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Be cuts 28 positions - thats 33% of their workforce

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Posted by:Ryan on Tuesday, 31 Jul, 2001 @ 7:34 PM
 
Be Inc

Be, Inc today announced that they would be eliminating 28 positions, which account for 33% of their workforce. Positions cut include the entire sales & marketing departments, as well as some administration and engineering positions. The remaining employees are “primarily engaged in product development.”

In fairness, this could be a bid to raise the value of the company by any means neccessary so the selling price is higher. Or, it could just be desperation. What do you think?



121 Responses to “Be cuts 28 positions - thats 33% of their workforce”

  1. Deej Says:

    Damn.

    That’s all I have to say about that. Damn.

    I feel for you guys that are caught up in all that… good luck out there.

    Deej

  2. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Alright, folks. What this means is that we, the users have to be the marketing eyes and ears for BeOS. Linux doesn’t have a “marketing department”, look where they are now. If you don’t have the energy to do it, don’t complain, just leave Be, but don’t badmouth it either.

    And if anyone posts something negative here, I’ll personally find them and ELIMINATE… ELIMINATE…. ELIMINATE… ELIMINATE…

    Isaac

  3. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 7:49:10 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Is this the “Head in the sand” way of dealing with information?

    The fact is, linux does have a marketing department in redhat, ibm, sun, etc… It doesnt have a marketing department just for itself of course… but then again, it doesnt have any departments. Be is still a company… they have to handle themselves as such. It isnt our job to cover all their marketing… especially since they havent even issued as much as a point release update since nearly a year ago (August 10th, 2000 was the last update)

    I hope it means Be is being bought. I hope it means the OS will come back. But it could mean the end. :-/

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Marketing and Sales?

    WTF have these people been doing the past few months???? But engineers!!!! Thats bad. OOOhhh man. SOMEBODY WITH $$$$ AND BALLS PLEASE BY BE INC!!!!!

    LINUX SUCKS, MAC SUCKS, QNX SUCKS, OS/2 SUCKS, MAC SUCKS, WINDOWS SUCKS, AMIGA SUCKS, DOS SUCKS - - - BEOS IS ALL!!!!!

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Be Staff cuts

    The dismissal of the marketing staff is indicative either that Be has committed itself to being an IT development outsource for a larger company (e.g Sony)or that there is an expectation that a larger company with its own marketing people will take over.

    More likely the reality is that Be is treading water so desperately that its dumping as many “surplus” mouths as possible. In the long term these dismissals and those in April signify that Be is probably no longer a viable commercial entity in itself.

    And for all those who abuse Be and its founder, remember that JLG started the whole thing going by having a committment to vision that we all have benefitted from. To insult the company and its workers for how the market has worked out is just petty. After all Be has been around for a decade, whilst a lot of its competitors have folded.

  6. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 7:49:10 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    would it be negitive to say

    DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD, THE WICKED OLD BE IS DEAAAD!!!

    YES I have been waiting for another layoff, ‘Be’ realistic, BE IS GONE!

  7. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 8:50:50 PM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    all I have to say, is that if BeOS is really all that good, then they wouldnt be going out of business. It was good, a year or two ago, its shit now. Every OS has caught up and surpassed it. Be is a niche, DiE

  8. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:09:36 PM

    Re: Be Staff cuts

    yup, and Be Inc will now fold, ironic that the IT world doesnt exactly like small businesses to stay around forever, DiE Be DiE

  9. WhiteRabbit Says:

    Well,

    it looks like Be, Inc. is either about to be bought, or is _really_ trying to do so.

    I dont know what this means, or what effect this will have on Helmar’s plan, but I hope for the best, though I expect the worst.

    Good wishes to those that were effected by this.

    OTOH, MacOS X is really smooth looking, if I have to leave my beloved BeOS.

    HaveFun!
    WhiteRabbit

  10. LeftTurn Says:

    Wow.

    Good luck to all the departing employees. It’s never fun having to look for another job. I wish everybody well.

    The anonymous fool who’s spouting “die Be die” sounds like a worthless little toad. Maybe he/she will die instead?

    This could be good, but more likely bad for BeOS. I hope to see the community rallying together to help keep BeOS alive. I’m here to do my part. Yesterday was quite positive, about porting Konqueror. A definite step in the right direction there IMHO.

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:17:13 PM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    You don’t get it do you?

  12. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:18:31 PM

    Re: Be Staff cuts

    Did Be kill your cat? Is that why the hostility? Course, the capitilization is an indication that it doesnt really matter.

    One day, when you are standing over your mothers grave screaming “DiE Mom DiE” I hope you realize how sick you really are.

  13. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 07/31/2001 10:23:24 PM

    Re: Wow.

    Really? I kinda thought helping on the mozilla port would be more useful than launching yet another browser port project and fragmenting the few developers still around.

    Course, what do I know, right?

    (p.s. - this is not meant as negative as it sounds… i just think that mozilla is so far along, it seems dumb to just jump on something else because its there.)

