BeOS es un acto de cobardía frente a los monopolios desastrosos que manejan los mercados de Hardware y software. BeOS funciona muy bien, es extremadamente estable y lamento escuchar de muchos pesimistas augurios de muerte sobre un sistema que se encuentra bien concebido desde su raíz, que sin ser necesariamente un sistema Open Source está adecuadamente documentado para que podamos sentirnos cómodos al desarrollar aplicaciones y que en última instancia permite que mantengamos la esencia de lo que se espera de un Sistema Operativo: Confiabilidad, Utilidad, Alto Rendimiento, Tiempos de espera reducidos y LIBERTAD….. sobre todas las cosas LIBERTAD.
    ARÍSTIDES

  38. abouza Says:

    To Be or not to Be……. (who matters on dying?)

    Escribo esto desde el sur del planeta (Argentina) para que todas las personas que puedan y deseen leerlo lo hagan.
    Pienso que hablar de la muerte de BeOS es un acto de cobardía frente a los monopolios desastrosos que manejan los mercados de Hardware y software. BeOS funciona muy bien, es extremadamente estable y lamento escuchar de muchos pesimistas augurios de muerte sobre un sistema que
    se encuentra bien concebido desde su raíz, que sin ser necesariamente un sistema Open Source está adecuadamente documentado para que podamos sentirnos cómodos al desarrollar aplicaciones en él y que en última instancia permite que mantengamos la esencia de lo que se espera de un Sistema Operativo: Confiabilidad, Utilidad, Alto Rendimiento, Tiempos de espera reducidos y LIBERTAD….. sobre todas las cosas LIBERTAD.
    ARÍSTIDES

  39. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I stopped using BeOS a while ago, but I just ordered two BeOS R5 packages GoBe and other stuff from Mensys. I am gonna kick till we have a new version. There is a potential market out there and Palm is possibly willing to assist.

  40. jp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 03:09:06 AM

    Re: Get BEOS going again

    BeOS was doing well for what it had as far as hardware support is concerned until the Be Inc. focus shift. It’s not as if BeOS has been around a decade and growing leaps-and-bounds on a single stable platform with a ton of OS engineers. I would put BeOs at about the three year old level as fas as active development is concerned.

    What it lacked in software was due to a rather small user base which failed to attract the big software houses. But even the app shortage would have been overcome with time if it were not for Microsoft’s illegal monopolistic practices. I know many are going to say, “Microsoft wasn’t the problem. Be Inc. failed to attract developers and OEMs and didn’t market it properly”. Really? If you were around before the Windows days, you probably remember a couple of DOS applications like Lotus 123 and Word Perfect. They were the defacto standard in the PC office software field but where are they today? They’re probably not on your PC with Windows today (unless you’re a lawyer) because Microsoft decided it wanted to write not only the OS but everything else that you use on a PC more than a decade ago. That’s been their agenda and they succeeded.

    They succeeded by buying out the competition, by making it difficult for their competitors software to work properly on the OS, or play with the customers minds by giving them the impression that the Microsoft product has to work better on the Microsoft OS. That was true (by design) and after all it’s written by the same folks who wrote the OS. Just look at how (more) often the competitors software crashes with a Unexpected Application Error than the Microsoft product.

    The result of all these practices is that today when you buy a PC it comes with a Microsoft OS and maybe MS Word and MS Excel as well. In fact it’s rather difficult to by a PC from a OEM without it. What’s more, try not paying for it even if you don’t want it. You’re not given the option of having Lotus 123 or Word Perfect installed anymore because the competition has been crushed and Microsoft tells the OEM “it’s our way or the highway”. But no one can tell me that Lotus 123’s and Word Perfect’s programmers suddenly became a bunch of morons and that Microsoft’s are all Einsteins when it came to writing Windows apps and that’s why the 123’s and Word Perfects of this world are all but gone.

    Most people seem willing to turn a blind eye toward Microsoft because they don’t think they’ve done anything wrong and they like the warm and fuzzy felling they get when the pay their bi-annual or annual updates to MS. But as I watched Microsoft during the past 15 years or so, I can’t help but think about what if things had been different. What if MS had decided back then to only be a OS company? Would the 123’s and Word Perfects of this world still exist and be popular? Would there be even more spreadsheets and word processors out there today? I think so and I think there’d still be a BeOS, Amiga, and OS/2 around too. There are alot of people in the world and maybe a few 100 million might like a choice in OSs and apps. Choice is good. Mmmmm, choice.

    What this all boils down to is that I hope BeOS continues. If it doesn’t I guess I’ll be joining the OpenBeOS project. I want a choice.

    Once upon a time Be Dev ID 2265

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/09/2001 6:21:24 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    In case you didn’t know, Mensys is getting rid of product stock that will be UNSALABLE in a couple of weeks/months. I mean, an almost 90% drop in price should tell you at least that either:

    - They’ve been ripping off everyone by being expensive in the first place

    - They’re getting rid of dead stock

    Now go buy a couple of more boxes of R5, you will help them out, you will not help the “prove there is still a viable BeOS market out there” camp. You had your chance for that 3 years ago.

  42. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS? In hospital?

    Mike,

    The BeOS is a frickin operating system. And it happens to be the best by a long chalk so far. I guess you may be one of these religious fanatics trying to impress with fancy rhetoric and metaphors. You could perhaps thump the BeOS Bible as you strut the stage delivering prophesies of doom and impending Armageddon. But, like them, everything you say is your own interpretation delivered in your own rather gratuitous way. Its not relevant to anyone else. And when you strip the story away what do you actually say beneath it?

    Please just say what you mean simply, and try to avoid the sort of emotive crap that makes this BeOS supporter embarassed. BeOS kicks ass. It’s a very hairy-bottomed thing! If you must make stories how about casting the BeOS in the Robocop role? Yeah, BeoCop finds himself temporarily immobilised type thing. But guess what? In the end sequence, BeoCop comes back to kick ass. Better than Planet of the Apes anyday.

    Anyway, emotional crap aside, the BeOS is simply the best OS out there and no amount of flowery, tepid, melodramatic exhibitionism is going to persuade those of us who recognize this to become blind, brain-dead apostles of some junky second-best if we can humanly help it.

    But I do thank you for helping to get folk talking and thinking about the BeOS. More of that may help, but spare us the irrelevant stuff, eh?

  43. moldava Says:

    In Response To abouza @ 09/09/2001 2:29:05 PM

    Re: To Be or not to Be……. (who matters on dying?)

    Amén!

    Absolutamente de acuerdo.
    Como dije antes, mi BeOS no está muriendo, está vivito y coleando en mi máquina!
    Lástima que no escribiste en inglés, no se si hay muchos hispanoparlantes por estos lados.

    Saludos desde Uruguay!

  44. moldava Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/09/2001 10:51:15 PM

    Re: BeOS? In hospital?

    Ok but it’s a joke! don’t take it so hard, it ’s suppossed to be fun.

