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Gobe announces Productive for Windows

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Posted by:Ryan on Wednesday, 29 Aug, 2001 @ 8:15 PM
 
Gobe Software

Gobe announced today that they are releasing Productive for windows and linux. This shouldn’t be a surprise for anyone who has been following the community for a while, but now its official, and being pushed. The best part is the word that the ports are based on the Be API’s, but built on windows using custom gobe libraries. This means that BeOS versions should be up to date and consistent in the forseeable future. The downside is that I can’t seem to find a mention of BeOS in the press release. Even worse, their FAQ says the following when asked about the beos version:

There are a lot of changes occurring with BeOS, and we do not know where they may be leading. After we have completed the Windows and Linux versions we will evaluate whether it is appropriate to complete the BeOS version.

At begroovy, we agree that the future of BeOS is shaky at best… But there are a group of us making a serious effort to save it, and if we are successful, it will be back stronger than ever. We like to think that Gobe will be there with bells on.



84 Responses to “Gobe announces Productive for Windows”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    PRODUCTIVE 3

    Jeeeeezzzz. We’ve seen SCREENSHOTS of GP3 running on BeOS. We’ve given them suggestions and feedback while they were building it. I would think BeOS users would see GP3 NO MATTER what Palm does! Even if they said it would ABSOLUTELY be that LAST version EVER! Its just the right thing to do. Hell, just throw an upgrade CD into the remaining 2.x invetory - and allow 2.x users to download the update . . . for free or for some $$ - - either way’d be fine with me.

  2. LeftTurn Says:

    In some ways…

    …I can see their point, but on the other hand there was an awful lot of feedback from the community to Gobe. I would hope that they would at least release what they have to the BeOS community.

    If it does come down to it, it is nice to know Productive will be available on another OS.

    At the same time, let’s give them a reason to keep programming for BeOS :)

  3. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 9:37:05 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Well, BeOS users *are* a bunch of suckers. Don’t be too incredibly shocked and aghast.

    We paid for BeOS. We gave (free) beta-testing work for OpenGL and BONE which Be applied to its work for other products (like BeIA/eVilla). And we got nothing.

    We paid for Gobe Productive. We gave (free) UI and other user suggestions/feedback/input which Gobe has ostensibly applied to GP 3 for Windows and Linux. And we get nothing.

    Nothing new under the sun, suckers.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Linux..

    I honestly understand Gobe’s situation, they are definetly looking at severe financial problems; but I still can’t help but feel betrayed. Not because of the Windows port, but because of the Linux one. Not because I don’t like Linux; but because NO ONE WILL FUCKING BUY IT. Here we have been loyal customers, given back feedback and they use it to make a Windows and Linux versions; while as they said a BeOS version is just a RECOMPILE away!? They will only really get a few bites in linux, from users that are new and want the same app they use in windows ( IF they buy that ). Linux users despise paying for software, especially when they’ve got PLENTY of free alternatives while the BeOS community has gauranteed sales that would more than likely toppel at the very least the linux ones. As I said, I don’t hate Gobe, but I certainly feel the cold stabs of jealousy and anger. -NeoWolf

  5. ansis5 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 10:21:24 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Good grief. We don’t know what Gobe will do yet and already you say we’re “a bunch of suckers.” Give them a chance, will you?

    That said, I hope for Gobe’s sake they have the good sense to release GP3 for BeOS, regardless of the OS’s ultimate fate. The costs should be minimal and the benefits will be greater than it looks on paper. If they choose to do otherwise it will alienate much of their established paying customer base. I hope they heed the old saying: “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”

  6. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 10:39:26 PM

    Re: Linux..

    This Linux (and BeOS, and Windows, and DOS…) user will gladly pay for the Linux version. I don’t “despise paying for sofware” at all. Given that I don’t really fully like the word processing/office suites currently available for Linux, and I *KNOW* (from previous use) that Productive is an excellent app, I’ll happily pony up the bucks for the Linux version when it’s released. ’nuff said. Productive will be a welcome addition to Linux.

    That said, I, too, am disappointed that Gobe asked us for our feedback, yet are (so far) iffy on the prospects of a BeOS release. I’ll hope that they’ll “do the right thing” by BeOS, but I’ll also buy the other versions (of course, if you read the details at their web site, you’ll see that if you buy one version, the other comes with it) when they’re released.

  7. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 11:45:44 PM

    Re: Linux..

    Well you sorta fall under one of the clarifications I pointed out. You already know about and like Gobe, and even you have to admit most linux users would prefer something free and open source of course. Not all linux users are such extreamists; like I said, I even like linux myself. -NeoWolf

  8. Big Al Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 11:53:28 AM

    Re: Linux..

    Just a note - it’s still up in the air with what’s going to happen with a BeOS port.