  14. Anonymous Says:

    Could be good…for us…

    Be Inc, has apparently been in talks with an un-named company for the past two months now.

    This major lay-off could mean that they’ve finally decided to go ahead with the merger, takeover etc.

    The way I see it, clinging to the last chance of hope, is that if Be was just trying to survive, they wouldn’t have layed off their entire marketing department, they would have kept a few around for necessary marketing. But this could be me clinging to the last chance of hope.

    So hopefully these lay-offs are just preperation for the other companies larger marketing department to take over.

    If only Be, Inc would stop be so secretive in their motives!

  15. Deej Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 11:02:53 PM

    Re: Could be good…for us…

    Companies lay off all but the absolutely necessary everyday these days. It doesn’t mean anything anymore - as far as “what it means”. Either they are squeezing as much life outta what money is left, they have a plan, or they are trying to look like they have a plan for potential buyers/investors. Tons of companies do the same for any of those three reasons in this dot-bomb world.

    Means nothing to help paint our blanked-out, big picture we wish we could see.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:09:36 PM

    Re: Be Staff cuts

    Be only stayed around for a decade by burning investor money. They have never been economically viable. Never. Their business model has sucked from the beginning, not just during this recent market downturn.

    I don’t like to see Be crash and burn, but to just blame it on the market is silly. The market has been a factor for the last year, but Be has been mismanaged far longer than that.

  17. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 07/31/2001 11:29:22 PM

    Re: Could be good…for us…

    You forgot one option: the usual management malpractice by the ship of fools known as Be. I don’t think the bunch of them have the collective brain power to put an intellegent plan together, let alone carry it out.

  18. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 00:36:12 AM

    Re: Wait a minute…

    The Sales and Marketing departments were selling and marketing BeIA.

    In a manner of speaking.

    Without wading in over our necks in Lake Sarcastic, the point here is that Sales and Marketing was there to identify, secure, and support the customers (er, customer) for BeIA, and there would still be a need for this if Be had any cash flow to speak of to support the employees.

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 10:47:18 AM

    Re: A Warped Thought

    whatever. You think that by Bill Gates purchasing Be Inc. will set off the alarms in the anti-trust case? Hah! I love BeOS–it is a beautiful peice of technology but let’s face it folks, controlling Be Inc. will not get you any closer to controlling the PC market. BeOS’s share of the PC market is almost non-existant. What whould start the ol’ anti-trust sirens would be if big bad M$ somehow figured out a way to “buy” Linux :) . Linux being the only real competitor to MS Windows and Apple.

  20. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 07/31/2001 10:39:22 PM

    Re: Wow.

    I don’t know… I never really thought of Mozilla as the type of browser suited to BeOS. I’d vouch for something small like Opera but about as complete as the Photon webbrowser for QNX.

    Just personal preference…

  21. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 09:48:43 AM

    Re: Names?

    with our luck…they cut the single developer working on BeOS (that runs on PCs). LOL

    Let’s hope not!

  22. Anonymous Says:

    Wait a minute…

    If Be handed all the actual “sales” and “marketing” of BeOS to the distributers, then what have all these marketing and sales people been doing?

    I’m not trying to say they were bums leeching off Be. I’m sure they did their best at what ever it was they did. I honestly wish them the best of luck.

    But this seems like it was inevitable. The powers that be at Be Inc. have decided to focus strictly on software developement. BeOS is being packaged, marketed, and sold by Gobe and the likes. BeIA is being packaged and sold by Sony, and other IA makers.

    What was left for the sales department to sell? What was left for the marketing department to market?

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 10:25:01 PM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    Spose I dont

    Be Inc wont tell users if the OS has a chance
    Be Inc wont release any software
    Be Inc has stock at .47
    BeOS is lacking programs
    BeOS is lacking users
    BeOS is lacking up to date features

    I dont see whats cutting edge here, its Be’s time to bite the bullet, they never made it past diaper stages, they dont have a chance now.

  24. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To franknputer @ 08/01/2001 11:33:51 AM

    Re: Two More words

    nope, I cant, letme me give you some (4)0

    FUCK YOU BeOS LOSER

  25. Jason Says:

    No “Forward Looking statements”

    I find it curious that be no longer has to put the forward looking statment warning in its press releases since they no longer make statments about the future. I guess there is no future for Be unless they get the present under control.

    -Jason

  26. Anonymous Says:

    Cut to death

    But what’s the use? Anyone knows? If they continue this way, finally we’ll only have JLG and Sakoman. There wasn’t any need for any of these sacrifices. The *only* person who they had to fire in the first place is the person responsible for the focus shift and the consequent conspiracy nightmare. Damn. We probably see the end of the great company and it’ll take years for BeOS to be reborn if Be goes belly up. Just like Amiga. And if they really are about to be bought, why don’t they just say so? Everyone inc. myself wanted to see some wisdom in what Be has been doing for these months but the decesions that came from the company seem to be coming from a 5-year old kid. They don’t listen to reason now. And this is a capitalist world which doesn’t allow mistakes. Let alone BIG mistakes like this. So even though I hope there IS a reason for them to fire 33% (!!!) of their already not numerous staff, it just can’t be that way… There’s no reason and there’s no excuse. JLG got what he got because he lost the only thing he had - his users, betrayed them thinking only of money.