  45. capoccia Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 3:44:49 PM

    BONE, OpenGL and Media Kit betas

    if you weren’t posting anonymously, i’d email you where to find them. but i’m not about to post it to a public forum.

  46. Anonymous Says:

    Them is fight’n words!!

    I cant believe this useless crap flowing around: To those of you who say”LET BEOS DIE”, you must be micropuke supporters,contributing to my personal ANTI-CHRIST’s evil plan ,serving as a collective conscious much like the BORG!.Isn’t it much too soon to make any logical decisions or hypothesis concerning BeOS and it’s future? I for one will fight the good fight,BeOS is by far the greatest O/S,& to imply that it’s loyal users should just walk away,let the ship sink,(note: a ship!)and pretend it never was, thats simply friggin’ insane!
    I have too much respect for BeOS,it’s users/the folks who have worked so hard and still are.and my HARD DRIVE! So go on your way if your done…but i have a feeling ..many of us are just getting started.

  47. bkakes Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/09/2001 02:08:17 AM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    …or XP. Not to mention that with Windows 2k and XP you can have more than one IP address per network card, so I can, for example, have a real IP address but also be able to access other computers at my house which are being masqueraded.

  48. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To abouza @ 09/09/2001 2:29:05 PM

    Re: To Be or not to Be……. (who matters on dying?)

    I write this from the south of the planet (Argentina) so that all the people that can and wishes to read it do it. I think that to speak of the death of BeOS it is an act of cowardice in front of the disastrous monopolies that handle the markets of Hardware and software. BeOS works very or, is extremely stable and moan to listen of many pessimistic auguries of death on a system that is or conceived from its root, that without being necessarily a system Open Source suitably is documented so that we pruned to feel comfortable when developing applications to us in him and who in last instance it allows that we maintain the essence of which is expected of an Operating system: Reliability, Utility, High performance, Times of delay reduced and to FREEDOM….. on all the things FREEDOM. ARÍSTIDES

  49. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To moldava @ 09/09/2001 11:45:41 PM

    Re: To Be or not to Be……. (who matters on dying?)

    Amen! Absolutely in agreement. As I said before, my BeOS is not dying, is vivito and fishtailing in my machine! Pity which you did not write in English, not if there are many Spanish speakers by these sides. Greetings from Uruguay!

  50. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I for one, plan on using the BeOS as long as is feasible.

    After that, I’m not really sure. Face it, we’ve all be spoiled by this baby, and no matter what I just don’t see an acceptable replacement comming from any type of open-source movement. IMHO.

    Just my two cents.

    BeOS, you have influenced my thinking about OS’s. Thank you.

    Thank you to all the current and former Be Engineers who helped work on her… your time was not wasted. You opened the eyes of many. Thanks.

    -Bryan Varner

  51. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/09/2001 9:51:19 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    For your notice: I did buy BeOS R4.5 and R5 Pro. So I did vote with my wallet. I am hoping for a revival
    which can be in a few forms:

    - Palm BeOS
    - An opensource version of BeOS
    - A BeOS clone

    In all forms I have an advantage buying BeOS software
    at Mensys. If there won’t be a new vesion, I can
    still use this wonderfull OS for maybe one or two years…

  52. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 02:06:37 AM

    Re: Them is fight’n words!!

    AOL

  53. Anonymous Says:

    Beos The Future

    How about Palm releasing BeOs as Open Source, and we can all make additions (ala Linux) to this wonderful OS

  54. juswhitaker Says:

    In Response To abouza @ 09/09/2001 2:29:05 PM

    Re: To Be or not to Be……. (who matters on dying?)

    Gracias para sus palabras! Eso es el pura verdad!

  55. juswhitaker Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 09:16:00 AM

    Re: Beos The Future

    You can still make additons now, like everyone is doing on Open Source stuff.

    Only thing we don’t really have access to is the kernel, at least, not officially! Everything else we can engineer ourselves, is BE/Palm is not interested. For my part, I’m in this for the long haul…

  56. juswhitaker Says:

    Ain’t Dead Yet

    All-

    Over the weekend, I put windows back on my machine, loaded partition magic, and set about loading linux and BE on my Inspirion. Here’s what I found:

    I am way spoiled by BE.

    I have several different linux distributions lying around (Mandrake 8.0, RH 7.0 and 7.1, Suse 7.1 Pro, FreeBSD, a burned copy of Debian), and I tried them all, one by one.

    Maybe it’s just me, but linux can, and does, take quite some time to load, and once loaded, it may be as stable as a rock, but it also moves like one. And once there, you start to realize something. The only thing it has going for it is:

    1) More apps
    2) Better hardware support

    Which got me thinking. The apps and hardware support came about in Linux because some bunch of mad fools said: Linus, you are on to something, we just need _______(inster your pet gripe here), and I’m going to help by building it. That’s all. Nothing heroic, just something revolutionary: there is an operating system I like, and I am going to contribute.

    You know, most of the Linux stuff could be ported to BE. Most of the libraries that Linux programs use are part of BE as well. We don’t have a real solution for java, X, etc…but we could get there. We could also support every piece of hardware existant, if someone were to develop drivers for them. That’s what happened 10 years ago, and now, the linux kernel supports everything from PDA’s, to massive mainframes.

    Drop on by linux.com, and read some of the recent postings on linux’s 10th anniversary, and you will some something interesting. Lots of bellyaching about the same sort of things that we bellyache about, only rather than abandoning their OS of choice, they try to do something to make it better.

    So, here is to the geniuses at BE. JLG, and all, thank you for spoiling us with a fine operating system, and showing us the way. To all who have developed for BE, your efforts have been appreciated by all of us, and has provided ample inspiration for our own projects.

    We can take it from here.

  57. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 09/10/2001 11:05:57 AM

    Re: Ain’t Dead Yet

    Hmm… this is so much like the experience I had with my Amiga when Commodore went down. I guess Gasse was right that BeOS was Amiga96 (or should I say 2001).

    Letsee you have a kick ass OS (for its time), a parent company that ceases to exist. People jumping ship or clutching their BeOS boxes refusing to let go. Meanwhile another company comes along and buys up the IP (Palm for Be, Gateway for Amiga) and provides some tepid statement of support (more like “we’ll think about it”.

    Meanwhile the competition will make gains on your beloved OS while it flounders for another two years. In the end, you realize that no “cool OS” cuts it today without a sizable market to support it, or any real developers making apps for it.

    So in the end let someone who’s been there before give you some advice. If you love BeOS and it works on your PC with the apps you need, keep using it! If you are losing sleep at night or living on the words of some small rinky dink company saying you’ll have a new OS in two more weeks, move on!

  58. juswhitaker Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 1:31:20 PM

    Re: Ain’t Dead Yet

    Hmmm, you forgot that the “herd” menatlity runs deep in computer users…..no “cool os” would ever really gain traction because the public at large thinks that the dominant player’s standard is “good enough”. To me, that speaks volumes about the computer industry, and the public at large. To me, spending 2500 on a computer system that has an OS that crashed every 5 minutes is completely unacceptable. When you drop BE on you system, it’s like taking a 4 cylinder mustang (yes, they make those, go check it out!)and dropping the GT’s 5 liter V8 in it’s place. IT’s like: “oh, so that’s what they were talking about!”