  9. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 11:45:44 PM

    Re: Linux..

    You’re wrong. In your specific case you’re right, I guess, seeing as you’re the one who decides what you’re going to buy, but in the general Linux-user case you’re wrong.

    Linux users hate paying for software. See the response to almost any commercial Linux package, other than a Linux distro or the occasional (very occasional) game.

    The history and current state of Linux software is completely indicative of the fact that Linux users are willing to put up with kludgy, buggy, feature-challenged, non-interoperable software so long as it cost them $0.

  10. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 10:39:26 PM

    Re: Linux..

    I understand your frustration but…

    There is still six or even twelve months of breathing space on Linux for a proprietary office suite, if it’s quality software at a low price.

    The three major Free Software suites are attracting users, but they’re still months from being something I would recommend to my fictional Office using grandparent.

    (e.g. Gnumeric just announced that its next version will import Excel graphs, what took so long?)

    On Windows Gobe has to compete with MS Office, and particularly with MS Word, which is bundled into various free-with-PC packages. There are lots of users, but it’s unclear how many need Productive.

    On Linux the competition is much less threatening, a polished product would pick up good reviews and might sell well, but admittedly the number of users who will even consider buying it is smaller to start with.

    I think today’s BeOS market combines the worst of both worlds for Gobe. There are fewer BeOS users than ever, yet most users who want an office suite have already bought Productive. Upgrade earnings are smaller than Full Version income, so Gobe finds that it is competing with itself!

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 00:36:51 AM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    You know, for once, I agree with you. I have begun using W2K at home, and I find it works just fine for me. I can play music, DVD’s, games, book keeping, study, and browse the web with rich media contect all without feeling like I was a martyr.

  12. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To ansis5 @ 08/29/2001 10:54:35 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    give it UP peepl, BeOS is dead. Dead as a doornail, I tellya.

    On toppa that, I’ve never understood the appeal of an office suite on a platform without *proper* scanner support built-in, so you can do things like scan pictures…duh…. but that’s just me.

  13. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 00:16:55 AM

    Re: Linux..

    The history and current state of Linux software is completely indicative of the fact that Linux users are willing to put up with kludgy, buggy, feature-challenged, non-interoperable software so long as it cost them $0.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–
    Absolutely. And to that I’d add:
    As long as it’s not Microsoft.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 08/30/2001 11:07:09 AM

    Re: GOBE Productive

    Hmmm, let’s face it. Productive will fail for the same reason that BeOS failed. Everyone who uses an office application in Windows or Linux is so used to using it already that they have no reason to switch to Productive. An office suite is one thing that pretty much every computer user uses; there’s nobody left who is still on the fence as to which suite they use. Computer newbies will always use MS Office, and regular users already have their suite picked out. There’s nowhere for GOBE to penetrate the market.

  15. Anonymous Says:

    Hey Gobe….release those custom libraries.

    Releasing the Be API on Linux and Windows would be quite a boost to those few companies that still produce BeOS software as they could still write for BeOS but sell Windows and Linux version too.

    So release those libraries, and a new BeOS release of GoBe even if its only available as a download to reduces costs.

    How do you register here, I’ve tried a number of time but never got the followup email, and now my username is taken :(

    Dave

  16. Anonymous Says:

    GOBE Productive

    I may be a little confused but I thought I understood GOBE to have distribution rights for BeOS. I take this to mean they can sell a distribution of BeOS. PALM now owns BeOS but GOBE may retain distribution rights pending further negotiations with PALM. I would take it that when GOBE sells a copy of BeOS they now owe a royalty to PALM if I am correct.

    GOBE also has this wonderful office suite for BeOS and PALM now badly needs developers and applications for their OSs. I would expect PALM to be very “nice” to GOBE etc while they figure all this out. Remember that MSFT is gunning for PALM and they will punish any developer that dares do any work with an enemy of MSFT.

    GOBE might find MSFT very very friendly right now becasue MSFT will want to attract them away from anything BeOS or LINUX related. MSFT is all about controlling developers to their advantage. PALM should understand this very clearly.

    By releasing their Windows product, GOBE has a stronger negotiating position with PALM (and MSFT). GOBE can now say how they would like to continue to develop support for office products on the BeOS technology but that they will require a commitment from PALM regarding … fill in the blank. GOBE may want to continue distribution rights or have some say in the future of BeOS or maybe be a player in their Internet Appliance opportunities or PDA devices.

    By releasing a Windows product it makes it harder for MSFT attack the quality of their office suite with a broad stroke. In the end I think MSFT will decide to attack GOBE (by means of trolling discussion forums with harsh and critical comments and seeding reviewers with dismissive and negative comments) with both barrels because they are a threat to their office suite monopoly as well as their OS monopoly.