    Buck

  27. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 07/31/2001 7:41:58 PM

    Re: Damn.

    Over 1 million copies downloaded and Be turned their backs on us. Hopefully the soon to Be new owners will know what to do with BeOS when they do buy Be or invest in them. I’ve been through downsizing like this. Just before a bigger fish buys a company out, the smaller one usually trims as much as they can to make themselves more attractive. So my guess is a deal is *very* close.

    -scottmc

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 7:49:10 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Yes, my friend, you have gone astray to some extend here… If, apart from the fact that you completely missed the point here, there would be even remotely such thing like taking over the marketing for Be Inc., than it had to be for BeIA, NOT BeOS since this is what those cut positions were marketing… With your perception of what’s going on you must really have a fun time on this planet… should I envy you?

  29. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I feel compelled to write something, but I’m not really sure what. This is as close to the demise of BeOS as we’ve ever been, it seems.

    What I am afraid of is a large company buying Be and discontinuing all it’s software, which nows seems very likely.

    Be should have bribed a large company to develop a killer app a long time ago. Apple realized this and bribed Adobe. Wonder why JLG repeated Apple’s first mistake (ie. thinking that “the platform is good enough to inspire companies to build their own killer apps”)?

    But that’s all in the past now. I’m just hoping that my dream scenario is going to be fullfilled (Sony buying Be and putting BeOS into the Playstation2).

    Ps. What the FUCK is up with all the apps on BeBits being released REQUIRING bone? Seriously, can’t someone leak it before it’s too late? Alot of people have said that it’s “finished” already…

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 8:50:50 PM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    Yeah, and MAC is really bad, ‘cauz it sucks twice.. huh

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 04:40:30 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Be sure BONE beta(s) will leak as soon as it no more violate the NDA agreement: BONE is released OR BONE *owner* disappear (*sob*).

  32. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 05:21:58 AM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    Funny you should say that. I walked into my old work this morning to say hello and my old Mac Head friend was caught in a middle of a reboot (-:

    Mac OS Classic is a piece of shit. OSX is un optimised graphic garbage, ooh but it is based on Unix. WHO CARES. Unix needs major structural changes to improve and move with the times. Ironically the people writing GNU Hurd hate the current folder structures in Linux/Unix, they are trying to break away whilst maintian some form of caompatability for app porting.

    BeOS is the only decent Media Workstation OS available and it is being pissed to the wind. I hope that the sinking ship is in shallow water and that it is refloated soon as I see no other OS that fits my needs as BeOS has the potential to.

    Win anything crap, Mac anything crap, Unix anything crap, I won’t even look at QNX (been there done that).

    The King is dead, long live the King.

    Piers

  33. Anonymous Says:

    Some life

    There is a lifesign. I think for a monent they are all dead on BE Inc.Maybe they cut of the big expensive part in Be Inc?

    I read about zorkmids on Be news I was remmeber something about zorkmids before Nvida have purchase 3dfx.

  34. Anonymous Says:

    Down with BS….down with things obscene…

    O P E N S O U R C E N O W !

    …don’t forget the last one to leave must switch off the lights and lock the doors…

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 04:40:30 AM

    BONE on Bebits

    Amen. I’m as saddened as everyone else, and I hope the above posters are right and this is the last step before getting taken over by someone.

    To the topic for which I posted, IF on the weird chance that Be does go belly up, can SOMEONE please leak BONE to the world? I would like to play with all those cool apps I see before having to switch eventually to another OS for good. :-(

    Good luck to Be and the people layed off. I just hope that is light I see at the end of the tunnel. :-/

  36. Anonymous Says:

    A Warped Thought

    Ok, here’s a warped thought I KNOW I’m going to get flamed for! :-)

    Like most people in the alternative OS community, I’ve been frequently frustrated by Microsoft. And as a developer for Industry leaders that don’t even compete at all with them, I’ve still felt their extremely sharp elbows.

    However, I know one thing. Bill Gates is not STUPID! When will the alt-os community (ok, mostly the Linux community) get it through their thick skulls that this guy got to where he is by being one of the most intelligent business people the world has ever seen? He wants dominance of the Software market–and many other markets, but the software market is what concerns this quote. I see this as simply what an incredibly intelligent and ambitious person would do in his shoes. People always look for bigger challenges in life. For him, he’s as high as anyone can go. Why do you think so many millionaires like Forbes and Perot hopped into politics? It was a new challenge.