    Right now, there are 130 different linux distributions, based off of some version (2.4.5 or 2.2.18) of the linux kernel which is maintained by Linus himself, and a “kernel” team. Seems to me that noone really needs BE to be existant, so long as we have a kernel to develop. Now, what kernel that is is a genuine cause for debate, since there are at least 4 inititives that I know of that are all using different kernels. That is going to be damaging, as a whole, to the BE cause, but is not a completely errant step in the right direction.

    Either way, BE stays as my primary OS, period. I’m looking at porting some software over from Linux, a new emulator for ‘doze, and several hardware drivers. As far as I am concerned, nothing that I need would have been supplied by BE anyway, unless BE6 had all those things built in.

    I’ll join the ranks of developers that still use their Atari’s, Commodores, Amigas, and maybe even Macs, and develop programs for it.

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To capoccia @ 09/10/2001 00:39:14 AM

    Re: BONE, OpenGL and Media Kit betas

    So you admit to leaking beta’s in a public forum while being logged in. You’re not to smart are you?

    :PPPP

  60. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS

    Although I am currently using Windows, BeOS is the Best OS I have ever used. Even better than Linux, simply because Digital Media is this OS’s specialty. Someone needs to keep this OS alive, and who knows maybe one day it will even become a very dangerous rival to M$ Windowz.

  61. sparklecitydv Says:

    Why!?!?

    Why would such a great Operating System as BeOS want to die???

    I have never seen such a magnificent OS as BeOS. With a few more key items, it could put MacOS, Windows and Linus/Unix to shame. Heck, it already does!

    I love BeOS, and if it can start supporting all WinModems/SoftModems I would ditch Windows altogether.

    Keep it going guys!!! We need to bring down the giants!!!

    A grateful newbie.

  62. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To sparklecitydv @ 09/10/2001 5:53:48 PM

    Winmodems

    Well you can now safely burn your copy of Windows. BeOS works with Winmodems*.

    * Those based on LUCENT or PCTel chipsets (VERY Common, most Winmodems based on these chipsets are ubetween $12 and $35 dollars).

    A quick search for “winmodems” on pricewatch.com shows a Lucent based PCI V.90 for a ten spot (USD).

  63. Anonymous Says:

    KEEP IT ALIVE

    I say we keep BeOS alive get more Hardware support and software. IF we can push it to make Computer manufacturers put it on a line of computers and ppl get a taste of the Be Operating System they’ll LOVE IT!!!

  64. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To moldava @ 09/09/2001 11:52:13 PM

    Re: BeOS? In hospital?

    Point taken,

    I just get a little irritated by such a negative attitude. And I hate people who become so emotive about such issues: in fact, when I come across such pointless fanatical prostletizing I just want to grab them by the throat, beat them to within and inch of their lives with a baseball bat, murder their wives and families, smash their……ooooerr

    THUD

  65. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 09/10/2001 11:05:57 AM

    Re: Ain’t Dead Yet

    Ditto.

    Couldn’t have put it better myself. I too have visited various flavours of Linux (including those you mentioned - my personal favourite was Mandrake) until I realised that X-windows couldn’t drive my humble graphics card (Riva TNT) out of the garage while BeOS (and Yes, even the Doze ‘98) could make the old git sparkle yet. Etc. But I do really like the Open source principles.

    The BeOS has spoilt me too. The sexy little bastard won’t let go too easy.

    I whole-heartedly endorse you thanking those developers and zealots who have made BeOS an even more enjoyable and capable system for all of us. And I won’t listen to shit that volunteers to scrap all that work at the drop of a hat.

  66. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 3:44:49 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    You are looking in the wrong places. Use the resources that Be gives you.
    Don’t simply open a web browser and search for “bone” or “opengl”…

  67. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 09/10/2001 03:11:55 AM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Yet every little piece of software insists you reboot first. Every other item on Windows Update requires that you reboot before downloading any others.

    Win2K is just about as stable as Win9x and NT, so you’ll be rebooting anyway. My BeOS server (hit by Code Red more times than I care to even guess) only gets rebooted when the power goes out or the ancient 420M hard drive it runs on fails to start up from power-save mode (once a month or so). I don’t think I’ve ever seen Windows do that . . .

    And it’s running on a POS VIA chipset which Win98 couldn’t make sense of even after a bunch of patches. :P So how great is Win2K again?

    -SirNickity

  68. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 11:48:28 PM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Why is everyone so pissy when someone posts a simple message?

    geez

    OK, there ARE lots of people willing to pay for BeOS.. not because they can’t get BONE/OGL from BeSahre, but because they’d like to *SUPPORT THE PROJECT*.. could you really not figure that out? I find it hard to believe you didn’t even suspect that to be the case..

    Second, who said they have to make back $11M? Isn’t $20 revenue better than $0?

    -SirNickity

  69. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead.

    There is no point in bickering over Be’s fine technology. It’s widely known and admired. However, applications and end-users drive the market and BeOS lacks both and with the government pulling its attack on MS, any competing OS has ZERO chance of dual booting beside Windows from an OEM. That means there will not be any serious competition for MS from anyone other than Apple. (Take Linux and BSD and shove it, OK - My Mom can’t boot and e-mail in Linux and she can run an iMac, that goes for the MAJORITY of computer users out there) So, BeOS is dead. You can keep piddling around on it if you want, download your DIVX movies off BeShare and look at porn in Milo, but the fact remains BeOS has been assimilated. Give Palm time to do their thing and see what they bring to the table, it may be worthwhile, it may be nothing more than a fancy handheld. But there is no future for BeOS - if Be couldn’t do it with millions of dollars and 5 star engineers, a handful of Be enthusiasts with a Linux kernel and NO BeOS core technology aren’t going to make it happen now. The only true alternative to Windoze is OS X, it runs real applications supported by real companies with interfaces and help files most anyone can use. Maybe someday someone will take on Microsoft again on x86, but with MS having the support of the White House, it’s not likely to happen anytime soon. BeOS is dead. Let her die. All the screaming, ranting and flaming in the world won’t change that.

  70. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/12/2001 10:47:09 AM

    goodbye

    the world is changing faster than i can keep up with it. beos dying, the world trade centers falling, the pentagon being crushed. what is this world coming to? i will keep on running beos as long as i can. linux, in my view, has tried to become windows, and failed, like a normal upgrade of microsofts beast. machintoshes (i know i spelt it wrong…) will continue, beos will continue, windows will continue, linux will continue, life will continue. lets hope ww3 doesn’t start. :( (email me keot@runbox.com please, i dont visit here often…)

  71. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/12/2001 10:47:09 AM

    Re: BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead.