    It is important to remember that the business opportunity for PDAs is relatively small compared to the opportunity in the desktop market. It is likely that MSFT is going to have to (by court action) open up the OS marketplace and PALM “could” have an enormous opportunity placed in their lap. An easy to use BeOS desktop experience will almost surely be better reviewed than any LINUX offering. The darkhorse here is APPLE who will probably also reveal a product for the x86 desktop.

    No matter what the Non-MSFT desktop, they will need an office suite and GOBE could be pivotal in how things play out.

    I am hoping to see GOBE and PALM become closer as I think it would be good for BeOS users… but GOBE has to “play the field” in the mean time.

    Just my opinions….

    *** Ben

  17. altp Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 10:39:26 PM

    Re: Linux..


    Linux users despise paying for software

    This statement isn’t completely true.

    If a product is worth buying, i will gladly dish out the money for it … HOWEVER, Productive won’t be it.

    I have grown very fond of ABiword. There is a filter to convert abi documents to PDF already, and it has all the features i ever needed to write documentation and a couple essays for class.

    Gnumeric is a stable, excel compatable spreadsheet. Works like a charm.

    Thats all i need from an office suite.

    HOWEVER. If they release a Beos version and Beos development continues i will probably buy both … if nothing more than for a backup computer when i need a wordprocessor to finish somethign on time.

    ANYway, back to my point. don’t catagorize linux users as only using FREE software. While i generally feel that open sourced software is better than commercial (given enough time to develop the apps), I and many others would drop the money for a great App.

    Right now i’m waiting for a great email application for linux … :)

    Altp

  18. Big Al Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 00:36:51 AM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Hmmm… My scanner works fine in BeOS. Go figure.

  19. WhiteRabbit Says:

    I understand why they are not committing

    Its all about the bottom line. BeOS’s future is exremely shakey right now.

    It costs money to professionally publish software. There are manuals to be written, boxes to print, CD’s to press etc. The people that do this will only do it in bulk, and require money to do it. lets say that a minimum order for the printer/presser is 1000 pieces @ ~$10 each.

    BeOS users would most likely only order the upgrade, which means that at least 333 BeOS users would need to order for Gobe to break even on publishing costs, then their are paychecks to be paid to the people who were needed to edit manuals etc.
    productive 3.0 wont be ready till November. If Palm refuses any of the attempts to save BeOS, will there be 333 BeOS users that would buy the BeOS version? Maybe, maybe not.

    They havent given up on BeOS, and as Tom has repeatedly said, he _really_ wants to see a BeOS version published, but he also has to look at his companys economic health.

    If Palm makes some encouraging noise about the future of BeOS i guarantee that a BeOS version of productive3 will be released.

    I just reread their liscening terms. Since they are incuding the linux version with the windows version, it would be reasonable to assume that they would also include a BeOS version if it is published.

    This means that the question is not “will there be 333 BeOS users that would buy it”, but rather “will a BeOS version attract 333 more cutomers that wouldnt buy it otherwise” which is probably an even lower number than the first, esp if Palm kills BeOS.

    WhiteRabbit
    Its all about dollars and sense.
    [Edited at 10:42 Aug 30 2001 by WhiteRabbit]

  20. juswhitaker Says:

    GOBE Productive

    Wow, I saw this on the GOBE site yesterday and thought they were out of their minds.
    I can’t see the business model here. Instead of concentrating on BE users, perhaps to the point of
    releasing their own BEOS, GOBE decides to wade into a very crowded pool.

    GOBE Productive 2.0 is clearly one of the greatest office suites I have seen-it’s
    far better integrated than MS Office, and you are not limited by arbitrary formatting issues
    that plague users of that product.

    BUT: the announced price of the suite will be $125, which puts it into the big office suite game.
    Corel runs a fine product on both Windows and Linux OSs, and still can’t get any traction despite
    what I think is generally a superior product to Office. Sun’s Star Office runs on both of those
    platforms, as well as solaris, offers alot of the same functionality that GOBE offers, but with a real
    database, and a kick ass browser, and it is free (more or less), or a mere $40 for the CD and manual.

    Linux users also have Koffice, Abiword, and a slew of spreadsheet, word processing, and
    graphics programs. The question isn’t “what can I do today” but “which way am I going to get it
    done?” And most of these programs are free.

    I don’t see how this makes sense for Gobe.

  21. Big Al Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 08/30/2001 10:34:51 AM

    Re: GOBE Productive

    Looking at Corel’s price for their standard office package at PC Connection and it’s $329.95. Microsoft Office Standard XP is $479.00. I can’t even find a price for Lotus SmartSuite (the upgrade version costs $139.95. OpenOffice is free except for the time to download it.

    Gobe Productive cost: $125.00

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Now let’s look at requirements for each package. Corel’s package requires 250MB for a typical installation. Microsoft’s takes 210MB-260MB. Lotus SmartSuite needs 268MB. OpenOffice takes 170MB.