    Anyway, Bill Gates wants dominance. I don’t think he cares about whether the world’s PCs run Windows, BeOS, or NeptuneOS as long as it’s HIS OS. I wouldn’t be half surprised if Microsoft bought Be, gave them 100 million a year, and said, “Have fun competing with us, take over the world.” and smiled. Because if Be comes out on top, Microsoft comes out on top. In his book, “The Road Ahead” he describes having multiple design teams working on the same EXACT product. The team that wins gets a big bonus, then a select devel team from both sides chooses the BEST features of both and creates the final product. So I already know he doesn’t mind duplicating work.

    Also, there is one other VERY important detail. The Clinton administration was pursuing anti-trust stuff against Microsoft. The Bush administration is more company friendly, and may be just looking for a way to put the suit against Microsoft away without losing face. For Microsoft, $100 million is chump change, and it would be great anti-trust insurance.

    Ok…ok…so I admit. I’m trying to bait people a bit. But it makes some sense, doesn’t it?

    Alright, have fun! Tear apart my argument! :-)

  37. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 07/31/2001 10:39:22 PM

    Re: Wow.

    I understand your thinking there Nutcase. Mozilla/Bezilla is a huge undertaking and I appreciate what that wonderful group has done so far. I would like to see it become a useable browser. There is still a long way to go.

    Having a lighter alternative can’t be a bad thing. I don’t think the Konqueror port will take very many people away, if at all. And it has the potential to be finished rapidly. At least that’s my opinion.

    No matter what happens, we do need leadership to get any project done. I’m hoping Helmar’s plan takes off or some talented people step forward into the leadership role as that is key to getting anything done.

  38. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 08:23:48 AM

    Re: BONE on Bebits

    sorry…BONE and OpenGL are already leaked..

  39. chrish Says:

    In Response To WhiteRabbit @ 07/31/2001 9:54:41 PM

    Re: Well,

    Be sure to try MacOS X out in a store on “modern” Apple hardware before jumping on that boat… I tried it on a G4 box the other day here in Ottawa and it was insanely unresponsive. Worse than Windows 98SE on my x86 box (a dual P3 666, not that 98 uses the second processor).

    - chrish

  40. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 7:49:10 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    You miss the point… Linux wouldn’t be anywhere either if it wasn’t for the fact that its under CONSTANT DEVELOPEMENT!

    In my mind BeOS has been dead since the day Be moved on to BeIA…

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 03:20:03 AM

    Re: Damn.

    “So my guess is a deal is *very* close”

    Let’s hope it’s a good deal…one that breathes life back in BeOS.

  42. Anonymous Says:

    Names?

    Have we any idea who went from the Engineering dept? They must have cut deep into some project or another by the sound of it

  43. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Remeber the article “Be has forgotten how to release software”?

    Well, Be Inc. now being without administative personelly finally seems to have made it sure that it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to release anything.

    Aaaargh!

    Why the hell spend 20million for a trip into space when you can rescue Be instead and bring salvation to the world!? Let’s hope for a good samaritan act from some company which decides to buy Be before we’re all doomed!

  44. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 06:00:49 AM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    the current folder structures in Linux/Unix

    Uhmm, folder structure? Your word choice makes me think you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  45. Kart Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 08/01/2001 09:15:07 AM

    Re: Well,

    Yeah, it’s pretty depressing. The best thing Apple has going for them is their money and the momentum of the Mac market. Apple can blunder through a few years of suckitude, burning lots of cash, and they’ll still have plenty of assets left over.

  46. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 08:35:49 AM

    Re: A Warped Thought

    Can’t see why Bill Gates would buy Be, when his R&D dep’t. could clone it in about a month. Besides, he already has $100M invested in Apple, so buying Be, Inc. would look a lot like an attempt to take over the whole PC industry, which would alert the antitrust lawyers.

    No, that won’t happen.

    haiqu

  47. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 06:17:10 AM

    Re: Some life

    As we all know, Zorkmid coins are stamped with a portrait of Lord Dimwit Flathead the Excessive.

    If Be Inc were analogous to the Great Underground Empire, who would that be? Sakoman? Potts? Hmm, maybe I’m on to something…
    [Edited at 11:12 Aug 1 2001 by Kart]

  48. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 10:09:38 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    JBQ’s gone. Not sure who else was cut.

    Be may have forgotten how to release software as a company, but the ex-Be people still exist. As a loosely organized community, they’re still capable of putting together an unsupported “distribution” once it’s all over or whenever the NDAs expire.

  49. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 8:50:50 PM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    I’m with you, buddy.

    Anyone want to lend me $20M so I can buy the company?

    haiqu

  50. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 08/01/2001 10:50:18 AM

    hmmm

    https://metis.be.com
    http://aloha.be.com

    “What’s the password? You can’t get in without the password. And don’t try ‘Swordfish’, I know it’s not that. I tried it myself, I couldn’t get in, so I know it’s not that.”

  51. arougthopher Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 07/31/2001 10:39:22 PM

    Re: Wow.