    I realize in light of the unfortunate happenings in our great nation ,the future of a simple O/S such as BeOS may seem so penile at the moment,however i am reminded that BeOS is more than code…software,hardware etc..It’s a choice
    and an alternative,It’s home and something too many people have invested into.Be.inc in my opinion couldnt find there rear ends with a flashlight when it came down to marketing,If it had focused its attention on building a competative O/S rather than some useless appliance ,we wouldnt be here replying to”BeOS seeks a graceful death” forums.And seriously feel that any one who thinks it couldnt become a competetor in the market”not that theres one left”
    has probebly never booted Be up.

  72. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/12/2001 01:44:40 AM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    The problem is that revenue will be less than expenses. Cost of distribution (CD’s or bandwidth costs), cost of tech support AND THE MOST IMPORTANT — COST OF DELAY IN COMPLETING PalmOS 5.0.

    Palm Inc. has announced to Wall Street that they will be releasing PalmOS 5.0 by the end of 2002. That’s 15 months for adding multithread and all the multimedia staff into PalmOS, port it to StrongARM, build all the developer tools and beta test it for deployment in 15 months.

    Each day in delaying the launch of PalmOS 5.0 will cost Palm Inc. valuable market shares to Microsoft and Palm Inc. will lose a lot more than what BeOS/BeIA can bring in ~~~~ that’s why Palm Inc. was unwilling to support Sony’s evilla beyond an emergency period EVEN IF SONY IS WILLING TO PAY PALM INC. MONEY FOR EVILLA SUPPORT. Palm Inc. was unwilling to let even 1 single ex-Be engineer to support evilla because that engineer can speed up the developer of PalmOS 5.0.

  73. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/12/2001 6:38:02 PM

    Re: BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead.

    I booted Be and it blowz.

  74. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/13/2001 4:04:13 PM

    Re: BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead.

    Mr. Bill Gates,what ever in the world are you doing posting on a “be” site,come on now be honest..you just cant admit your envy,thats ok i think windoze blowz..or WINBLOWS!As do many …many more.Happy anti-virus’ing.

  75. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 07:21:37 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Seems to me that just becouse the mother ship has blown up us aliens shouldnt have to surrender?It seems so simple to me,a solution to keep beos in the box and growing isnt that difficult to produce.Crap in a few short years it came so far,given a few more with continuous innovation it could easily become a dominant O/S. The only thing i see lacking for normal users is Java,everyones focus is on what the masterminds behind apps can get and do…maybe if the O/S was redirected towards morons like me it would have done better??
    Normal users will never use linux ,why? all ya wanna do is boot up, chat and play games.(without the blue screen of death).And honestly i enjoy computers but…allot of have lives away from them,and would rather not hassle with the BS!

  76. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/12/2001 01:44:40 AM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    Is your statement that there ARE (implies certainty) lots of people ready to buy BeOS R6 in whatever state backed up by evidence?

    No anecdotes please.
    In answer to the question about $11M, the original poster said $11M. I tried for $1M and found the results still implausible. Palm aren’t going to make any (significant) money on BeOS.

    $20 revenue? Even imagining that you meant profit that’s not acceptable. People are looking for ROI, return on investment. If you tell them you spent a million dollars and you got back $20 extra they’ll divest so quickly your head will spin. If they wanted miserable interest they’d keep the money in a cheque account.

    The reason people are “pissy” is that the original poster was clueless and righteous, the most irritating combination. He took the opportunity to act as arm-chair CEO for Palm, to slag off Linux for being “tied to its kernel” (which is a null sentence) and to trumpet his own ignorance.
    I just took the opportunity to spin his argument around — doesn’t the willingness of BeOS users to buy a bad product at a sky-high price indicate that they were fools all along?

  77. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 9:50:40 PM

    Re: KEEP IT ALIVE

    At the moment i see an unfortunate devide somehow between beos supporters within and outside its dedicated community.I cant understand the debate on many levels,given the fact that beos has undoubtably proven its superiority and ability,that in many ways could have risen above many of our expectations,and contended with its huge corperate rivals,BeOS development was halted
    and its future was thrown away,Unfortunatly,leaving many of its users looking at the screen of what seems to be a dead O/S.However,the BeOS is not suffering,and has only lost its financial support(for now)i can only hope that the mindless hypocrisy surrounding our great O/S,is ignored,and those who are able and willing to find real solutions and contributions pertaining to the future of BeOS,will do so:)
    If (ha ha ha ha) the giant fell and windows was gone, would it sign a D.N.R,would its user base disappear?So find the solution,import java and port away every damn app available.(I would also like to take this oportunity to not only send my condolences to those who were related to the unfortunate mishappenings this week,but also send my best wishes and hopes for those of you who may be called to defend the world,and those who’s hearts are burdened)

  78. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 03:27:57 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    I don’t think he means that OS/2 was a joke, I think he means that to cling to OS/2 long after it stopped being developed was silly. OS/2 was a *great* OS, and if logic ruled the marketplace, it would have wiped out Windows before BeOS was even conceived. If OS/2 had found the success it deserved, Be would probably never have been launched, because there wouldn’t have been an “obese, fragile” OS on the desktops of the world.

  79. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/14/2001 00:31:40 AM

    Orphan

    Proprietary software development costs a lot of money. Be Inc. spent well over $100M before it finally went into a death spiral.

  80. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/14/2001 08:55:28 AM

    Re: BeOS dying??

    “…doesn’t the willingness of BeOS users to buy a bad product at a sky-high price indicate that they were fools all along?”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    So…um…what does that say about Windows users?

    I, for one, am not a fool - simply willing to pay the going rate for a better product.

  81. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/15/2001 04:28:46 AM

    Re: Orphan

    agreed,however be.inc as much as i hate to say it couldnt sell a product if a torch was burnin there butts! So, so much money was spent i have to believe that much of that money was directed towards the infamous appliances that have bombed.And no one really wants anyway…I still feel that if the company had stayed focused on BeOS it would or could have made greater strides,given the actual trend of selling a product would have actually occured.boot up another OS and go to yahoo chat,youll be suprised how many people still have no idea that beos even existed,why????becouse the only people who no beos are folks who look,its been hidden as far as im concerned from the public,my mother, brother son wife all use the OS becouse they feel more safe and comfortable with beos,the reason they use it …becouse i do,otherwise they would have no clue…so all the bullcrap still rolls down hill,redirect_refocus,and re- attempt BEOS!!!

  82. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/12/2001 10:47:09 AM

    OS-ex or MS squishy

    I see no difference. MS is so slow it takes a while for a BSOD. The new applez boot fast and crash just as fast. Linux is like having to put a jet engine to push a child’s wagon. BeOS booted FAST, ran FAST, almost never came to a full crash. Media was built in. Why wouldn’t anyone with more tech smarts that Granny love this. I knew OS/2 was great in 88 and it took until now for MS to steal the true good points. Nothing beats the core concept for BeOS. Yes, even GREAT ideas sometimes fail under stupid people. Palm owes it to the world to release R6 either in per copy or open source. If they ever wanted to strike at the heart of MS, now is the time. Free BeOS R6. It is like Charlton Heston saying “Free my people!”