    Gobe Productive: 20MB.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Notice something here? Gobe Productive may be an office suite, but its not the typical office suite. Plus I imagine their biggest advantage will be faster speed for slower systems. I hope their bundling deals with OEM’s will be pretty good too. Get one person used to using Productive at home and they bring it to work because it’s so much smoother than Word. Eventually the word spreads and Gobe becomes a successful company.

    I don’t think it’s as much of a “crowded pool” situation as being there being two different pools.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 04:21:49 AM

    Re: Hey Gobe….release those custom libraries.

    They can’t release the API. They made custom (CLOSED) code for the ports. Besides I doubt they ported the ENTIRE API… Probably just the parts they needed.

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 00:16:55 AM

    Re: Linux..

    Sure, most linux users (and most users, period) don’t want to pay for software. However, there is an appeal to having a cross platform office package that works on both windows and linux. Especially one as quality as Gobe. Going this route can free up some users in an office to run linux on the desktop and still share documents with windows users. Or for a single user, I can share documents across the two operating systems. In my office, we would be using StarOffice right now for internal documents if it wasn’t such a bloaty take-over-your-machine program.

    So basically I’m saying that there is a reasonable market for Gobe in the cross platform market segment.

    Also, I don’t blame them for dropping Be. I mean, when the horse is dead you get off and walk, right? I’d rather see their office package on windows and linux than to have Gobe go under. Too bad they’re not going to recompile and release Gobe 3 under BeOS, but I’m sure its not as simple as that. As a developer I know that there is seldom such a thing as doing a simple recompile onto a different platform and then running error free. There are always bugs that crop up, often difficult to solve. Plus you have to do tech support on the other platform, develop an installer, maintain another version, etc etc. These things cost money. Money I’m sure Gobe is not rolling in now seeing as BeOS has gone over like the proverbial lead balloon.

  24. Big Al Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 12:55:04 AM

    Re: GOBE Productive

    I agree with what you’re saying somewhat, although I hope Gobe has some aggressive pricing with PC vendors so it can come pre-packaged on systems. People will use what they’re given, then stick to it because they’re comfortable with it. So here’s one chance.

    I also think that there’s a good chance to grab some Linux users as well. Applixware made a living (I don’t think it was much of one, but their crew was much larger than Gobe’s) selling an office suite for Linux. When they stopped developing, tons of users were pissed because they didn’t like the bloat of Star Office. Hopefully Gobe can pick up those users.

    Only time will tell in the end. I just think they’ll have better success than most people think. But that’s just my opinion. :)

    Take care.

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 08/30/2001 07:37:31 AM

    Re: Linux..

    It’s good somebody can actually use AbiWord instead of just liking it on an abstract level. The last times I tried it, it wasn’t functional enough for the things that I want in a word processor (technically, neither is Productive, but it’s closer), and it was… klunky. That’s a subjective measure, granted, but AbiWord doesn’t have a good feel to it, and that’s terribly important to me in an editor. AbiWord still feels like its original designers started by making a mockup of the Microsoft Word 6.0 interface in GTK and, in the years since, have been trying to write the code that goes with each command and menubar button.

  26. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 00:36:51 AM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    More importantly why have a office sweat for an OS with almost no printer support, someone who knows how please make a full diver for a lexmark 7200, there is one now but its slow and black and white only. If glode will package a BeOS/Windows/linux all in one deal then great i can just reboot when i need to print my work. I some how doubt something i do in produtive would open right in word to print. I still will probly by the windows version. I need a office suit and hate the MS stuff. I don’t like supporting windows, but without printer support and java support, scanner support I am forced to reboot. MS Word thinks it knows what i want to do. I hate that, ever try writing a bibliography in Word, satan couldn’t make a worse torture test.

    on a side does anyone know why when you make a txt file in BeOS with style edit then open it in windows with notepad its all fucked up. Should txt file be the same in ether OS.

  27. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 1:27:07 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Text files use different end-of-line markers under DOS, UNIX, & Mac OSs. (I believe that Be uses the UNIX version, correct me if I’m wrong.)

    If you tell the editor to save it in a DOS format, it will work just fine. (I’ve done it at work, which is a Windows shop).

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 12:26:10 AM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Yeah, but all at the same time?

    Better to be a martyr than a lemming…

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 1:27:07 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Man, look at me: you are totally clueless. :-)

    “why have a office sweat for an OS” How exactly do you get an office sweat?

    “If glode will package” Who or what is glode?

    “I still will probly by the windows version.” You probably meant “probably buy”.

    “I need a office suit” Dark blue is the fashion these days!