    There is a definite need for developers in the BeZilla project. The number of bugs listed, is not that great, but there are also bugs that are not listed. Most of the problems that we need to worry about are in Be specific pieces of code. (Like the keyboard shortcuts, that Makoto and myself, got working the other day).

    I am not an experienced BeOS programmer, let alone C programmer. With my knowledge, it takes me a while to track down bugs and fix them.

    One of the biggest complaints about BeZilla is performance and stability. Increasing performance would be extremely hard for me, though not impossible.

    I guess the reason I’m posting is to let people know that you don’t need a lot of experience in order to help with the project. Some people get intimidated by the size of the code base. (Some people just don’t have the processing power or disk space, either). But, you can also look at the code yourself, and suggest changes, or ideas, and have one of the people, like myself, who are currently working on the project, try the change out, and go from there.

    If this project is to continue in a timely fashion, we will need help. Otherwise, everyone will just have to be patient, and we all know how patient BeOS users are. :)

  52. Anonymous Says:

    Two words:

    HA HA!

  53. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 11:12:55 AM

    Two More words

    Can you guess what they are?

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 07/31/2001 7:41:58 PM

    Re: Damn.

    I know what being out of a job feels like … hope you guys and gals that got the axe get work real soon.

    Troy Banther

  55. franknputer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 12:42:19 AM

    Re: Two More words

    Well, that’s intelligent, isn’t it? At least as much as hanging around a posting site putting up anonymous comments gloating over other peoples’ misfortunes.

    The words I had in mind were “Go Away”. I think I’ll throw in “Get A Life, Troll” - no extra charge.
    [Edited at 13:19 Aug 1 2001 by franknputer]

  56. Anonymous Says:

    Marketing???

    Not that Be ever did any real marketing for BeIA, but it outsourced the sales and marketing of BeOS to Gobe and others LONG ago. WTF have these people been doing the past year-and-a-half since Be announced R5 and the switch to IA’s? What a fucked up company. Too bad, as BeOS is one mean, MF.

  57. bkakes Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 08/01/2001 09:15:07 AM

    Re: Well,

    Everyone in the Mac community and at Apple knows that Mac OS X’s performance currently sucks. However, if you watched the keynote, you’d see that OS X 10.1 will be coming out in September, which is supposed to really boost performance, among other things.

    Links:

    Apple’s page on OS X 10.1:
    http://www.apple.com/macosx/newversion/

    The Register claims speed bumps are real:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20762.html

  58. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 08:35:49 AM

    Re: A Warped Thought

    There isn’t any point of Microsoft buying Be. Any advantage that BeOS had over Windows is being eroded away. Like it or not, Windows IS getting better, and the newer processors make any OS a media OS.

    The fat lady has finished her song and is on her back to the dressing room. It’s over.

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 12:42:19 AM

    Re: Two More words

    That’s four words, you moron.

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 12:06:09 AM

    Re: Wait a minute…

    I understand that they still need to sell and market BeIA.

    But the difference between BeOS and BeIA, is that BeOS is sold mostly to end users. While BeIA is only sold to OEM’s. While there may be tens of thousands of BeOS customers, and potentialy more, their are only maybe a hundered OEm’s with the resources to manufacture IA’s.

    Point being, you don’t really need much of a sales and marketing staff to, at best, handle 100 OEM’s.

  61. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 2:50:34 PM

    Re: Two More words

    yeah smartypants, thats why he put a 4 in () idiot

  62. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Jason @ 08/01/2001 00:44:17 AM

    Re: No

    does this mean no more forward looking statements…?

  63. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 12:42:19 AM

    Re: Two More words

    calm down, Bill

  64. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:16:08 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    gawhd help us, benews is down and the gremlins are on us! run for your lives! oh wait this is just a discussion board and not IRL, phew. For a second I thought those teenagers with too much time were actually getting off their butt and getting out to do something not cYbER :-) (not that they’re productive in the cYbER world either, anyway).

  65. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 09:36:29 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    so much time, so much ‘developers’ working for free on Linux since 1990 (there must be what, 5 or 10 times more people working on the kernel and drivers that there are engineers, admins and executives at Be ?) and Linux is still not there.. such a shame. As ESR said, “the bazaard”.

  66. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 11:12:55 AM

    Re: Two words:

    I think what we have to do here with is a frustrated Windoze user…

  67. Deej Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 00:10:22 AM

    Re: Wow.

    You are not talking about Voyager, are you? The last I check that out, it had less support than BeOS does as far as web standards go. I could be wrong, it’s been several months since I’ve played with QNX, but still…

  68. Deej Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 12:42:19 AM

    Re: Two More words

    Mmmm, with BeNews down, they’re starting to leak over here. :(

  69. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 08/01/2001 10:27:33 AM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    Oh right, maybe I should have stated directory structure. I would hope that my intended audience has an ounce of intelligence and are able to get the idea of what I’m saying without “absolute correct computing distinctions” pointed out to them.

