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Debian Linux for “beos refugees”

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Posted by:Ryan on Tuesday, 04 Sep, 2001 @ 12:20 AM
 
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Just had someone point out a link on the Debian page to a Debian for BeOS Refugees guide. The goal of the document is to help people move to debian now that it seems BeOS has “been abandoned”.

Now, I like Debian GNU/Linux. It is by far the best GNU/Linux I have tried. But it doesn’t even hold a candle to BeOS. And just so you all know, BeOS is “not quite dead yet.” Admittedly, it’s status is in limbo. But there is a group of us making a very serious effort to save it (much more than just petitions) - so sit tight. But if you want to play for a while, go right ahead and try debian. In fact, I reccommend it. It will be enlightening. Just don’t do it because you think BeOS is no longer an option. ;)



103 Responses to “Debian Linux for “beos refugees””

  1. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    “And just so you all know, BeOS is “not quite dead yet.” Admittedly, it’s status is in limbo. But there is a group of us making a very serious effort to save it (much more than just petitions) - so sit tight”

    I appreciate the work you guys are putting into what I assume is OpenBeOS.

    Designing and building an operating system is a huge task, so I wish you luck.

  2. funk Says:

    Other Current OS’s

    I decisded to take some time out of my long weekend and play with some other OS options. Namely a redhat 7.1 distro and QNX. There are parts of both that I like quite a bit but neither of them holds a candle to the xperience of using the BeOS. Linux is a beast of an OS. It’s extreemly powerful, and even after doing things I probably shouldn’t have it was extreemly stable, but I couldn’t get away from the feeling that it was just a more powerfule/stable windows 3.1. Before you flame me about that let me explain. the way I always saw windows 3.1 was as a graphical shell around DOS. KDE and Gnome both felt the same way to me. They were incomplete and sluggish implementations of a GUI over and existing command-line OS. I love linux as a server OS and have been using it in production environments for years, but as a desktop OS it just isn’t there. If all you want to do is start up a GUI so that you can open a bunch of terminals then it’s perfect, but if you want to do anything else it’s even more clunky (IMO) than windows.
    QNX was extreemly pretty but had some major flaws. I could tell from the start that it was an embedded system altered to work on the desktop. It seemed like a very pretty but less powerful linux. The UI was quite a bit more resposive but it still was nowhere near the quality of the BeOS. The filemanager was terrible as well.

    What does all of this rambling have to do with anything? Well, the point is that even though BeOS hasnt’ been worked on officially in almost a year and is missing a ton of important features it is still the best, most advanced, easy-to-use Operating system that I have yet had the pleasure of working with. I know BeOS has many problems, and is not perfect, but until I see an OS that’s better I will stick with BeOS and any projects that are working to keep it alive. Who knows, some of these projects have the potential of making a better BeOs than Be did.

  3. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 12:37:51 AM

    Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    It’s the initiative led by a “new” BeUnited and comprising of many BeOS supporters from other quarters (ie BeFaqs, OpenBeOS, Germany…), aimed at obtaining a licence from Palm to develop and market the BeOS under our banner. That’s all. Nothing special, just the inevitable. :-)

    Helmar

  4. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To funk @ 09/04/2001 1:12:21 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    Hey, funk

    I’ll second EVERY THING you said!

    I am a long time user of Linux/Unix (I used Unix before DOS 5.0 was released, if my memory serves me). I have also used every relesead versopn of Windows starting with Interface Manager 2.0.

    I decided to build a new system for myself. Just something to go on the ‘Net with. I tried BeOS on the DemoCD and it became my choice…

    To make a common story short.. I fell in love and have ditched every other OS since…

    Anyway, got to get back to work….

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Debian..?

    As much as I love Linux (and, the supposed difficulty of Linux is highly exaggerated), I have to question sending Be users to this particular distribution. It has a reputation for being difficult to install, especially in comparison to distros such as Mandrake. I hear good things about Debian, and even tried it myself at one point, but I find it lags behind in features, and lacks the easy install and configuration of Be. Nowhere near as friendly, etc.

  6. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To funk @ 09/04/2001 1:12:21 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    Well-said, funk. And, if Be were updated on a regular basis, it would probably be my main OS of choice. However, I enjoy playing games on my PC, and Be just isn’t ready to fulfill that need. I mostly use Linux now. I hope we see a R6 for Be, because it *is* the easiest, most elegant OS I’ve had the pleasure of using so far, but as time goes on, I find I get less and less use out of it. Thank goodness Mozilla .92 made it to Be, otherwise I wouldn’t even be using Be for the Net. Sorry, but NetPositive just doesn’t cut it anymore. And, the Be version of Opera appears to be dead in the water.

  7. juswhitaker Says:

    DEBIAN

    I read this article as well, and thought: I haven’t seen the last nail in the coffin! Granted, BE looks like a lost cause, but I ask you: would it be so bad if we took the AMIGA route and said: so no company is supporting us-let’s build what we need anyway?

    What I’m trying to get at is that despite the limbo status of BE at this point, I still see a variety of BEOS related development, from daily updates on BEBITS, to Three new attempts at building a new open sourced BEOS 6. I think that we might be in danger of making headway on our own. Isn’t that more in the spirit of the OS anyway?

  8. Doktor13 Says:

    In Response To funk @ 09/04/2001 1:12:21 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    “I couldn’t get away from the feeling that it was just a more powerfule/stable windows 3.1.”

    Exact-amundo!

    Linux == Lindows;

    ‘Nuff said…


    Dok

    BeOS - There is NO substitute!

  9. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 1:26:26 PM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    I’m curious though, doesn’t Be (now palm) pay rolities on the some of the stuff in BeOS. if you get the license wouldn’t you have to pay for the rolities, I once heard it was like 1.5 million a year. Would you guys be selling R6 or what would be the plan. If that’s the case fine, I will pay. I’m just curious. I understand that you need to pay for quality sometimes. I hope you guys well. I think any amount of effort no matter how big in trying to get the license is a more productive than make a NewBeOS. Also with a living Release, or company putting out BeOS that would bring companies back and probly help get things like GP3.

    on a side note. if you have to change the name i sugest
    BeeBeOS ( good logo and holds the name recondition)

    Brad Beebe

  10. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 09/04/2001 1:54:42 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Exactly! And as I already told a friend of mine, BeOS is actually more viable than Amiga, beause it’s not tied to a proprietary hardware. Expecially since it can even boot on Pentium 4.