  83. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/16/2001 9:39:46 PM

    Re: OS-ex or MS squishy

    Much respect for your opinions ,on behalf of myself and my bebox,I may be a hardheaded rebel but BeOS can come back from this if its users gunny up,brass there balls and fight a little harder and stop listening to the moronic bull everyone seems to be spewing out.So Be.inc screwed up?BeOS itself is fine and will remain that way for a while.Lets all hope PALM can see a good thing!

  84. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/13/2001 8:07:51 PM

    Re: BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead.

    I’m not Bill Gates. Your clueless as my aunt Sophie. It ain’t happened in 11 years and it ain’t happening now. There’s not even a person working on BeOS anymore and there hasn’t been for a long time. Take your dead OS and put it where the cold wind blows. I could give a rat’s tooth of cold gelatin about it. You don’t have a web browser, or even an office suite anymore… there’s no new Productive for BeOS is there, tale-tell licker head? No. You got nothing but a pretty icon of some square dudes. Just like all the squares you dudes you all most certainly is. Your momma. I give a rat’s tooth remember. BeOS is dead. Geeky dorks using it can’t get laid and don’t want to. Take your BeOS and write your COUT << “Hello World!” programs. Play your dumb quake 2. I could give a rat’s tooth. Dead beat losers, have a great day surfing in bepositive! -madman

  85. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/16/2001 9:39:46 PM

    Re: OS-ex or MS squishy

    You don’t know what you are talking about. The OS you speak of officially doesn’t exist. Be won’t exist in the near future. Palm could not care less about competing with MS and 3000 names on the stupid BeFaqs page won’t help you one dang bit. Personally, I question your poeple’s ability to function intellectually, when you regularly slam MS and Apple, but they are the only people making a truly usable PLATFORM with lots of APPLICATIONS. “Geez… I gotz me this fancy fast BeOS, that’s basically not finished, has no Open GL and poor networking. Geez… it really rocks running these demos that come with it. Check out how fast seti runs. Isn’t that cool. Gee I wish I could do something productive with my time, but I don’t have any software to run. Poor me. Be rulez!”

  86. Anonymous Says:

    Why not help Atheos?

    Since BeOS is indeed no more, maybe some of the coders here (and bug testers) could help the guy out who’s written the Atheos OS almost single-handedly. It’s very early on in development, but has been designed from the ground up as a desktop OS (much like BeOS). Best of all, unlike Be’s offering, Atheos is open source, so eveyone could help make it something really special!

  87. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/17/2001 11:51:50 PM

    Re: OS-ex or MS squishy

    “Gee I wish I could do something productive with my time, but I don’t have any software to run.”

    Hmmm…I wonder where all my disk space went, then, since I don’t have anything useable on my PC - wow, I must have been dreaming about the music I’ve been making with Sequitur & XRS…I wonder where all those docs I wrote with Gobe Productive really are…I guess the games I was playing were imagined, too…and the web pages I created…maybe I don’t really own a computer…of course, that doesn’t explain how I was able to open an email virus attachment from my wife’s Windows box & verify that it was in fact a virus…

    If I’m dreaming, don’t wake me.

  88. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/17/2001 3:00:15 PM

    Re: BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead.

    Wow - a lot of hostility there!

    How come you continue hanging around the newsgroups of a dead OS that you don’t give a rat’s tooth about?

    I guess there were no freeware versions of “A Life” that you could get, huh?

    Do us a favor - spring for the CD version…

  89. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/18/2001 4:03:26 PM

    You ain’t got no software - dream on be loser!

    PUUUHHLEASE………. get with the program Jack, you ain’t got nothing on there worthy of this crappy “Save BeOS” nerds-r-us campaign. Windows is pretty crappy in it’s design and it’s security. Viri abound… gee, I wonder… would there be viri for Be if everyone ran BeOS? Duh frigging squared. You’d have to be on life support or in the ground to argue that one. At any rate, the software option alone makes Windows much more attractive than BeOS. Besides… all that software you have, that’s it… there ain’t no more… no new Doom, no new Wolfenstein, no diablo 2 no ALice no game ever. SO if you are happy paying Quake 1 in software rendering, then be my guest you can keep running BeOS til Hades freezes over with sweat from Britney’s breasts. Personally, I am rather enjoying Quake 3 and ALice on OS X and it stomps BeOS in the ground. THousands of apps, it’s a TRUE UNIX and it has an interface that no one else will match in the next five years. Get a clue. The company folded. THere is NO RELEASE 6 and there never will be. Grow up you pimply faced geeks. Dreaming over what might have been is like dreaming about when you might get some. Never. -madman

  90. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/18/2001 4:06:13 PM

    Best response so far

    Wow… the CD version. I like that. One I will have to remember. :^) Doesn’t change the fact Be is as dead as all the other dead people and things out there. I do like BeOS, I am just so sick of this crappy drivel, “Be ROCKS!! We CAN SAVE IT!!” All from nerds that didn’t even care to buy the Pro version. And what’s up with GoBE not releasing the new Productive on BeOS? Doesn’t that say it all? -Madman

  91. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/18/2001 05:28:23 AM

    Or not…

    Or not.

  92. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/18/2001 4:21:41 PM

    Re: You ain’t got no software - dream on be loser!

    1) I couldn’t care less about Doom, Quake, etc - I use my computer for working more than playing adolescent shooter games.

    2) There is new software posted EVERY DAY at Bebits - good quality stuff made by people who care about what they’re doing.

    3) Attacking people for your own amusement is childish. The barrage of insults from your posts merely expose the fact that you have nothing to say.

    4) I am not dreaming - that’s the point. My computer is very useful to me, and will be for some time to come.

    And - I wonder why Mac freaks all of a sudden are trumpeting OS X as “a true UNIX!” as if it is supposed to be the end-all benchmark of quality? I like UNIX, & I used UNIX long before Apple got ahold of it (and still do). UNIX is great - but it didn’t keep me from going to BeOS.

  93. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/18/2001 5:26:31 PM

    Re: You ain’t got no software - dream on be loser!

    Nothing new on BeBits worthy of mention other than BeSHare and what good is that when nobody shares anything anymore. No pron, no mp3 no movies… all the illegal stuff everyone was using it for in the first place. But I digress, I give up.. you can have your BeOS. But six months from now when the 1000 active people in the community are onto Kournikova Linux or OS X or whatever else is new, remember me when you FDISK YOUR BFS PARTITION OUT OF VIRTUAL REALITY FOREVER. What’s really sad is 1000 people can only get 3000 to sign those stupid keep BeOS alive requests. MS was considering dropping Mac Office and they sell like 500,000 copies of it ea. version. Palm isn’t touching a BeOS release. :^)

  94. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/12/2001 10:47:09 AM

    Re: BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead.?????