    “on a side does anyone know why when you make a txt file in BeOS with style edit then open it in windows with notepad its all fucked up.” That’s because Notepad is a f*cked up editor unable to cope with lines that end with formfed but no carriage-return (which is the Unix way, and the BeOS way, too). Note that Wordpad works fine, from this point of view.

    Next time your dog types your messages, tell him to add a comma here and there, and he’ll almost fool us into thinking it was written by a human!

  30. Tom Hoke Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 10:21:24 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    “We paid for Gobe Productive. And we get nothing.”

    You paid [Edited at 15:56 Aug 30 2001 by Tom Hoke]

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 2:44:30 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    What a fucking jerk you are. I suppose you could write perfectly in their native tounge eh?
    You know, not everyone in the world speaks American. And with people like you speaking it that many less will even want to.

    Technospider

  32. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 4:09:26 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    If anyone has ever earned a foreign language, you would realize that English is screwed up!

  33. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    In Response To Tom Hoke @ 08/30/2001 3:55:27 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    You’re right Tom. I got a “kick-ass” OS, office suite and 1,000 page user’s guide for $130. Money well spent IMHO!

  34. Tom Hoke Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 04:21:49 AM

    Re: Hey Gobe….release those custom libraries.

    It’s not that simple. We already use a custom rendering engine to draw the content of our windows. So the libraries we’ve developed only help with part of the problem of porting a BeOS app to Windows.

    -Tom

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 08/30/2001 10:34:51 AM

    BeOS never made them money…

    Topic says it all. Gobe never made any money with Gobe Productive or BeOS. There wasn’t a userbase to support them when GP2 was out at the time of R4 when the general BeOS userbase was at its peak. Now Be closes up shop, in the public eye BeOS is dead and more and more of the remaining users leave. Do you honestly think anyone would be stupid enough to continue commercial BeOS support? get a grip…..

  36. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    In Response To juswhitaker @ 08/30/2001 10:34:51 AM

    Re: GOBE Productive

    Gobe Productive is EXACTLY what Windows users need! The average idiot doesn’t need a $500 office suite with 4,000 features they will never use. I will be buying at least one, if not two copies of GP3. I will recommend it to everyone I know. From my recommendations, they have purchased five Epson printers and two Epson scanners. I think they trust my judgement. ;-)

  37. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    GP3 for BeOS in Q1 2002!

    I predict that once GP3 starts to generate some much-needed revenue, the BeOS version will be polished off for a release in March of next year. Good things come to those who wait.

  38. Anonymous Says:

    AMEN Nutcase!

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  39. tillamook Says:

    No replacement for Access :-(

    I was hoping for a database module to replace Microsoft Access. Has anybody heard rumors of Gobe planning to add this feature in the future?

  40. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Tom Hoke @ 08/30/2001 3:55:27 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Yes Tom, we got more than what we paid for.

    The issue now, however, is whether all the good things you’ve been working on will be available under BeOS.

    Of course you could say “tough luck, buy the Windows version”. But that wouldn’t be quite fair towards the many BeOS users that stood by your product and helped you make it as good as it now is.

    Gobe will have a hard time winning some mindshare in the Windows world, against all the etablished players. Adamation has gone Windows all the way. I still haven’t read a word about personalStudio for Windows in any of the PC magazines. Will Gobe find the going easier? I doubt it.

    I would suggest that you can only benefit from riding on the enthusiasm of BeOS users. I imagine it is no big deal to “spin off” a BeOS version with limited support. The few thousand BeOs users will make a difference in spreading the word.

    houttbe

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 08/30/2001 07:37:31 AM

    Re: Linux..

    >> Right now i’m waiting for a great email application for linux … :) <<

    I rather like Sylpheed. Worth a try, if you haven’t already done so.

  42. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 1:09:22 PM

    Re: Linux..

    I, too, find AbiWord to be very useful. I’m quite impressed with it.

  43. Anonymous Says:

    One thing we’re all missing here . . .

    Gobe *still* has BeOS R5 Pro stock, and Corum III.

    A fine product like GP3 *WILL* get the medias attention, and in turn the hits to their website will increase. Thus BeOS will be getting some advertisement.

    Palm is currently evaluating the potential of BeOS - - to be or not to be, pardon the cheeziness.

    IF Gobe would pull OPEN their EYES and have a GP3 BEOS upgrade available, they would probably sell there remaining R5/CII stock as well as send a positive message to Palm.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 10:39:26 PM

    Linux is a FREAKING nightmare.

    After a coulpe Linux users get use of a real office suite, GoBE will be bombarded with emails lecturing them on why they should Open Source GP3.

    There tech support email boxes will be filled with this type of crap, and the poor ignorant Windows users will be slow to get the help they so regularly need.

    MacOS 9.x or X would have been 10x the choice over Linux or Windows.