    I see it easily as a very viable platform for the next 5 years. At least!

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To funk @ 09/04/2001 1:12:21 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    I started to use Linux since 1996, on a professional level. I could immediately see the advantages, and the usefulness. I had a look at Caldera OpenLinux Lite 1.1, and I loved it. It had a great choice of windows managers and other nice goodies. And it still was small. It was a bitch to configure if you had more than one netcard, and sound and graphics were still at it’s infancy.

    6 years later… Linux fails to excite me! Nothing substantially new, and I use Linux everyday at work. It’s just a good workhorse for file serving and network administration. There is nothing exciting about Linux, not for me, not anymore.

    With BeOS, I could liberate my creativity, and as I see, so happened with others. On BeOS are so many great musical tools, even two great sequencers (MeV and Sequitur, and dBe ain’t so bad, either). No, actually, I will stop here, because Linux is way too lacking with musical software. If I only look at what is there as far as office suites goes, I realize that Linux just doesn’t inspire to write this sort of things. Linux is for work, for geek work and for servers. BeOS is for creation.

  12. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 2:31:45 PM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    Be is not Palm now. Palm is Palm, Be is Be. Be sold stuff to Palm (its IP) and will close down thereafter pretty soon.

  13. Ruprect Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 1:47:59 PM

    Opera?

    Man, am I the only BeOpera user that has had a good experience thus far? It’s very stable on my machine. And all the goodies that I need are there:
    1) SSL for online banking, purchases, etc.
    2) enough java script to tie me over
    3) better table rendering than Net

  14. rppp01 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 2:38:19 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    It needs a browser badly. And support for online streaming media, such as quicktime and WMP formats.

    BeOS is missing so many things. These are just a few of what an end user wants/needs for his/her every day life on the ‘net.

  15. rppp01 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 2:31:45 PM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    No, change the name entirely. It might give the OS a new breath of life among users out there. Something like AbiOS. Like AbiWord, and it has the ‘be’ sound in there to satisfy people who like the name of the OS (I don’t).

  16. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Ruprect @ 09/04/2001 3:05:36 PM

    Re: Opera?

    Yes, I found it to be stable. My point was more one of the fact that the company that makes Opera has no plans to continue to update it or develop future BeOS versions of it. Granted, at this point that could also come to be the case with Mozilla. We’ll see.

  17. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 09/04/2001 3:06:42 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    The point I was trying to make, is that there is a chance we’ll see these, with BeOS. With Amiga there is NO chance. BTW, I am an Amiga lover myself, but the hardware is closed, proprietary, not in development. Workbench is never going to boot on a Pentium 4 or an Athlon.

  18. Anonymous Says:

    Be transition

    I have to say, I’m in the process of installing Grey Cat Linux on a tablet PC, and knowing BeOS (with its total ease of use) and its merging of Unix-like structures, allowed for me to jump into a tough distro like an intermediate Linux user.

    Isaac

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To funk @ 09/04/2001 1:12:21 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    True, True!

    Linux’s multimedia (even if the new audio distribution) has and always will suck because it’s a thin veneer of multimedia over the piles of junk underneath.

    Be was designed (and even if the media kit is somewhat broken) for multimedia, and that’s what it provides.

    On the note of “officially produced”… We keep hearing rumours (though not necessarily true) of goodies, like PicassoGL, non-rectangular windowing. We know for sure Java works, from the eVilla (and whether in “vm” or not we don’t know)…

    Considering the genius of the Be engineers and the rather shoddy nature of the BeIA releases, one has to wonder what they were working on in the back rooms of Be, Inc, for those two years since r5.

    Isaac

  20. Anonymous Says:

    why I had to laugh when I read that.

    Sorry, but when reading that I had to laught.

    First, I /am/ fan and user of both systems, BeOS and Debian. But they are far from being comparable. BeOS is extremely easy to use, where Debian - IMSO the best GNU/Linux distro despite what others say - is far from that, although becoming better with every day.

    Want an example? Here you are:
    I just replaced my mobo, an Asus P2L97-S with an Abit BP6, thus upgrading to a dual-system and UDMA-66.
    BeOS? You know the story: Swap boards, turn on, and you get the two CPUs. Download the driver for the UDMA-66 controller, unzip and install via drag-n-drop, and there it is.
    Debian? Building a new kernel to enable both UDMA-66 and SMP support. Reinstall lilo. Then I still can’t connect my HDs to the fast controller without changing /etc/fstab and /etc/lilo.conf first, otherwise it will be unable to recognize the different drive location.

    Still, I like and use Debian, but it’s definately not anything of a replacement for BeOS.

  21. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 09/04/2001 3:22:51 PM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    yuk, why would we want it named after somehting that doesn’t work. I don’t think a new name breaths fresh air. It breaths not knowing what it is. Salvaging names from other things is never good. example linux theres a crapy name and a bad rip off.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Ruprect @ 09/04/2001 3:05:36 PM

    Re: Opera?

    Must be something in your setup, be curious what your doing, or not doing. I find it will run great just after i install it but then within a few minutes it crashes my computer, then from there out (after retart and everything) it goes extremly slow. I’ve heard the same from others. Consider yourself lucky.

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To funk @ 09/04/2001 1:12:21 PM

    Absofreakinlutely!

    Right on Funk. I use Be everyday as my main OS and almost never use anything else.

    Additionally, since we’re under the radar of all advertisers out there..we’re not targeted for spyware, virus, worms, pop-up ads, etc…ad nauseum.

    To me using BeOS is like stealthing through the internet. GimICQ let’s me add users without permission, Net doesn’t give me popup ads, Posty doesn’t trigger off .vbm bombs, … in short.. I’m invisible as I can be in this day and age.

    Productive gives me winx translation should I need it, CL-Amp plays my tunes and GoGo rips them for me, Constructor manages my website, etc.

    In fact, too MUCH success would be a bad thing. I’m willing to pay quite a lot for an updated BeOS if it delivers Java, themes (user on/off though), BONE, etc and to keep it alive.