    Stuctures like
    /usr
    /tmp
    /bin
    /home

    and all the other directories that go into the directory structure of Linux/Unix (the former being closely based on the latter). Try looking at the discussion on GNU Hurd at www.debianplanet.org to get an idea of what I’m on about.

    Don’t be so quick to jump to stupid conclusions about someones knowledge.

    Piers the Pissed Off

  70. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 08/01/2001 6:59:14 PM

    Re: Two More words

    lol, i hate benews forums, they teh suck

  71. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 4:43:44 PM

    Re: Two words:

    Hey idiot, im happy be is going the way of the dodos, how would I be frustrated?? I HATE BE

  72. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 4:04:13 PM

    Re: No

    ROFL

  73. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 08/01/2001 10:58:40 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    You can’t distribute “unsupported” distribution even when “It’s all over” — because some of the codes belongs to 3d parties. (It’s the same reason why Be Inc. can’t opensourced BeOS.)

  74. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 3:19:49 PM

    Re: Wait a minute…

    You do need a lot of sales people for OEM customers — they like their questions and email be answered pronto. It’s not like you, the lowly end user, waiting for days to get your email inquiries answered.

  75. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 10:09:16 PM

    [No Subject]

    Be can always do an open-source release ala netscape or crack.com. both of these companies had proprietary portions of their programs. netscape even reserved special naming rights. both programs are still alive and kicking today even though they would have been dead long ago without open-source development.

  76. georges Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 8:07:15 PM

    Re: Two words:

    why?

  77. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To georges @ 08/01/2001 11:36:06 PM

    Re: Two words:

    lets see, cause the cute little penguin has treated me better. because all these be people havent given much effort into seeing what theyre missing, cause Be is teh suck!

  78. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:17:13 PM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    You, sir, are a chode.

  79. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To WhiteRabbit @ 07/31/2001 9:54:41 PM

    Re: Well,

    Just got BeOS, sucks to see the company going under like this. Sick of WinBlows, tried Linux and found myself in config script hell after using it for less than a week. OS X looks promising, assuming they get all the bugs out of it. Then again, even if they do, there’s no way I’m paying as much for a computer as Apple would like me to. The x86 750mhz w/256 mb ram and a 30gb hd on my desk right now cost me around $450, w/out a monitor. No way you can get a Mac that good for any less than twice the price. I fail to see how anyone but a religious mac fanatic can justify paying that much more for their machine. Guess I’ll hafta go back to Winblows or spend a few years to learn linux *cries* Come back to us, Be!

  80. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:18:31 PM

    Re: Be Staff cuts

    Just another useless troll who’s contributed…oh…jack shit to Be. Probably didn’t buy R4.5 or R5. Either that, or is trolling because of its stupidity of Putting-All-One’s-Egg-In-One-Basket. Fuck off, troll.

  81. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 11:40:25 PM

    Re: Two words:

    Yeah, well, the “cute” penguin treated me like shit. Had to buy a whole new system of OUTDATED HARDWARE because Linux does’t WORK on the latest and greatest. Considering it’s the king of the alternative OS world, I really expected better. Ok, ok, so I’m using that same system w/ beos. That’s alright, cuz at least BeOS didn’t add insult to injury by taking an ungodly ammount of time to install and putting me through Config Script Hell. If only someone would come out w/ a distribution of Linux that takes less than 4 months to get properly configured and running well… (don’t EVEN say Redhat. Ok, they’ve made the install a bit smoother. Great. Too bad it’s still the same old Linux when you’re done installing. And don’t get me started on Debian. Someone might get hurt.) The point is, unless things change drastically, Linux will never beat Windows in the home user market. Ever. BeOS had a shot at that, and I mourn its passing.

  82. Anonymous Says:

    Bye bye Be

    It’s a darn good thing I bought BeOS a month ago… a few more months and I probably couldn’t get ti at all.
    I like Be as an alternative OS (a lot more than I liked Linux or OS/2).
    I’ll keep using it to surf the web and check my email… but not much more than that.
    My system is triple-boot with BeOS 5, Windows 98, and Windows 2000.
    I use BeOS to piddle around with, Windows 2000 for “serious” work, and Windows 98 to play games…. if Be really is on the outs, I guess that’s all I’ll ever be able to use Be for.

    Be “could of been a contender”… but they suffer from the same syndrome that AMD suffers from: no end-user marketing. I had never heard of Be until about 6 months ago… I stumbled across an old article about it at the PC Magazine website and downloaded the free version.; a few months later, I bought the Pro version.
    I still think it was a good purchase. I just hate to see it end like this.

    -Jason

  83. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 11:18:41 AM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    Thanx for screwing up the forms on this webpage for everybody.

    Could you be kind enough to insert some line breaks in your $$$?

  84. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 9:19:25 PM

    Re: No

    don’t suppose there’s much point in “forward looking statements” when you’re face is smack up against a brick wall…

  85. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 11:40:25 PM

    Re: Two words:

    Hey, turdburglar. You’re a moron if you allowed Be to mysteriously “fuck you over” in some way by putting yourself into that position. Worthless skinbag.