    1. - Mac Users don’t care about GNU.
    2. - Mac Users order everything off line already.
    3. - Theres not 100 mac distros.
    4. - MacOS isn’t “fixed”/updated every day.
    5. - A new Mac Office suite would cause a big splash (more free press). A new *commercial* office product for Linux will go almost unnoticed, can you say Applix? (and Applix was 100x better than StarOffice or KOffice)
    6. - Mac Users have *heard* of BeOS and likely Gobe.
    7. - A lot of BeOS users are Mac users as well.
    8. - MacOS actually could USE another office suite! Linux has 50 (albeit most of them SUCK, but hey, their OSS - - don’t like it? Then FIX IT!)
    9. - Mac Users are more LOYAL.
    10. - Mac Users are used to paying a premium price.
    11. - Becuase I SAID SO, DAMN IT!!!

  45. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 00:20:24 AM

    Re: Linux..

    >>… a polished product would pick up good reviews and might sell well…<

    Yeah, that’s why Applixware for Linux flew off the shelves.

    And the last version of Applix was on par (if not better) than Gobe Productive.

  46. Anonymous Says:

    Word Perfect For Linux

    Word Perfect For Linux sold a whole 6 and a half copies. BIG money maker for COREL. I wonder why Gobe thinks they’ll fare better. Of course GP beats WP in many ways, but we all KNOW how much having the best technologically gets you.

  47. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 4:09:26 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    I agree that not everyone in the world speaks American.

    Again letting your dog doing the typing, eh?

  48. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 2:44:30 PM

    hey grammar asshole

    yeah I had typos in there, they happen especially when I write fast, and i didn’t notice till after the post. and theres no way to edit them out. People who go nuts about grammar on forums miss the point of the forum unless its a forum on grammar. Yes I also am a just plain poor at spelling. You apparently get bothered by my typo’s well some people might get mad at the forum being english based. I am an american. But you know what our language as those below pointed out is very fucked up. Our language is the mix of many many language, its really is not english. Talk to a person from the UK.

    I acknowledge some of the typos where big ones, I mainly apoligize to Gobe, part of my mispelling there comes from the fact I thought for some reson their name was Globe, but even then i mispelled it. I don’t know why I thought it was Globe, i just did, must be my brain looked for the closest thing to a word, Gobe is not a word , far as I know.

    I am a poor speller, dislexic (can’t spell it) and have a low tollerance for trying to make my writtings perfect. though i probly should try harder. Though I do try, I find using things like “AFAIK” “SIC” and others more anoying than typos, typos you usualy can read through an not even notice the typo, the abreviation things require the person to know what it means. It took me 2 years to figure out what “AFAIK” ment.

    I have had to put up with grammar nazi’s my whole life, I had a english teacher tell me I would fail college english and fail out of college. Turns out everthing she ever taught me was wrong. These forums are for people to talk to each other about Be BeOS, computers, and other related topics, not to belittle people do to simple mistakes. If you only want to tear into people who post on topic and proper messages then stick to slashdot.

  49. ansis5 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 10:39:26 PM

    Re: Linux..

    While I want the BeOS version of GP3 as much as anyone, I can see buyers for a Linux version. Look at the libraries, schools, small businesses and other entities that are evaluating Linux in light of Microsoft’s recent crackdowns on extra legal installations of their software. They simply don’t have the financial resources to pay Microsoft’s exhorbitant license fees and still meet other essential expenses. I believe they would pay for software that meets their needs and budget.

    If Gobe can get the word out, I think they might do very well with a Linux version.

  50. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 8:09:36 PM

    Re: Linux is a FREAKING nightmare.

    too bad MacOS won’t install on my PC, the next PC that I’m planning to get or the millions of other PC’s out there. But a Mac version is not a bad idea especially since my sister just got an ibook and it’s pretty nice (even though I managed to crash it pretty hard just by double clicking on some of the pre-installed software but maybe it just doesn’t like me :)
    AriB

  51. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Galley_SimRacer @ 08/30/2001 4:17:31 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    you mean learned :)
    AriB

  52. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 08/30/2001 12:14:30 AM

    Re: Linux..

    yeah but that’s what everyone says about the possibility about keeping BeOS support and 2 months later we find they deleted BeOS from their hard drives a year ago
    AriB

  53. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 10:22:48 PM

    Re: hey grammar asshole

    Unfortunately, I didn’t even doubt you were American. A sad product of your education system. I sympathize with you, it’s not your fault.

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/31/2001 08:45:27 AM

    Re: hey grammar asshole

    Actully it is my fault, people have to stop coming up with reasons why stuff is not their fault. If you really try or work at somehting you will get there, for education anyways. I hate people saying well I never had the opertunities since i went to an intercity school. So what i went to a small ass in the middle of the sticks school. Worse than an intercity school. At least there going someplace else is an option. I got screwed out of having any good education system and now I pay for it in college. But I don’t complain or blame my school. I could have learned more on my own.