    I am wondering why all these snot nosed,punk morons are even on a BeOS site,trying to preach to the converted in the first place?If one doesnt like BeOS fine you are intitled to your opinion(you may be an idiot)but its a free country.No linux,apple,winblows user’s opinions have any bearing on me what so ever,,BeOS must kick butt if users from other O/S’s have so much time they can wonder over and post a comment?When they arent even running Be.So sorry…but that boat wont float,go back to your worthless games,and your slow,bulky,crashing units,while us hopeless be’ers comfortably laugh at your stupidity……..and envy!!!

  95. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/17/2001 3:00:15 PM

    Re: to the smart azz,with no brains

    Im so impressed by the useless post…Do you think your opinion of BeOS really means jack shit to anyone,do you think that somehow you have enlightened us,and now we will suddenly see something?To me it’s obvious that you are not a be user,Be users are actually intelligent.If BeoS is such a wast of time why are you on a BeOS site,posting crap here and there,actually under the impression that any of its users will care?Do you think we havent heard the news,,do you think you have the answers?get real jackass!If you dont like beos go the hell away,as far as im concerned,you are probebly a MAC/WINBLOWS corperate,trying to sell us something..but we dont want it!Mind your own business and you wont be mindin mine!(_:_) holes

  96. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/18/2001 6:53:24 PM

    Re: You ain’t got no software - dream on be loser!

    I wonder if your Mom knows that you’re surfing for porn on her computer…

    :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

  97. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/18/2001 8:20:00 PM

    Re: to the smart azz,with no brains

    I wasn’t impressed by your post. The forum is on “to let BeOS go, or try to forge on.” Your dirty girl language plainly shows your lack of intellect, and further, all the people have the right to their opinion. Both are welcome here. Posts like yours that insult other people for expressing themselves, just show how close-minded and immature the people who posted them are. (That’s you.)

  98. Anonymous Says:

    The reality of the - BeOS is dead/has been dead and will stay dead - debate

    I would like to give an old school viewpoint on the BeOS is dead debate. I have been using BeOS since Be released the R3 PPC demo disc. I have purchased legit copies of R4, R4.5 and two copies of R5 Pro with BeBible and Productive. It goes without saying that I like BeOS.
    I had artwork featured on the Be Media Center (still around somewhere - look here.) that was used on a CD released by Be Inc. in France to users and developers. I have some tips on the BeTips server, notably how to change the default folder icon system wide in R5.Convinced I have a BeOS love and background? Good. Now here’s the shocker. I think BeOS is dead and I am removing it from my PC. The situation is there are so few users, such a lack of software and no real chance of a future release that I can’t see wasting a partition on something I don’t really use anymore. I’ll keep BeOS in the back of my mind and if Palm does indeed surprise us all, I’ll be glad to check it out. In the meantime, I am enjoying OS X, it holds great things for Apple. I am looking for something to fill the empty partition my PC will have so I grabbed Darwin x86 and have a copy of Solaris on the way. The future remains to be seen, but one thing for sure is, BeOS in it’s current form, is NOT a part of it. -Cycline3

  99. Anonymous Says:

    Two cents…

    I used OS/2 for quite some time, even beta testing R4. What killed it was IBM’s attitude and lack of direction for it - yet there are still users out there, and OS/2 systems quietly plugging away. I know of at least one nationwide chain of banks who (recently) purchased another. I helped replace the systems. Guess what every PC there (teller stations, etc.) were running… OS/2.

    Windows has the desktop. We’re not going to kick out how many million copies of Windows with a mass Be replacement - esp. not now, unless Palm does something extraordinary with BeOS on the PC. Even Gerrault (sp?) admitted that he wasn’t going to compete with windows at the end - but he would be more than happy to have people dual boot to do media-related work.

    Well, I don’t use OS/2 any more - their half assed “marketing” and disparagement of the “kitchentop” market pissed me and many others off. If it weren’t for that and their lack of interest, I’d have an OS/2 system here.

    I *do* have a BeOS system here, though. And will for some time. It’s found its niche here - it works better (and more elegantly) with my digital camera than the camera’s own TWAIN driver (it’s a PDC640, fine for my needs.) Give me that, and CoolCat, and my website’s up and running. It’s currently dual-booting with Win98, but will have its own PC, networked (no need to worry about WinModems) to others. (All it needs is FTP over TCP/IP.)

    Applications? GOBE works fine for me. For that matter, so does SimpleText. If I need to move a document to another PC or Mac, I can FTP it over. It’s not my “general use” OS. It’s there for my website. It works decently with my HP printer. It’s stable - I don’t think I’ve ever lost work to it locking or crashing. I can test the site using PoorMan (built in.)

    Do I wish it were wider-release, and had more apps? Sure! I’d love to see WordPerfect for BE, play DIabloII/BE or Halo for BE. But it’s not going to happen. (Though HALO would definately take advantage of BE’s strengths.) And in some instances, I still suggest people take a look at Be. I’d rather reccommend Be than Linux - it’s easier to set up (by far!) and use, works beautifully in a dual-boot scenario (on its own partition) and is just easy to understand. I wish it would work on newer (and older 68k!) macs - but that’s not going to happen either.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is, if you’re looking at “wide release” as a criteria for “life” for an OS, Be was stillborn. If you’re looking for people who USE the OS on a regular basis, BE will be around for a LONG time. Just like DOS, OS/2, Amiga, and the like.

  100. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/20/2001 8:36:32 PM

    Re: Two cents…

    Thank you for saying what needs to be said - regardless of how things went down & what is or isn’t going to happen with BeOS in the future, we have a great body of work here that is quite useable for many tasks. There is no reason to junk all of that.

    PS - 100th post! woo-hoo! :)
    [Edited at 0:36 Sep 21 2001 by franknputer]

  101. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To jp @ 09/09/2001 7:47:19 PM

    Re: Get BEOS going again

    Hi,

    It’s very true that Microsoft killed Be. How???? Can anyone explain why OEM’s and computer dealers pre-install Windows only on their PCs. Why not other operating systems…. The truth is that Microsoft binds them with an agreement that states that NO other operating system should be installed on their PCs either alone or in dual boot with Windows. The ONLY operating system should be Windows. If the dealers fail to comply, then Microsoft will not allow them to install Windows at all with their computers and the spineless idiots of the dealers did not want that and cannot bear to see that. It is only the fucking Bill Gates monopoly and his screwy illegal practices that are contributing to the death of Be OS. Personally, I will continue to use Be OS and I do hope that collectively we can get many more people including hardware manufacturers to support Be OS fully.

    Woe to the assole and cock sucking bugger - Bill Gates.

  102. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS may die, but hell, it shouldn’t do.

    BeOS has been around for only a little while in OS terms, yet it highly regarded by it’s friends. Windows has been around for a while (in my opinion it wasn’t all bad before ‘95, when it was under 12mb uncompressed and loaded FAST) yet although highly regarded, it’s over-bloated and just needs something more than flashy buttons of Me and features of XP to hide that.

