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…and the flies are dropping - there’s nothing to feed on

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Posted by:Deej on Thursday, 28 Jun, 2001 @ 2:52 AM
 
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Well, we’ve seen sites die, go up for sale, and disappear. BeDope and yaBel are up for sale, and many others have been long since abandoned (some of mine included - but not due to dispair, but available time). BeScreens even closed a couple of months ago and I didn’t realize it.

Companies - We lost Wildcard Design, Beatware, ThunderMunchkin, and countless others. Recently, we’ve lost ObjectSynth (as posted recently on BeNews), and Echo has dropped thier BeOS driver plans. Now, today, Hailstone Software has officially dropped out of the picture. And Gobe has to be hurting, they haven’t seen a new release of BeOS or Productive in what, a year?!

It’s not lookin’ too peachy folks… But then, we knew this decline would come. How many of us are actually still hangin’ on? Which of the three big news sites will be the last one to post some BeOS news? The longstanding, up and down BeOS Central, the omnipresent BeNews, or us? I think the safe bet would be leBuzz, they’ve got the most happening professionally right now. I honestly hope and pray we won’t know the answer to that question for a couple of years yet. Here’s to blind faith and hoping. ;) Sorry to bring you all down.

Well, I for one, am not ashamed to beg… Be, we are starving out here… feed us something… anything. I know you are in a very touchy situation right now, but we need something - NOW - to stay alive as a community. I’m begging you. We’re all begging you. A simple press release or even just an open letter from JLG or Steve S., or even let the engineers speak up and out, just a little bit. Something, anything… [scratchy voice] water… I need water…



94 Responses to “…and the flies are dropping - there’s nothing to feed on”

  1. filo Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 06/28/2001 11:42:22 AM

    Re: Doesn’t matter

    uhh, you almost had me there. if be doesn’t want to reverse engineer, then that’s their business. i can understand that. moving into the x86 market helped keep beos alive for a little while longer. but you’re right about the ia market; that was a stupid gamble that be placed entirely too much upon. the more and more i read about (the lack of) the ia market, the more i think that this is not how be is going to save itself.

  2. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 10:42:44 AM

    hey dickhead

    if you think be’s a goner, why are you here?

  3. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 11:22:25 AM

    Re: ?!

    yeah, i have to agree. deej, you could have worded that more as an open letter to be asking for some sign of life, and less like a lament/eulogy for beos websites and developers.

  4. Big Al Says:

    In Response To arougthopher @ 06/28/2001 09:58:36 AM

    Re: Investment group …

    And what happens when half the consolidated investors want BeOS to opensource and the other half wants BeOS to remain closed? If you’re just going to do a “majority rules”, then that already exists with the current shareholders.

    It would probably be easier to try and herd existing investors if you’re really interested in doing this.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 12:06:30 AM

    Deej is right

    I prefer the way Deej worded it. It was an honest post. Open letters are for corporate lamers (see: Sakoman’s open letter last year) and Be wouldn’t care anyway.

  6. Anonymous Says:

    it has been tried a year ago

    we tried that more or less exactly a year ago at i-bug.org asking Be to release a roadmap through a petition, obviously there was no response from Be.

    thies

  7. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 12:40:27 AM

    whoops, this was supposed to be a comment to the previous entry n/t

    no text

  8. DaaT Says:

    soap opera?

    Sheeeeeesh Deej… you’ve been watching too many of those things :D
    I especially liked that “scratch voice” bit :)

    Yes it’s gloomy, but it will pick up, trust me. Besides, for a dead platform (OS), it sure is strange to see new faces almost daily. Either in the portuguese GUB IRC channel or BeShare, they just keep coming.

    Here’s to better days… cheers :)

  9. Anonymous Says:

    Whats going on ???

    Have to agree with Deej on this.. although there’s some good news its mostly pro audio (not a bad thing at all), Bezilla and the evilla, its just the complete lack of any information from Melno Park thats just shocking. Some news from JLG or Steve on the BeOS/IA would be better than the wall of silence. We all know that somethings happening with the New MediaKit/OpenGL and BONE but whats the point if we’re never going to see it ??? There’s a window of opportunity for BeOS R6 or whatever they want to call it…don’t BeInc understand that ?? Just make a press relase stating that they’re releasing a beta of R6 but for a fee, I’m sure that’ll spur things along.

    HarjTT

    PS

    Deej, any chance of putting up some pics of the Evilla at teh TECHXNY show for us ??

  10. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Couldn’t have said it better myslef.

  11. altp Says:

    Be inc.

    Question. Does anyone from BE inc actually go around and read the news sites?

    If one of you that i regularly see posting on the boards is from Be, i appologize … I don’t know Be inc employee’s names/alias’s. :-/

    I agree with you ya, in hoping BEos doesn’t die ..
    I still feel that, potentially, it has more to offer than Linux, Mac or Windows … So much has happened in the last year though, and other OS’s see updates so frequently now that BEos seems to be left way behind.