    It is without a doubt the best Operating System I’ve ever used. For me, Be IS the application I use the most.

    /me wipes a tear

    God help me I love it so…

    :)

  24. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 5:50:36 PM

    Is Be run by the Tramiels?

    When I first came across BeOS last year, I installed it and found it to be highly promising. It reminded me of the days of the Amiga and ST when things were somewhat simpler.

    I downloaded it again today to see if things had moved on but it’s so damned depressing. Looks like the slow demise of Atari all over again. Superior products, lousy marketing!

    I’ll be keeping tabs for the forseable future. It’s interesting that Palm have bought the intellectual property rights to the OS (if I read the news postings correctly). As other posters have said, IA devices are pointless - the market never took off and is never likely to. Ironically, Be would have been better off porting the OS to PDA systems due to its speed, simplicity of use and relatively small size.

    What a waste! If the BeUnited consortium manage to get the BeOS license out of the hands of Palm and at a low cost then it could open other avenues for the OS. I’ve certainly got some projects in mind for it but looks like I might have to get back to taking a look at streamlining Linux.

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 5:50:36 PM

    Re: why I had to laugh when I read that.

    You don’t need to change all your config settings to boot ext2 or ext3 filesystems after moving the
    hard disk to a different/ better controller.

    Just label the filesystems “games”, “/home” etc. and use the labels to refer to them. The partition reader is smart and will find the partitions on any active drive.
    A modern Red Hat install will do this anyway, and presumably the next stable Debian will do it too.

  26. tantalic Says:

    BeOS vs Linux

    As a long time BeOS user I must say linux does not compare to BeOS in anyway. This is not to say that one is any better then the other - they just cannot be compared (for my use BeOS is better).

    I have used many distributions of linux (Redhat, Corel, Mandrake, PeanutLinux, and Debian) and none of them share the characteristics that make BeOS what it is. They will always miss the speed, responsiveness, and low latency that BeOS is known for. However BeOS doesn’t have the security, reliability, hardware support, and tcp/ip capabilities that linux has.

    But if you are going to give linux another try, I would definately suggest Debian GNU/Linux. Although most reviews say that it is more difficult to install and configure, I think that it isn’t much more difficult then a Mandrake or Red Hat install - just no pretty X GUI for installation. However it is much easier to keep an installation smaller, with only the packages you want, and apt-get makes upgrading Debian is a breeze.

  27. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:57:59 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Well, I’ve been using BeOS daily for about… 2-2 1/2 years and it only crashed on me twice… unlike WIN2K… On what world _are_ you living?

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To markh @ 09/05/2001 10:46:48 AM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    Actually I don’t agree.
    I think the name BeOS sucks… In swedish it sounds like it’s something crappy… “A” is something good, “B” (pronounced “beh
    ” sortof…) means “low quality”, like “This movie is really b”..
    Oh well

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Ruprect @ 09/04/2001 3:05:36 PM

    Re: Opera?

    Opera doesn’t handle non-latin text….

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 2:38:19 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    BeOS viable in 5 years? On the hardware available then. will it even boot on the chipsets, what about new cpus?

  31. juswhitaker Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 09/04/2001 3:06:42 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    What about Mozilla? It comiled on my system just fine, and purrs like a kitten on the web….

  32. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 11:08:57 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Mac OS definately does not belong here. It is not for inbetween using/trying as it requires to buy a new machine in the first place…

  33. moooooooo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 6:26:10 PM

    Re: Absofreakinlutely!

    i have to freakingagree.
    i want java on beos and that would complete it for me.
    opengl and games would be nice, but give me java first.
    that will bring hordes of java dev-heads over to beos because it is soooooooo stable, fast and a joy to use.

    /me loves the GimICQ stealth adding of users ;)

    and ditto to the “pay quite a lot” statement.
    i will shed blood to get beos with suns j2ee or j2se on our FaveOS.
    cheers
    peter
    beos.loved.com

    ps i am working on a BONE version of GimICQ and am also
    trying to find the bug that causes it to crash on startup, for me at least.

  34. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Ruprect @ 09/04/2001 3:05:36 PM

    Re: Opera?

    actually, Opera is serving me good, too!
    I can even access my mail through Outlook Access, no problem.

    spaghetti

  35. juswhitaker Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 10:31:23 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Yah, but unlike AMIGA, BE runs on anything, more or less, if it has the supported drivers. No proprietary hardware, like an AMIGA motherboard, thanks.

    What I’m trying to get at is that: Amiga has been dead for a long, long time. I remember when the Amiga came out, and faded just as quickly as BEOS appears to be doing.

    But, the people, the diehards, the nutcases, kept it alive, underground, until Amiga rose out of the ashes on the renewed interest.

    If BE the company folds, so what? Who is SUPPORTING linux? Torvalds? Not really, he’s maintaining the kernel, that’s all. All those programs, etc., come from the grassroots, with a few companies chipping in
    major development tools. Most of the development is done through extensive testing by users and programmers, not by any one company.

    To my thinking, that’s a model we can emulate pretty easily. Last I checked, I have endless hardspace to fill with development projects for BE.

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To tantalic @ 09/04/2001 10:42:03 PM

    Re: BeOS vs Linux

    PeanutLinux Rules ( /)
    (/ )

  37. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 09/04/2001 1:54:42 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Well you have to remember that for a while the Amiga did very well. Tons of apps and games-not shareware but stuff you can buy from a store. Many games came first for Amiga. Since it was its own hardware platform, Commodore didn’t have to beg Apple or convince OEM’s that it’s worth risking the wrath of Microsoft.. Amiga had lots of interesting hardware designed for it as well such as the video toaster. So the Amiga was able to last a long time even after Commodore died. Now what about BeOS? Even the small companies that made their name from BeOS (Beatware, Adamation etc) left long before Palm bought Be. I’ve always thought that if Be made a new BeBox with pentiums instead of ppc, they would have an interesting computer that would work without having to worry about HCLs and kissing up to OEMs. It wouldn’t be a proprietary platform but it would’ve probably caught on like the Amiga did because it would just work.
    AriB

  38. Anonymous Says:

    Going back to windows?!?