  86. Deej Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 00:38:09 AM

    Re: Bye bye Be

    I think that BeOS will remain on a lot of current users systems for a while to come… if for the mp3 capabilities alone. I recently ripped 30 gigs of cds without ever closing the app (Gadget/Go-goGadget), no less rebooting. It wasn’t a daylong job… but it was cranking pretty steady over those days I was doing it. And I used the system for web tasks and listening to tunes at the same time. BeOS works for me for many tasks, and works well. Should things get worse, I’ll probably start getting used to some other OS again… but BeOS will be on that lil’ ol’ dual celery 366 for quite a while.

  87. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 10:46:04 PM

    Ain’t gonna happen

    It would take a huge amount of engineering work to seperate the licensed code from the code that can be released as open source. Unless the next owner of Be want’s BeOS to be opensource it will not happen.

  88. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 07/31/2001 7:41:58 PM

    Re: Damn and whhhhyyyyy!

    Here’s to hoping against the worst.I guess the world is not fair. Be remains a brilliant piece of work. Whatever happens until someone *begins* to develope something it will remain my primary OS. I too feel for everone struggling at Be and the whole community. Hell if Be survives it will make one damn heart wrenching film.

    It is really sick that the rest of this discussion gets polluted by the offensive excrement of an immature linux troll hell bent to piss on this very sad news. Pity Linux is okay but freaks like that have turned me completely off it.

  89. CattBeMac Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 08/01/2001 2:31:47 PM

    Re: Well,

    Yeah I am hoping that Mac OS X 10.1 does get better and faster. I am using Mac OS 9.1 until further notice when the 10.1 gets released. I have to say the G4 story sounds a bit odd being that it has the improved technology of Altivec’s Velocity Engine which is suppose to improve performance for such things like graphics. I am about to purchase a TiBook (PowerBook) G4 for work as soon as I get around to it. I am very excited about it. I am going to get the top model and I will partition a side for Mac OS X / Mac OS 9.1 and the other side will befor YellowDog Linux. And after that I will be building a new BeBox for more toys to play with at home.
    [Edited at 5:55 Aug 2 2001 by CattBeMac]

  90. CattBeMac Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 08/01/2001 08:50:05 AM

    Re: Wow.

    I don’t see why not… Konquerer is a very powerful File Manager/Web Browser and it works perfectly for the most part. I have found only a few things that could be done better. But my experience with BeZilla so far has not been so good. It is too slow and unstable. But I am glad that there is a BeZilla team and I can imagine that they will have it working right eventually. But you can’t complain about having a new browser on BeOS, the more the better!

  91. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 06:00:49 AM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    You been listening to too much Megadeth dude!

  92. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 04:08:44 AM

    Re: Damn and whhhhyyyyy!

    yeah even cmdrtaco of slashdot wrote an article about those stupid freaks that are really killing the reputation of linux.
    AriB

  93. CattBeMac Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 06:00:49 AM

    Re: Marketing and Sales?

    You want something more powerful than UNIX…?

    Then VMS needs to be brought back to life! And I’m not talking about Compaq’s rendition of it.

    VMS!..VMS!..VMS!..VMS!..VMS!..VMS!..VMS!..VMS!..!!!
    [Edited at 6:10 Aug 2 2001 by CattBeMac]

  94. Anonymous Says:

    so long and thanks for all the fish

    fare thee well, we hardly knew ye…

  95. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 11:54:17 PM

    Re: Could be good…for us…

    Considering BeOS is the only (if you count OS/2 out) -commercial- alt. OS that ever somewhat challenged the MS monopoly on the x86 desktop, something I’d have hardly imagined back in PPC days, what they achieved is pretty good in my book; having done better would have been an herculean task.. I’m as disappointed as the next guy that they didn’t achieve a miracle (that’s what it would have taken, since the main alt.OS currently ahcives 4% on the desktop by being Free as in beer so what can you do) but that’d have been just that — a miracle.

    Oh, and w/o mentionning (that would be insulting to just even remotely think about prepairing to start to compare the two) that challenging MS for all those years is infinitely more achievment than hot air — excuse me, a few bytes — grouped on the HDisk of a dusty server somewhere in a basement, which is all I’ve ever seen achiveved by anon cowards around here.

  96. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 00:14:33 AM

    Re: Two words:

    nobody really has a shot of overdoing windows, if anybody, it is linux because of popularity, if you dont like configuring things, you may not want to run linux, what did you expect, thats what makes *nix the geeky awesome os it is. plenty of linux distribs are made for users to install and use, I find that by the next morning my linux system is running alot more stable and fast than anything else.

  97. Anonymous Says:

    What Be’s marketing used to do

    I just want to mention that Be’s marketing department did have a function and did do good things for Be.

    They would have organized the trade-show appearances, speaking engagements, and liasoned with partners and potential partners. They also would had a hand in producing the printed materials and slides in these events.