    BeOS, however is different. It has to be the best OS by far, but support for it is non-exsistant. It wouldn’t die if only hardware & software manufacturers knew about BeOS and took it seriously.

    Solution:
    A REALLY great version of BeOS needs to be made, a huge collaberative project with all the people pitiching in where they can, keeping the core values and code of BeOS, writing great drivers and keeping the interface simple but ever functional. We need some hand holding Wizards like Windows, because they are great for not only beginners, but even professionals get bored with fiddling with advanced settings.

    After this Ultimate BeOS is made, it can be supported continually, and updated where necessary.

    Someone with loads of cash should then invest in ads, and deals with manufacturers and the huge OEMs.

    Only this way can BeOS become the best OS like we know it all can be.

  103. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/23/2001 11:24:39 AM

    Re: BeOS may die, but hell, it shouldn’t do.

    They already tried that. It didn’t work. Where have you been the last 10 years? It’s over. Own up.

  104. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/19/2001 11:03:34 AM

    Re: to the smart azz,with no brains

    who said what? huh? ok…? opinions are like A%S holes everybody’s got one..yup.
    Theres lots of pointless stuff on here! hey when is palm ganna give us a thumbs up,anybody gotta a clue?

  105. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 9:50:40 PM

    Why would they love it?

    Your assuming way too much.

    #1 There isn’t even support for most current hardware.

    #2 Big PC makers are still having a hard time accepting AMD for christ sake.

    #3 The only people who love BeOS are those of us smart enough or patient enough to find another way besides windows.

    I’m sorry I came off so condescending but for the love of god people, this isn’t rocket science.

    I swear if people took one dose of reality before posting the whole world would function a whole lot smoother and more efficiently.

  106. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/23/2001 11:24:39 AM

    If they took it seriously…. Listen to yourself retard

    Your assuming way too much.

    #1 There isn’t even support for most current hardware.

    #2 Big PC makers are still having a hard time accepting AMD for christ sake.

    #3 The only people who love BeOS are those of us smart enough or patient enough to find another way besides windows.

    I’m sorry I came off so condescending but for the love of god people, this isn’t rocket science.

    I swear if people took one dose of reality before posting the whole world would function a whole lot smoother and more efficiently.

  107. Anonymous Says:

    the continued existence of BeOS

    BeOS rocks! viva BeOS!

    I feel that the BeOS community should petition Palm to allow Be to continue, either with limited support or some kind of open source license, or one similar to Bell Labs’ Plan 9 license.

  108. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/08/2001 03:09:06 AM

    Re: Get BEOS going again

    I totally agree to that. Why not get an open source project going on that, like encourage knowledgeable BeOS users to write drivers for hardware that they have or know of. Perhaps it would be possible to port some more obscure drivers from Unix variants.

  109. Anonymous Says:

    keeping BeOS on its toes/getting it on its toes

    If there were a collaborative effort, BeOS could be updated to take advantage of new hardware technology, such as 64-bit x86 CPUs, and make an even better use of its already advanced features. It could give the big os’ a real run for the money!

    In my opinion, BeOS is far from dead. Its just dorment. And all the Be users that know its a great system should get behind it and support, and petition Palm to do the same.

  110. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 02:06:37 AM

    Re: Them is fight’n words!!

    Very true. The heck with all those pessimistic arguments. Obviously those people either don’t care, or they’ve become dispondant.

    All of those users who know BeOS has a lot of potential and is already a very nice system should rally against such commentary

  111. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To sparklecitydv @ 09/10/2001 5:53:48 PM

    Re: Why!?!?

    Amen to that.

    BeOS users unite!

  112. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 9:50:40 PM

    Re: KEEP IT ALIVE

    How about getting on the project to port plex86 to BeOS so that it could run “legacy” software like Windows programs, so as to attract users of less elegant operating systems ( such as windoze 95 )

  113. Anonymous Says:

    making be a software compatability giant

    OS/2 has the ability to run 16-bit Windows applications as if it were Windows. Apparently, it can multitask them better than Windows 9x.

    Why not build an API emulator for BeOS that would allow it to run Windows programs natively, thus encouraging more support from non-BeOS Windows users, who might be interested if only it weren’t for their old programs. And it could be designed in such a way as to take advantage of BeOS’ spectacular multitasking and multithreading.

    By having that kind of support for Windows 3.x applications, Windows 9x destroyed most reasons for keeping 3.x around.

    Perhaps BeOS could learn from example!

    This from an old Windows user thats also a diehard BeOS supporter!

  114. Anonymous Says:

    Palm is not necessarily the enemy

    It would be really great if Palm could be convinced to release the BeOS source code, or make it open source, even if it has some limitations like BSD’s licence or Plan 9’s.

    Until the time Palm turns definitively against BeOS, perhaps it should be courted as to the idea of relasing source code.

  115. Anonymous Says:

    OS/2 and Amiga are great systems

    OS/2 was a great system in its day and still is, in my opinion. Let’s not forget where Windows came from. Even WinNT has a pretty solid OS/2 base. Although the PC compatible world has largely abandoned OS/2, its far from dead.

    Still superior, in terms of server abilities, OS/2 also has quite a following. BeOS has basically three opitions; it can die, abandoned by its would be supporters, it can continue, and and exist as OS/2 does, or it can continue the fight to continue being a competative system which it already is!

  116. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To sparklecitydv @ 09/10/2001 5:53:48 PM

    All it needs is stinkin’ drivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    If BeOS just had a wider driver base it would play to much larger crowd. I am convinced that all it needs is a little more support, and more hardware support, BeOS would be a lot more wide spread.

    So let’s get with it people. Let’s get mobilized. If anybody has programming expertise with drivers, start writing drivers for known hardware, or start porting drivers from Linux or Unix variants.

    There’s still a chance to save this os! Don’t just sit there an let it pass!!!

  117. Anonymous Says:

    Definitely drag BeOS kicking and screaming back to life!

    Well first of all, it isn’t dead yet. And it isn’t vegatative either.

    Let’s kick it into high gear and roll out some support for BeOS that will keep it from a fate it doesn’t deserve!

  118. Anonymous Says:

    OS/2 is a solid os

    I am an OS/2 user and I definitly don’t think of it as the butt of a joke.

    I’ve used BeOS too, and I would say that its better than OS/2 in a number of respects. It has a lot of advanced features that will serve it well in the future.

  119. Anonymous Says:

    booting up in 20 seconds……..

    BeOS is incredibly fast. I mean, what other OSes are so advanced and can still boot that fast. Plus, it coexists great with other operating systems, and is well behaved during the installation process. Its got a great filesystem, and good portability from Unix.

    It definitly kicks the poo out of Windoze, and most certaintly should not go down with out a knock down dragout fight.

    The Be Community needs to work with Palm to get source or limited support, or find away to continue updating and supporting the OS, like with FreeDos

  120. Anonymous Says:

    Those that remain

    So what if a whole bunch of supporters are going to jump ship. Ignore them. If they’re not interested, its not their concern.