    In case someone considers to use windows again, here’s something to make you appreciate BeOS again.

    http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/uploads/27000/27549_winrg2.swf

  39. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To tantalic @ 09/04/2001 10:42:03 PM

    Re: BeOS vs Linux

    That’s true. In general, Debian and Mandrake ask you the same questions - just because Debian does that in text mode doesn’t make it harder to use.

  40. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 6:02:51 PM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    A new name? You’ve got to be kidding. All the programs out there that say “blah blah for BeOS”, and now this stupid confusion?

    BeOS is a great name and it should stay for practical reasons if not for anything else. I happen to ADORE the name & the OS.

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 1:37:12 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    I decided to build a new system for myself. Just something to go on the ‘Net with.
    ~~~~~~~~
    Obviously was disappointed when you went to browse…

  42. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 6:08:25 PM

    Re: Opera?

    Man, am I the only BeOpera user that has had a good experience thus far? It’s very stable on my machine.
    ~~~~~~~~-
    Yes, you are the only one. And I have no idea what drugs you are taking or what magic hardware you are using to make that thing stable.

  43. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 08:43:19 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    While the Flash was humorous, MS reliability has improved in leaps and bounds, and the Win9x kernel’s days are numbered, so all the crap unreliability of the past (or present if you’re using 95/98/ME) is irrelevant, and shouldn’t be used as an argument to not move to Windows. The sad truth is BeOS was far more crash-prone to me than Windows 2000.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 08:43:19 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Yes, going back to Win98, that is… my W2K desktop (installed March) didn’t crash a single time since and is running every day, with SETI background. I have an FTP set up for me four neighbours ruuning since SP2 was issued 24/7 and my system fow fooling around/gaming/burning, etc, etc didn’t crash either a single time, not even rendering 3D full load for days…

    Actually, Debian is not the alternative, W2K is. I heared that they are supposed even to have catched up with apps lately, hehe…

  45. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 4:54:26 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    have you even botherd to check out the current amiga deveopment??

    to quoute from the amiga one pages on www.amiga.com
    on the system requirments…

    “One AmigaDE friendly host processor (PPC, x86, Arm, SH4, MIPS) ”

    within 1-2 months a new amiga hardware system is out from www.eyetech.co.uk
    (stand alone motherboard or even add it to your old amiga 1200 and use old apps without emulation)

    the amiga is moving much more then the beos system
    seems like i’ll be atleast buying the new amiga motherboard and play with that instead of buying a new pc this year…..

  46. markh Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:37:18 AM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    I fully agree. BeOS is still a recognizable name. Introducing a new name will cost quite a lot

  47. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:57:59 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    While the Flash was humorous, MS reliability has improved in leaps and bounds
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–

    Had nowhere to go but up…

  48. Ruprect Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:42:03 AM

    It’s called meth, and lots of it!!!

    LOL, well here’s my rig:
    dually EpOX
    twin Celery 300As (no OC)
    256MB SDRAM
    Diamond V550 AGP
    NE2000 comp ethernet
    3Com cable modem
    SBLive Value

    Correction, it did crash last night for the first time on my machine, but upon restarting Opera, it did restore all the windows before crash.

    It’s never crashed my machine, that’s for sure. Any of you guys overclocking? I’ve heard of and had instabilities myself in the past when I oc’d in BeOS.

    My only complaints thus far with BeOpera is that it isn’t terribly smooth with table rendering. Dragging its window around causes some bad redraws (weird!).

  49. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:59:07 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    How about MacOS X ?
    Let’s see how it compares to BeOS

    * stability : both are quite stable. not as stable as w2k sp2 but quite enough for everyday use development. don’t run a medical device on it though
    * speed (I’m talking about 10.1 5G27 vs. R5 here, not the sluggish 10.0.4) : it all depends upon the machine. On my G4 733, 10.1 rocks. But BeOS rocks on a P2 266 so eye candy has a price, I guess.
    * price (computer os) : BeOS wins by a huge margin. but again let’s admit Macs are sexy.
    * driver support : strictly speaking, BeOS supports many more audio cards, video cards and the like but Mac users don’t need _that_ many drivers. MacOS X supports a lot of USB and FireWire devices. And users are not begging for native scanner and printer devices since they work in classic so you’re not stuck.
    * compatibility/applications : OSX is a _real_ UNIX. ./configure - make - make install usually works without problems. Also, the Classic MacOS emulator is really impressive. These two features , plus the fact that more and more mac apps are carbonized these days leads to a huuuuuge advantage for MacOS X
    * develop. tools : take this seriously : I’ve dhad the luck to do full time commercial development with BeOS for one year (the app development is ‘on hold’ right now… it was an audio application) and MacOS X development since february 2001. MacOS X tools rock !!! I liked the be kits much more than MFC (except for the Media kit which I find terrible to program for.) but MacOS X dev tools are the best tools I’ve ever used. And don’t tell me you don’t want to learn ObjC. I did it in one day. Ways easier than C (I like some C features best, especially rgrd. speed in critical loops). I could talk about these tools for two pages.. stop !

    If you can save $1700 (that’s of course the big disavantage of MacOS X), get yourself a G4 or a high-end iMac. _especially_ if you’re a developer. you won’t regret it (on a side note, writing commercial software for MacOS X might be a good idea now since some niches have to be filled)

    sorry for lengthy post

    Benjamin, happy os X coder (and ex-happy R5 coder)

  50. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 10:31:23 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Dude, I thank you for this information, but please pardon my skepticism. Until I am proven wrong, I still don’t feel the Amiga being viable. There have been too many false alarms, too many shattered hopes.

    For now. for me Amiga means only that beige cutie box with the Amiga logo and a Motorola 680xx CPU inside it, that lays on the floor in my living room in front of the TV (ok, so I am not too tidy).

  51. juswhitaker Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 08:43:19 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Why would anyone do that?

  52. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 09/05/2001 12:59:39 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Hey, that’s the poin *I* was trying to make!!
    *grunt* stealing my AIP (anonymous intellectual property), huh? ;-) )))

  53. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 12:45:15 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Not everyone has the dough to buy new computers every two years. Not me, anyway. And you know what? I am surre there WILL be computers built in 5 years from now, where BeOS will be able to boot from.