  55. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/31/2001 05:28:19 AM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    actully earned or learned ar both ok there. If you have the time to learn and make the effort to learn and you learn how to speak a second language you have earned the right to say you know another language

  56. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 8:28:14 PM

    Re: Word Perfect For Linux

    maybe 6,5 copies sold for linux are still more than the BeOS copies they managed to sell? :P

  57. Tom Hoke Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/31/2001 05:36:21 AM

    Re: Linux..

    Just to be clear here we Gobe haven’t deleted BeOS from our hard drives. We have added a bunch of Windows boxes that annoy the hell out of me everyday I have to use them.
    -Tom

  58. Tom Hoke Says:

    In Response To tillamook @ 08/30/2001 6:32:40 PM

    Re: No replacement for Access :-(

    While we want to have a DB part in the future:

    1. We have to survive to such a future.
    2. It won’t happen until probably after a 4.0.

    -Tom

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 4:09:26 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    while i agree, it’s English!

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 10:22:48 PM

    Re: hey grammar asshole

    I agree (also dyslix) it’s a bloody pain (people correcting on forums).

    Please people, if it’s readable leave it alown!

  61. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/31/2001 08:45:27 AM

    Re: hey grammar asshole

    dyslix, does not mater how much you try to teach us to spell, only bits will get through. Then it’s very unlikly that the style of teaching will work.

    A dylix’s (sp prob) brain is sorted out diffently to a normals. It’s better at some style of thinking, while being shit at stuff like spelling.

  62. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Galley_SimRacer @ 08/30/2001 4:19:34 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    mandentory(sp) ‘i agree’ post

  63. mlk Says:

    In Response To Tom Hoke @ 08/30/2001 3:55:27 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Tom, will you support an ‘open’ BeOS*?

    * either OpenBeOS http://www.oben.com
    or BlueOS http://blueos.free.fr
    or maybe AtheOS http://www.AtheOS.cx

    If so, which and if not why not?

    Thanks
    mlk

  64. tillamook Says:

    In Response To Tom Hoke @ 08/31/2001 1:17:27 PM

    Re: No replacement for Access :-(

    Thanks for your response. While there is another possiblility lurking around the corner (Rekall/Hancom Office), I would suspect that Gobe would come up with the best solution, judging from the quality of Productive 2. Even though I won’t really need Productive 3, I will consider buying it when the Linux version is available, just to help Gobe survive, as long as there is hope for a DB module.

  65. ansis5 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/31/2001 1:34:45 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Perhaps you meant “typical” or “usual.” No one is forced to reply so it can’t be “mandentory” (mandatory.)

    (WARNING: another “me too” comment!!!)
    FWIW, I’m with Tom and Galley. I’m happy to have GP2. I appreciate Gobe’s efforts. Anyway, nothing will be gained by whining (or trolling.)

  66. Big Al Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 08/31/2001 1:37:15 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    I would imagine since they’re waiting to see what happens with BeOS before giving an answer on that port I doubt they’d give an answer on something that only exists on paper at this point.

  67. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 08/30/2001 1:55:36 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Thanks for posting a useful response instead of going spelling crazy. At least some people get the point of forums.

  68. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 6:47:02 PM

    Re: Linux..

    Yaa…Sylpheed is a nice app.

    Wish it had a BeOS port… :)

  69. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 12:55:04 AM

    Re: GOBE Productive

    “Everyone who uses an office application in Windows or Linux is so used to using it already that they have no reason to switch to Productive.”

    Except for the ones who think Office sux, but uses it anyway. I’ve heard this from most of the people in my office. If GP can really nail the import/export filters (which is the real downfall of all the competition of late) then why not? Small & integrated > Bloated & grating.

  70. Tom Hoke Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 08/31/2001 1:37:15 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    I think Gobe’s future on Windows is a tough enough nut to crack. Am I personally interested in seeing what can replace BeOS… sure. But I’m an app developer not an OS developer, so I’m curious if these OS efforts have any chance or not.

    I know how much effort it takes to create an office suite. If it takes anything like that to develop an OS, it’s going to be a long wait.

    I can’t stand the idea of M$Windows ruling the world though. It’s almost as offensive as having everyone only using M$Office :)

    -Tom

  71. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 8:28:14 PM

    Re: Word Perfect For Linux

    I believe alot of people jumped onto the “Linux bandwagon” buying the corellinux distro because the Wordperfect app. was packaged with.
    I wonder how sucessful that bundle was?
    I seen it being sold in both a Bestbuy, compUSA, and a local chain, and I read somewhere it’s became the third most popular distro.