    Without them you might not have seen Be at COMDEX, CES, the BeOS Symposium, details about the HARP prototype ‘Aura’, or any details about MAP. Be might not have attracted as many hardware and software partners and might not have Sony as a customer.

    You will now know even less about Be Inc. because there are no longer people assigned to packaging and disseminating information in a controlled manner as required by the SEC.

  98. Anonymous Says:

    WTF?

    The entire sales devision? Well, that will work if they don’t plan on selling anything…

    They have a marketing department? I’ve never knew that… wow… there why haven’t we seen any BeOS marketing? damn. I wish Sony or Sun would buy Be. Then BeOS really would have a chance.

    BTW, what happened to BeNews?

  99. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 03:20:03 AM

    Re: Damn.

    “I’ve been through downsizing like this. Just before a bigger fish buys a company out, the smaller one usually trims as much as they can to make themselves more attractive. So my guess is a deal is *very* close. ”

    Ya. Yo got it exactly. Why else would they elimiate there sales and marketing departments? they can’t live with out them. Obviously because some one is going to buy them and they already have a sales and marketing division…

  100. Anonymous Says:

    Shit…

    Shit…

  101. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 12:42:19 AM

    Re: Two More words

    that’s FOUR words. He was probley think of “fuck off” you see, that’s only two words…

  102. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:18:31 PM

    Re: Be Staff cuts

    fuck off… go away. we don’t want you here.

  103. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 9:09:36 PM

    Re: Be Staff cuts

    I wouldn’t call there sales and marketing departments surplus unless they are going to get sold soon…

  104. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To WhiteRabbit @ 07/31/2001 9:54:41 PM

    Re: Well,

    macosx yuck. what a beos rip off…

  105. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 07/31/2001 10:39:22 PM

    Re: Wow.

    Mozilla completleyt sucks. It sucks on Windoze. It sucks on QNX. It sucks on BeOS. We need a good web browser. I don’t know if Konquer will be it or no… but I hope so. Also with the new version of oprea coming out…

  106. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 08:16:40 AM

    Re: Down with BS….down with things obscene…

    ugh. only when be dies will i want it to be open sourced. why do you want it to Be OSed now? Look at Linux for good’s sake! It’s a buggy bloated POS! AtheOS (wich is open source) is not bad though..

  107. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 08:46:43 AM

    Re: Two More words

    it was already said, but it now applies to you:
    yeah smartypants, thats why he put a 4 in () idiot

  108. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 08:51:50 AM

    Re: Well,

    it’s really a vicious circle!

  109. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 10:09:16 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    1) I never said it would be legal to release a post-R5 distribution of BeOS. Regardless of NDA status, the software is still licensed and copyrighted. Copyright laws are fairly weak and if done carefully I’m sure it could be possible to distribute an “R6″ without too much risk of an FBI raid or anything. Of course it would still be illegal in most western countries.

    2) It is NOT possible to strip out the licensed parts from the parts of BeOS that might be released as opened source.

  110. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 11:57:40 AM

    Re: Damn.

    here here

  111. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 08:35:49 AM

    Re: A Warped Thought

    multiple design teams working on the same EXACT product

    ahhh, that explanes the incosidincys in Office

  112. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 00:14:33 AM

    Re: Two words:

    > And don’t get me started on Debian

    on a fresh install of Debain

    gcc -lX11 -(some other stuff, works fine on other boxes) SimpleXApp
    X #includes not found.

    Bit of shit.

  113. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 09:00:56 AM

    Re: Two More words

    perhaps if he knew how to type, it would be more obvious…

    (4)0

    hmmm…. yeah, I would naturally assume that means “four words”… especially the “0″

    idiots

  114. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 11:40:25 PM

    Re: Two words:

    “I Hate Be because everyone here refuses to listen to me and see things my way.”

    That has got to be just about the ultimate expression of immaturity.

  115. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 08:44:15 AM

    Re: Shit…

    “it has hit the fan”

  116. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/01/2001 08:56:44 AM

    Re: BONE on Bebits

    Whould someone please tell me where I can get my hands on the leaked BONE and OpenGL.

    esox.lucius@mail.com

  117. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 12:57:13 AM

    Re: No

    Maybe they should publish Sideways Looking Statements instead

  118. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 4:40:19 PM

    Re: No

    Well it probably won’t be long before all any of us can issue are “backward-looking statements.”

  119. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 1:06:17 PM

    Re: Two words:

    I dont think thats this idiots mentality, I think its just that he wants us to inspect what is really going on in the market. Hes right, I havent looked into other stuff because I’m stuck on lovin Be, and I will forever!

  120. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 08/02/2001 1:02:43 PM

    Re: Two More words

    anonymous cant edit the 0 out, If he wants to troll, youd think hed make it easier to work with his posts

  121. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 07/31/2001 7:49:10 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    At least Wal-Mart has enough sense to sell Linux.

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