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 05:05:21 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Your post is contraddicting itself. First you say that Amga succeeded because it had it’s own platform, and then you say Be should have had a non-proprietary system that you can buy from any other OEM, in order to succeed. Which one is it?

    You know, one recipe for failure is lacking a clear idea and intention.

  55. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 08:43:19 AM

    Amiga

    I have been using BeOS since the release of R5, I started out with the Personal Edition, then went straight out to Best Buy and picked up Pro with the Bible for $60, and have not regretted it a bit, and if Be dies, I’ll still continue to use it, definatly the best thing I have used since Amiga.
    Of course I will not be able to use Be as my full time OS if there will not be future support for it, so I will have to start looking elsewhere. AtheOS looks quite interesting, but lacks major hardware drivers, and thus I have not yet installed it. AROS sounds promising, but once again, who is going to supply all those drivers. Fortunatly there is a little light in the darkness. Amiga is back, and for real this time it seems. This time around Amiga has actually pulled through. We have OS 3.9, some new 3rd party Hardware upgrades, and next Gen Amiga’s, not to mention a PPC native OS 4.0 and the CPU independant Amiga DE coming out in November. We’ll have Amithalon for those who’s original Amigas have died, and do not want to fork out some bucks for a Brand New Amiga PPC system or upgrade, and we also seem to gathering a nice round of support for some major players in the computer industry such as Matrox, and Sharp among others. I know a lot of you came straight out of the Amiga days (when computers were inovative), and I would really like to see your attention brought back to its origins if things fall through here with BeOS. Something else to ponder before you go off and fork out your bucks to the Wintel industry. It would be sad thing to sell out, to see all you guys support an already damaged and raped industry.

  56. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:37:18 AM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    Its not really our decision. If they say we have to keep BeOS, we will. If they dont, we will probably not be allowed to, and be forced to pick a new one. I think a new name would make marketing the OS easier, as it won’t have any baggage. But its a wait-and-see sort of thing.

  57. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 1:12:04 PM

    Re: Amiga

    OK, I have an old Amiga 500: what’s Amithalon?

  58. CattBeMac Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 12:54:14 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Well this is not true if you already own a Mac (or a couple of Macs that is) like me:-)

    … it belongs here!!!

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 12:32:09 AM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    Who gives a crap? How many sweedes actually go around saying, “Have you tried the bah OS?”

    Eh?
    EH?

    OH bah.

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:37:18 AM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    I didn’t say I want a new name. I like BeOS, but it might have to be changed, if changed something similar is good, like OpenBeOS, (But its been taken, and if they got the rights to BeOS it wouldn’t be open), you can guess what that is. Yes changing the name of all the Be*^%(*% apps out there would suck.
    I’m not a fan of mutant names like linux, I’m glad Kurt didn’t name atheOS Kurtux. Also I just really hated the idea of it being AbiOS

  61. Ruprect Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 12:57:36 AM

    Outlook Access?

    What’s that?! Some online version of outlook? Are we talking hotmail?

    I’m interested to here what you’ve got.

  62. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 09/05/2001 1:14:20 PM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    > I think a new name would make marketing the
    > OS easier, as it won’t have any baggage

    So you guys are going to market it to suckers?!! I mean c’mon, everyone who’s going to be interested will probably know it’s BeOS renamed. Might as well stick with BeOS.. however, I think you’ll have to pay Be Inc. for that name.

  63. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 2:50:56 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    > If I only look at what is there as far as office
    > suites goes, I realize that Linux just doesn’t
    > inspire to write this sort of things.

    Funny, the only BeOS Office suite in existance now runs on Windows and……..Linux!

  64. salvo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:39:08 AM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    When I started using BeOS Net was a good browser. It did everything a browser was expected to do.

    It’s not that the Browser’s gotten Crappier, It just that the Web’s gotten Crappier.

    You Young-Un’s should remember this.

  65. salvo Says:

    Migrating to Photon(QNX) rather than X(*BSD/Linux)

    I’m still using BeOS as my primary OS, but I’m starting to Migrate my Secondary OS from Windows to QNX. Even despite it’s shortcomings, Photon is much better than X. The reason why it hasn’t enjoyed widespread Support is because X-Apps run in QNX aswell. There’s very little incentive to write Native Apps.

    Photon and BeOS are alike in many ways. Maybe not the API, but It certainly has the potential that BeOS had all those years ago, if not more. It’s deficient to BeOS in many ways, but It’s also superior. The only benefit’s Linux has over QNX is you can get more “Packaged” Apps for the Linux Distributions, and the GPL (which many people feel is also a liability)

    ALSA, the sound-architechture used in the new Debian Audio Release is supported by QNX. Of course you won’t get the same performance that you’re used to from BeOS in either of them, but QNX/Proton will give you better support than Debian/X, due to it’s non-legacy Windowing Environment. Legacy is for those stuck in the Past. (Like use Net fans :-)

    Debian is Good. *BSD is arguably better. My money’s on QNX.

  66. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Ruprect @ 09/05/2001 4:04:12 PM

    Re: Outlook Access?

    No, not hotmail. Outlook Access is MS’s(quite broken) HTML front-end to an Exchange mail server.
    You log into this utlook Access website with your browser, and so you can read your corporate e-mails. Nothing to do with Hotmail.

    Novell does this WAY better with the GroupWise HTML client (_much_ better Calendar and Schedule), but what can I do, Exchange is what my company uses.

  67. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 12:37:51 AM

    Pay or Free

    I will still purchase R.6 should I be so lucky to get a chance. Palm has done well against the MS machine on it’s own but could launch a greater front to them by open sourcing the Be OS. Good time would be now before they start designing *inux machines that can run them like Be runs on an x86 machine.

  68. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 1:11:13 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    ok man, now THAT was immature.
    and what value would that comment have anyway?
    I love BeOS…it’ll stay on my celeron till it melts. and then i’ll put it on my new computer and so on….apps are still being developed. so don’t give up yet. BeOS isn’t dead until everyone formats there hard drives and puts something else on it and burn all of there BeOS install disks.

    I personaly think that BeOs will never die.