  72. Anonymous Says:

    Sounds nice…

    I think Gobe can do very well - their product is great, it’s just what I need anyway, and the price is a price that I like!

    Gobe may have to do some deals with PC manufacturers - to get the newbies to use it!

    But it could be worthwhile!

    I only hope we see a version of Gobe available for the MacOS X in the not to distant future!

    Can you comment on the possibility of a Mac version Tom?

    I hear porting a Windows app to Carbon is supposed to be “easy” :)

  73. mlk Says:

    In Response To Tom Hoke @ 08/31/2001 10:07:28 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Hi, thanks for the responce.

    > If it takes anything like that to develop an OS, it’s going to be a long wait.

    AtheOS has already got quite far.
    BlueOS/OBEDN will take some time…

    but I can live with ‘we’ll wait’.

    mlk

    p.s. has anyone else noticed that the BeOS crowd has [d]evoled into a group of err… picky bugger. I’m sure 1/2 the post in this forum are ‘you spelt xyz wrong…’

  74. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 4:27:29 PM

    Re: BeOS never made them money…

    actually, if i’m not mistaken, Gobe is the one BeOS related company to make a profit. so, now, if you would please check your facts, there’s already to much FUD flying around for you to just outright lie like that.

  75. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/31/2001 11:47:15 AM

    Re: Word Perfect For Linux

    ahem…Gobe actually made a profit selling BeOS and Gobe Productive.

  76. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/01/2001 02:46:24 AM

    Re: Word Perfect For Linux

    I never heard that hey were the 3rd most popular, although that may have been true at one point. I wonder how they tracked that - retail sales? (Personally, I haven’t paid for Linux in over a year, :D although I’m considering the Mandrake box set simply because I’ve always come back to them.) My experience with it was not that great - it lacked a lot of features of other distros, & it didn’t install on my home machine when several others would.

    It was, however, very Windows-like, so it probably appealed to some that way…(maybe if they added a BSOD..)

    I think in more recent times, however Corel was definitely old news.
    [Edited at 17:01 Sep 1 2001 by franknputer]

  77. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 08/31/2001 1:37:15 PM

    Progress after two weeks

    OpenBeOS: Now has a charter. The charter says they will produce a binary compatible BeOS from scratch, something BeOS engineers agree is impossible.
    Has produced zero lines of code, zero public documentation.

    Predicted 52-week achievement: Project closed

    BlueOS: Now has a secret cabal, a basically empty web site and a FAQ list. Say that they intend to impelement their OS using the Linux kernel, GNU tools and X Window system. Hint: That OS already exists and is called GNU/Linux.

    Predicted 52-week achievement: Release of BlueOS, a sub-standard Linux distribution OR Project closed

  78. mlk Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 09/02/2001 08:25:51 AM

    Re: Progress after two weeks

    i’ve been following the OBeOS list, and Bin compatatblity has pritty much been dropped.

    AtheOS, no comment on that?

  79. stephenb Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 08/30/2001 1:55:36 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    Also, any decent text editor - even in Windows land - should be able to properly read Win/Mac/Unix line feeds. EditPlus does, for one.

  80. stephenb Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/30/2001 8:09:36 PM

    Re: Linux is a FREAKING nightmare.

    IIRC, Gobe is mostly run by the same people who started Claris. I still know lots of Mac users that swear by ClarisWorks, even though it’s not been updated in years. I think all of them would jump at the chance to use what they would see as a new version of ClarisWorks.

  81. stephenb Says:

    In Response To WhiteRabbit @ 08/30/2001 10:10:26 AM

    Re: I understand why they are not committing

    We are the dollars and cents
    And the pounds and pence
    And the mark and the yen, and yeah
    We’re going to crack your little souls
    We’re going to crack your little soul

  82. Scar Says:

    While I can understand Toms position…

    It doesn’t really look good for the company that distributes BeOS to be not supporting it with its (kick ass) Office product.

    Palm needs to see that companies are willing to support BeOS. With Gobe, one of the companies closest to BeOS, pulling out, how is that gonna look?

  83. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Tom Hoke @ 08/31/2001 1:17:27 PM

    Re: No replacement for Access :-)

    When you do decide to have a DB tool for Productive . . .

    I hope you do NOT use Access as a template of what a good database tool is.

    Of your not gonna though, or you would have already invested the twenty minutes of coding to create a suitable peer.

    If your gonna compete with MS on a database, at least compete with their best one . . . Visual Fox Pro.

  84. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/29/2001 9:37:05 PM

    Re: PRODUCTIVE 3

    I agree. I plan to purchase the Gobe Productive for Windows version for when I am at work.

    As far as the BeOS version … I will run it for a LONG time into the future … God-willing and creek doesn’t grab me.

    At least releasing the final upgrade would be a good PR thing for Gobe trying to sell it’s Windows version.

    Troy Banther

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