    To those that support BeOS, lets get behind it and push for its survival, and try not to be affected by negative attitudes.

  121. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 4:11:56 PM

    Re: BeOS

    Perhaps using API emulators could make it even more competative against Microsoft’ bloatware.

    Especially if they could be designed to run Win apps better than Windows!

  122. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS will stick around

    Even if BeOS doesn’t get support from Palm, there are still copies of it floating around, and I for one will keep using, and will create kernal extensions if necessary to keep it up to date. And if it can keep around like OS/2, or even DOS, it will be doing good.

  123. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/10/2001 09:16:00 AM

    Thats a great idea

    Thats a great idea that should be more actively persued.

    And if Palm wants to incorporate features of BeOS into PalmOS, great, more power to them, it will make a good os much better, and it will help it compete against CE.

    Don’t get me wrong though, im all the way for having BeOS on its own feet too.

    viva BeOS!

  124. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To abouza @ 09/09/2001 2:29:05 PM

    Re: To Be or not to Be……. (who matters on dying?)

    viva BeOS!

    viva Argentina!

  125. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/25/2001 10:46:13 AM

    Re: to the smart azz,with no brains

    They aren’t ya dumbf—.

  126. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 00:56:26 AM

    Re: the continued existence of BeOS

    What a waste. Be is dead hillbilly.

  127. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 01:30:40 AM

    Re: Palm is not necessarily the enemy

    Are you stupid? Like they are gonna pay 11 million dollars to “let us have the code.” Get a clue freak, if you are that dumb, you don’t need to be using a computer.

  128. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS SUX 2001

    For you Robocop fans… “the all new, better-than-ever, BeOS S-U-X 2001. One big pile of crap for all your computing neeeds! No web browser means no porn surfing by your employees! No games means they can’t not work! Heck, the thing is so lacking in applications, you’ll all have a good year or two break waiting for your CS department to write you a program to add 2 $1.37. BeOS that fastest do-nothing digital screamer on the planet. If you want to get nothing done fast, BeOS S-U-X 2001 is the ticket!”BeOS is lost like tears in the rain. Time to die!!

  129. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 01:59:13 AM

    Re: Those that remain

    Staunch suppoerter of virtual reality are you? What’s wrong? Can’t cope with the real world? I’ll give you a hint though, in reality, BeOS is dead. In virtual reality, I suppose it will live on, just like all the geeks dreams of having a girlfriend. Oh well… ! Ignorance is bliss they say!

  130. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 6:03:26 PM

    Re: Those that remain

    So what’s really the issue, whether or not BeOS will continue, or whether or not its stupid to use it in the first place. My point is that if people don’t care, or if they wish to believe that BeOS no longer serves a purpose, so be it. That is there opinion and no one is going to force them to use it, obviously. In this case, reality depends only on the individual’s point of view and relationship to the issue.

  131. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 6:00:32 PM

    Re: BeOS SUX 2001

    i think maybe theres like no point to this comment

  132. Anonymous Says:

    argument irrelevant

    the argument of whether or not beos is dead’s irrelevant. what is important is whether or not the people that like it should just give up on, just because a few people are of the mindset. no. thats just plain stupid. there’s no point in saying all the users should give up on it, cause theres no group investment; giving up only affects the person that gives up in this case. and they should’nt care whether or not there are still supporters. if people want to keep using it great. if they want to eventually bring it back and try to achieve linux like success with an “open” be, more power to ‘em. if you don’t like it, don’t use it.

    otherwise this whole argument is totally pointless. unless of course people just like to stir up trouble, which is a whole different pot of beans.

  133. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 5:54:44 PM

    Re: Palm is not necessarily the enemy

    if palm allowed the source code to be available through some kind of general license, it could only benefit them. they wouldn’t even have to have active development staff, so they have nothing to lose. if there were some cool improvements, Palm could always sell a distribution, and maybe even get royalties from other companies that were SELLING the software. BeOS could be a viable, cost effective threat to microsoft in some arenas, and palm would be all the better off if it had instant access to that technology.

  134. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To moldava @ 09/09/2001 05:00:37 AM

    Same here

    same here, BeOS lives!

  135. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 6:00:32 PM

    Re: BeOS SUX 2001

    maybe if people had generated more drivers for this operating system, it wouldn’t be the fastest “screamer” on the planet with nothing to do.

  136. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To sparklecitydv @ 09/10/2001 5:53:48 PM

    Re: Why!?!?

    Check out BeUnited organization and the BePlex projects.

    BeOS is a great OS. Perhaps it could be expanded by kernal extentions

  137. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 01:59:13 AM

    Re: Those that remain

    in my opinion virtual reality has nothin to do with this comment. i agree with it. if you don’t care, what’s it matter

  138. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 6:03:26 PM

    Re: Those that remain

    in my opinion virtual reality has nothing to do with this comment. i agree with it. if you don’t care, what’s it matter.

  139. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/27/2001 02:07:11 AM

    Re: BeOS will stick around

    maybe it would be possible to create extentions that would allow it to run on other hardware

  140. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/21/2001 03:11:03 AM

    Re: Get BEOS going again

    Dell and IBM do sell linux-only systems.

    It’s not that computer manufacturers can’t sell dual boot systems — they just wouldn’t get discounted pricing from Microsoft.

  141. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/28/2001 02:48:04 AM

    Re: argument irrelevant

    The argument is totally relevant.

    There are “group suicide missions” to screw JLG over by trying to convince fellow Be Inc. shareholders to advocate open sourcing and voting no to the Palm-Be deal. Of course, if they succeed then they would screw Be employees as well.

    As if people have not lost enough money on the Be Inc. stock, helmar/deej is trying to solicit investments for their wildly hyped pet project. The people that “just like to stir up trouble” are the responsible people trying to limit the BeOS community from committing further financial losses.

  142. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/28/2001 02:52:27 AM

    Re: Palm is not necessarily the enemy

    I agree. That’s stupid. No company is going to invest $11 million dollars in buying BeOS technology to power their BRAND-NEW OS division and then hand it all over to the open source community to do all the development work. Denial must be a beatiful thing over there…

  143. Anonymous Says:

    Why should BeOS be saved in the first place?

    Will somebody please give me some VALID reasons why BeOS should be resurrected? Be, Inc. went at selling and promoting BeOS for years with no luck. What is so different in the world that would make it succeed this time? Don’t say it’s fast… I don’t care how fast it runs if there is nothing to run. A Ferrari engine isn’t any good if it’s not in a car… I’ve used BeOS and I know it’s speedy, but there just isn’t much else compelling about the platform. Flames can be posted to yourself at home, since you’ll be the only one that cares what you have to say anyway. Valid arguements are more than welcome…

  144. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/28/2001 03:11:39 AM

    Re: Those that remain

    It don’t matter none, beos is dead in the water, blood dripping in stuff.

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