  69. Anonymous Says:

    Vapourware OpenBEOS-development

    Where is the tinktanking and developing around this new OpenBEOS approach going on. Where is this hustling bustling open free multimedia power development center ? To me news is scarce, I can’t help but suspect vapourware approaches… I loved BeOS for its innovation, have innovative ideas myself - in short : I WANT TO HELP MAKE THIS OS REAL. Now, can someone please supply me with contacts, information, etc… Every day should be a new BeOS innovation erleibniss !

    Please drop the ‘Dead Poets Society’ attitude, thank you.

    (didn’t have time to subscribe, be back later, just post answer please)

  70. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 09:39:08 AM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    >> Obviously was disappointed when you went to browse…

    I certainly was.

    I went off in search of all this porn I had heard about, and when I found it, most of it was crap, and they tried to make me pay for it.

    Oh wait… that’s not what you meant was it :)

  71. tpv Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 11:08:57 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    > it was an audio application

    Hmm.. a BeOS and MacOS audio app.
    You’re not working for BIAS are you?

  72. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 09/04/2001 1:54:42 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    You bet!

    Henceforth the development of BeOS could be much
    like *BSDs where a team still is responsible for
    the core OS and users can contribute add-ons.

    Linux still lags the *BSD in stability (flames!)
    because the OS is completely defragmented.

    If there is NO development of BeOS, leave it, we
    still have a good OS, and we keep seeing good
    apps in BeBits. :-)

  73. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To salvo @ 09/05/2001 5:39:48 PM

    Re: Migrating to Photon(QNX) rather than X(*BSD/Linux)

    In one episode of “The Simpsons” Homer is repeatedly unable to apply his own experiences to the propaganda in the media. Marge asks him what he’s learned and he says “I haven’t learned a thing”.

    That’s what BeOS users are doing when they talk about moving from BeOS to QNX.
    Be Inc. told users that they were bringing something unique to the OS market, and they played down the risk of Be dying and leaving the proprietary OS completely unsupported. Many developers believed them, and fell totally under their spell for years.

    Then it happened, Be Inc left BeOS to rot while they struggled to enter a new potential market, and eventually left the business altogether.

    So your advice is to go out and spend money on another proprietary OS? How can that possibly make sense? It’s as if you “haven’t learned a thing”.

    At least the Debian users have answers to some questions, even if they don’t have the whole story figured out. You’re still trying to figure out where you went wrong last time!

  74. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To salvo @ 09/05/2001 5:23:12 PM

    Re: Other Current OS’s

    > It’s not that the Browser’s gotten Crappier, It
    > just that the Web’s gotten Crappier

    Exactly. Just because one can do something, does not mean he should.

    MPR

  75. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/06/2001 12:15:13 AM

    Re: Vapourware OpenBEOS-development

    There are three teams

    OpenBeOS http://open-beos.sourceforge.net/
    is a project to re-create BeOS from scratch
    It has produced 0 lines of code so far

    BlueOS http://blueos.free.fr/
    is a project to create a “source compatible” BeOS using the Linux kernel
    It has produced 0 lines of code so far

    BeUnited BeOS
    is a project from Helmar and various famous BeOS people who should know better
    It plans to license BeOS from Palm and fund ongoing development by professional developers
    It has produced 0 lines of code and $0 so far
    Helmar’s team is funniest, because unlike the other teams, who bicker among themselves and make gradiose plans for the future, Helmar seeks to disrupt the rival groups. He mails them long rants about the necessity of paid marketing professionals, and accuses them of trying to kill BeOS.

    So really BeUnited BeOS is the one to look forward to, it may actually SELF DESTRUCT publically and might result in some great headlines and flame wars. The others will just boringly fizzle out.

    If you can’t wait, OpenBeOS is good because it has a lot of technical content.
    Example discussions:
    * Why improved compilers such as GCC 3.0 can never be used with BeOS
    * Serious design mistakes in the BeFS
    * Optimism: why it is more important than Code.
    My favourite messages today were those describing exactly why BeOS can’t use more than 1Gb of RAM. Of course Be Inc. didn’t care about that, no internet appliance needs 1Gb of RAM anyway…

  76. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 09/05/2001 1:14:20 PM

    Re: Nope, it’s not OpenBeOS

    Let’s call it UseToBeOS…

  77. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 12:25:55 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Win2k crashed twice today for me…luckily, I have BeOS PE on that machine as well.

  78. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/06/2001 9:10:32 PM

    Re: Vapourware OpenBEOS-development

    I don’t know why you’re picking on Helmar - at least they are making some motions toward saving things, rather than attempting to re-create from scratch what took 10 years to acheive. Many people did just the opposite - things didn’t go the way they wanted, & they complained & quit.

    It certainly seems plausible that Palm may wish to explore the option of having BeOS developed by others & reaping some benefits from it. By licensing the code out to a group who has some experience with the system & the community, they take no real risk - but as the licensor, they stand to make some $$ if Helmar & co. are successful.

    Time will tell about their success or failure, but holding them up for ridicule before anything has had a chance to shake down is just mean.

  79. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/06/2001 9:10:32 PM

    Re: Vapourware OpenBEOS-development

    Um… first off, i admit readily to being 100% behind BeUnited BeOS, as well as heavily involved in it.

    All I want to know is why a group that sits around and discusses why BeOS can never do things is better than a group that is making a serious attempt to get beos, and make it do those things you listed as impossible?

    I am not bashing OpenBeOS. If they can code a replacement, great. It would be amazing. But I don’t see how they are inherently better than a group that is making an equal or greater effort, but from a different direction?

    We havent written code because we dont have to yet. We just have to fix what has already been written. As far as discussions, we have had them. Just not publically. There is simply more to it than you know. Yeah, it may fail, but so may anything. I’m optimistic. I think it will work out well for everyone. Sorry you don’t agree. I guess its a wait and see thing.

  80. Anonymous Says:

    the real future OS

    I’ve followed BeOS for a very long time and while it’s nice to see people still trying to do something with it I think we can safely say it is dead-ended. ok what about linux? Linux may just mean the kernel but linux as we know it also has to include X and something like gnome or kde. As long as linux uses X I don’t think I want to consider it. Berlin looks interesting on paper but I doubt that it will be released. As far as I am concerned the only real desktop OS left is QNX. Want SMP, distributive computing, font fusion, java and all the other things Be promised and never delivered? Try QNX
    AriB

  81. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 12:37:51 AM

    Nothing to tell more !

    It’s a nice hint to bring BeOS - user towards Debian (or Mandrake or SuSE or or…). The story itself is well written.
    The only problem is : either he doesn’t want to see or he has forgotten what it means to install an OS BeOS-stylish (10 - 15 minutes - start working…..).

    A nice Linux story comes from me : yesterday I tried to compile (or make) some NIC - drivers (DLink DFE530-TX) for SuSE Linux - it was the Linux drivers from the DLink page (the headers were written on VA Linux, as well as the makefile).
    A nice ‘this version doesn’t fit - bla bla’ just frankly told me that there are these problems, and there are those problems & kernel version differences and gcc - library / version differences and so on.
    Mr . Egmond, I gotta tip for you : look at the hardware compatibility list & on Bebits/Bosstsignal/Bezip.de/FrizBE and see or remember - life is eeeeasy on BeOS !
    And if you want to be honest : FreeBSD is also geeky but unlike Lunix it *does* what you want from it - on Lunix, there is always a big ‘MAYBE NOT’..
    On the other side sits BeOS : either it works or it doesn’t work - that simple.
    It’s the same thing like when you have to change a mirrored disk on an AS400 - it just works.Point.

    Maybe Steven has some intentions to write webmin for beos for me ;-)
    By the way - good luck to th OBDN - Crew !!!! Your work might be an opensauce revolution….
    Atilla @TurkBUG

  82. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/06/2001 9:58:20 PM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Pretty hard for BeOS to crash if the only thing you’re doing is reading mail and playing an mp3.

  83. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To tpv @ 09/06/2001 08:50:56 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    No, I’m not working for BIAS

    Maybe “Hyperprism” will sound familiar ?

  84. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 09/07/2001 01:47:25 AM

    Re: Vapourware OpenBEOS-development

    I never said that one group was better than another, just that BeUnited BeOS was funnier and OpenBeOS had the best technical content.

    Today for example someone explained why “let’s use a flat memory model” is not even an answer, let alone a correct one, to the “BeOS fails on 2Gb machine” problem.

    IMHO all these groups are doomed, but the only evidence I have so far is that none of them have made any visible progress.

    Of course if they fail that’s all the evidence there will ever be, so IMHO after more than two weeks it is already looking conclusive.

  85. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 09/05/2001 12:59:39 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    regarding the new amigas again…

    “BE runs on anything, more or less”

    ehm… seems like the new amiga system will run on more hardware then beos does…
    and regarduing the “false alarms” in the other post below….
    check around in amiga sites far from false alarms, the hardware system for a amiga one motherboard is ready for massproduction…. wasnt long ago amiga os 3.9 was out… things are happening…. there is a bigger amiga following the beos as far as i understand, dont missunderstand me i love beos, i really hope that there will be updates for it with better support for new hardware etc… but i wont go to linux, i rather buy an new amiga….

  86. chrish Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 11:08:57 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    MacOS X doesn’t happen to run on any of my hardware (P2 333 laptop, dual P2 350 desktop, dual P3 666 desktop, dual 604e 180 Mac clone).

    - chrish

  87. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/07/2001 04:11:30 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Spoken like someone who has never used BeOS.

    Try reading mail, surfing the web, manipulating wav files with a sequencer & wave editor, & running BeShare - still doesn’t crash. And yes - I do this type of multitasking often.

    Win2k often can’t handle more than one application at a time, in the time-honored Windoze tradition.

  88. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/07/2001 06:58:06 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    I am the “false alarm” poster. As I said, until I see it, I consider it nonexistent. Sorrz. “ready for massproduction” means “nonexistent”.

    If you show me a picture of this motherboard, or better even, a system built around the mobo, and possibly for sale, well, that’ll be much better.

  89. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/05/2001 9:33:20 PM

    Re: DEBIAN

    Whom did you want to reply, actually?

  90. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/07/2001 09:41:33 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    And that’s exactly why Windows will NEVER EVER have multiple workspaces. Multiple workspaces drasticaly encourage and facilitate mulstitasking.

    I, for example, usually run 2 BeOS applications (usually MIDI stuff) each on it’s own workspace, and browse the net for information on these apps, on the third.

  91. Anonymous Says:

    BeOS and Virtual OS software

    Pardon a possibly naive question, but is it still possible to get one of the virtual OS programs to work with BeOS as the host machine and then boot Windows, MAc, Unix, etc as the Guest?
    I’m sure Virtual PC and VMWare have stopped working on this but maybe there’s another way. If I could do this I’d have BeOS as my OS and just boot into Windows when I had to.
    Thanks

  92. Anonymous Says:

    Deb + Be = Debbe ~debby

    I thought that was cute, how about all of you BePhreaks? Really though, there’s a lot the community could learn from looking at the debian model of distrobution building. Debian is a rugged, solid Operating System, with a die hard user community, most of which are responsible for developing applications and layers for the Distrubution. The fact that someone can make changes to improve it without serious legal hassles(which I will freely admit that it’s just as good from a corperation standpoint when you don’t have to sue someone because they pointed out a security flaw and the like) adds to the appeal. If I was to try debian, as someone new to the idea of linux and open source, I would pick Progeny. I was one of the first people who had the privledge of using Progeny1, and I’ll admit, it’s almost is as good as BeOS, from a GUI perspective, with that familar Unixalike working environment, which is just a plus. I see that bone was a more robust daemon system, and it was very much like bsdian style networking- which everyone including my brother seems to think very highly of. I do not ever plan on abandoning BeOS, ever- even if it becomes completely abandoned and becomes obeselete. I think that I have a few systems around here that 3 years from now might be museum material, and even if work doesn’t continue, it would be nice to show them a very awesome OS from “back in the old days”

    But, I really believe that BeOS will remain, as a desktop OS, and it might even find it’s way upon more sophisticated systems. From an Software Engineering standpoint, that seems logical enough as there are many parts of the OS that can be modified to fit a paticular platform or device. I hope it remains, but in the meantime, for all you production system maintainers, try debian or progeny, you won’t be dissatisfied.

  93. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/07/2001 11:44:04 AM

    Re: BeOS and Virtual OS software

    Look here -

    http://www.bebits.com/app/2497

  94. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/07/2001 09:41:33 AM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    so do i! and all this on a 400 celery with 128 ram ! and it still don’t crash! my friend has a new box with 1.4 gig cpu and 256 ram and it doesn’t even begin to multitask like this running winME,the sad thing about this is his system (hardware) won’t run BeOS.for the lack of drivers be missed another convert,because after seeing my system he wished he had a be compliant box too, but after spending all that money for his new system, he was’nt about to start jerking things out of it and replacing them with ones that would run BeOS

  95. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/07/2001 11:06:48 AM

    Re: DEBIAN

    http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/pictures.php

    teaser…. pics of motherboard…
    and timeplan
    remember this is not “the” amiga, there will most likley be more amiga computers out… and remember its supposed to run on x86 , power pc, arm, mips cpus aswell…. so infakt there is already an amiga system maybe on your desktop in a sence…

    but but, i still love beos and want it to be a kickass system that is selling like hell and kicking the shit out of microsoft…

  96. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/04/2001 12:37:51 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    In my view, going ahead and creating yet another OpenOS (or FreeOS for that matter) isn’t called for. There are several on-going projects that the Be userbase can contribute to, to make that particular project more ‘Be-ish’. No real need to reinvent the wheel, especially in an attempt to recreate even the shortcomings of another OS. If all BeOS-developers joined the AtheOS project, for instance, we could have something up and running within months or weeks. Another alternative would be to adhere to a project dealing with the OS I feel is close to BeOS - Amiga OS.

    I’ve been involved in OS programming before, and I can tell you that most projects fail due to the _enormous_ amount of time and effort that go into them. It is an immensely huge task. I wish all of you the best of luck!

    (references: http://www.atheos.cx, http://www.freeos.com)

  97. rusty Says:

    [No Subject]

    Having used current releases of both Mandrake and Debian, as well as a couple of earlier versions of Red Hat, Caldera, and Slackware, I am confident that we are unlikely to ever see a varient of Linux that installs with the ease and speed of BeOS.

    This is not to say that it is not possible. However two major things get in the way of almost every attempt at making a fast install for Linux, choices and source code.

    There are other things I don’t like about the various install systems, I could easily ramble into any of a number of tricky situations.

    Debian isn’t exactly the most “Linux Documentation” friendly distribution either. Installing a service that does not come as part of a .deb package is entertaining to say the least. Instructions that say “do a ‘tar -vxzf package.tar.gz;cd package;make config;make;make install;make cleanup’ then edit the /etc/inittab file and insert ‘/home/userid/package/bin/packagebin&’ after the line that loads your smtp server.” just won’t work in Debian.

    I can think of worse suggestions than recomending converting to Debian. At the same time recomending any other OS for any user than their own pet OS is going to step on someone’s toes. And while I do think some toes need to be steped upon, I have better things in life to do than get in a holy war.

    The one thing that I will say both BeOS and Debian have in common is that they are both rock solid. In fact I think Debian has the upper hand here, though that is based upon experience gleaned through testing a variety of software on BeOS which I would not do on my Debian systems.

    Of course neither compare with my OS/2 system which only shuts down when the battery backup can’t produce enough juice to keep it running. I understand Novell Servers have similar characteristics.

    In fact I know of one university Novell server ended up being found after three years of being lost when someone chased a network cable into a wall and realized it didn’t come out anywhere. They tore into the wall and there the server was, in a closet that had been closed off by some construction workers. The server was merily serving as designed. I personally think that BeOS, Linux, OS/2, and BSD are all up to that kind of a task. though I doubt if any of them will be set up and left alone that long. I seriously doubt that anyone would even consider doing the same with Windows or MacOS though MacOS X Server might be up to the task.

  98. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/07/2001 4:56:52 PM

    Re: BeOS and Virtual OS software

    Thank you very much.

  99. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 09/06/2001 9:58:20 PM

    Re: Going back to windows?!?

    Win2k crashed twice today for me…luckily, I have BeOS PE on that machine as well.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~–
    If it crashed TWICE on you today, I’d make sure all your drivers/hardware/apps are OK, ’cause that is definitely not normal Windows 2000 behaviour. But then again, BeOS zealots aren’t normal people…

  100. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/07/2001 02:50:05 AM

    Re: the real future OS

    yes, linux is a non-issue for me. I don’t consider that progress…

    And you are right to consider BeOS dead-ended now, but u know zealotry continues to the very end. In fact, BeOS zealotry denies the end is here at all.

  101. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/06/2001 9:10:32 PM

    Re: Vapourware OpenBEOS-development

    dear anonymous,
    is a project to create a “source compatible” BeOS using the Linux kernel
    It has produced 0 lines of code so far

    Wow. I’ll have to talk to Guillaume real quick about the code written to date and tell him it’s actually a bunch of mozarella lasagans but not actual code… he’ll be stunned.

    Really, since this project is not about releasing “lines of code” to the public, and since you’re probably not thoroughly ignorant of this or dumb, you probably meant to talk about the private code written by insiders.

  102. Anonymous Says:

    linux

    linux vs beos? linux stinx

  103. 3eyes Says:

    Funny. I go to several Linux forms and I don’t see the people there putting down Be. They say it’s too bad what happened to the people who love it so much.

    There are people who will always say Amiga is the best, Mac OS X is the best, such-and-such Linux is the best or even Windows (!) is the best. None of them are the best - it’s completely a matter of what’s best for you.

    Therte’s Linux for the power-user, Linux for the mainstream-user, Linux for multimedia (yes, believe it or not - you’ll find several such distros if you *look*), Linux for older compters, Linux for Linux-newbies, on and on. Tried them all yourself? Didn’t think so.

    I love Linux, but I’m not going to say it’s better than all other OSes because it completely depends on the user and his/her hardware. But I will say it’s the most versatile as there is at least one distro for every purpose and most aren’t for only one purpose. And just because Debian or another distro isn’t focused on multimedia doesn’t mean you can’t download multimedia applications for it. Yeah, just like Be, there’s software to download in addition to what comes with the OS! Wow.

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