    Right now though, from where i stand, Be looks completely dead. On this months net tracker reports(from my employeers web site) not one client in our logs was from a Beos machine … this is the first month i have seen that since i started woking here … we’ve always had at least one in the past. (I make it a point to look for ‘fringe’ os’s in the logs to influence our site designers).

    :`(

    Altp.

  12. Anonymous Says:

    I am sorry, but it is too late no matter what happens…

    No matter what comes out of Menlo Park these days wont make a difference anyways.

    The Be Inc or BeOS or anything Be related whatsoever is so badly tainted by rumours, media, and the community it isn’t even funny.

    Be could make BeOS 10 years better than XP or OS X but it wont matter, no one is going to touch it based on the reputation and the mass evacuation that is ongoing.

    BeOS is really the only alternative to make some changes in the otherwise archaic computerworld, but it is never going to happen.

    Ah. Back to “enjoying” Mandrake

  13. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I now have a G4 standing beside my dual celeron, things don’t look good and Be so far has a history of letting people down. yes I’m bitter, but then again, can you show me anything that points to continued BeOS development? OS X lacks severely in some areas compared to BeOS, but then I atleast get new software and that OS has a future…

    thies

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 06/28/2001 07:49:49 AM

    Re: Be inc.

    Sure, there’s lots of regualr Be, Inc. employees here. JBQ, for one. KennyC, for another. It’s just that they’re not allowed to say much.

    –bwebpages2

  15. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 06/28/2001 07:49:49 AM

    Re: Be inc.

    > On this months net tracker reports(from my
    > employeers web site) not one client in our logs
    > was from a Beos machine … this is the first
    > month i have seen that since i started woking
    > here … we’ve always had at least one in the
    > past.

    At my (BeOS related page) it isn’t that bad at all:

    1 2949 11.86% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
    2 2546 10.24% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
    3 2006 8.07% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
    4 1785 7.18% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
    5 1390 5.59% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90)
    6 627 2.52% Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; NetPositive/2.2)
    7 563 2.27% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; DT)
    8 485 1.95% Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; NetPositive/2.2.1; BeOS)
    9 465 1.87% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)
    10 440 1.77% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows 98)
    11 392 1.58% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90; D
    12 362 1.46% Mozilla/4.76 (Windows NT 5.0; U) Opera 5.0 [en]
    13 330 1.33% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.0)
    14 303 1.22% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90)
    15 264 1.06% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC)

    (That’s the report for June so far).

    You see: Even more NetPositive than Netscape!!! :-)

    Bye,
    Werner

  16. chrish Says:

    Doesn’t matter

    Be, Inc. doesn’t care, save your breath. We failed them, they failed us, move on…

    - chrish

  17. arougthopher Says:

    Investment group …

    Now, I’m not sure exactly how this would be set up, or even the legalities of this, but here is another idea. We have a tip jar, people are donating money. We have a driver fund, that has collected over a $1000. What about a BeOS investment community. Lets say for $100 to join, then $20 a month there after. $20 a month is not that much, but, if there are still at least 1000 community members left :) , that’s $20,000 a month in BeOS stock that could be purchased. At first, hopefully the $100 initial fee would gather enough money for the initial investment, so that Be’s stock price could get over the $1 hump, and remain on the exchange. Then, every month after that, additinal shares would be purchased. Sooner or later, as a group, the community would have enough shares in Be, the we would have a REAL voice, instead of the desperate pleadings on the news pages.

    Well, this is just an idea, and I for one do not have the time to implement something like this. I do know, that if someone were to take the time to set this up, I would be in for $100 a month, myself. (it’s pocket change)

    -paul

  18. rhofmans Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 06/28/2001 09:32:43 AM

    Re: Doesn’t matter

    I still enjoy the BeOS every day. Why should I ‘move on’?

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To arougthopher @ 06/28/2001 09:58:36 AM

    Re: Investment group …

    you actually think paying dues to the company is going to bring more users in so that you dont keep emptying your pockets?? lol

  20. Anonymous Says:

    FINALLY!!

    WOW SOMEBODY WOKE UP!!

    LOL Took you guys long enough to figure out that Be is a goner!

  21. Anonymous Says:

    ?!

    oh yeah, this should get the lemmings started.

    rain

  22. rppp01 Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 06/28/2001 09:32:43 AM

    Re: Doesn’t matter

    How did we fail them? We bought there software. Many actively tried to get others to try/buy there software. What more could we do? We bought, used, and evengalized for them. That is one or two less that what many windows users do. And one or two more than what linux people do.

    That’s bs. We failed them. Excuse us for not donating our entire paychecks to Be Inc. But we have other priorities to take care of. Nah, Be Inc failed in the market place, only because they never thought they could seriously succeed. Think about that. At every turn they have tried to not succeed. First with the BeBox. Then by not lower the cost of selling out to Apple (did JLG really want to do that? If he did, he would have sold for less than he tried). Then by dropping G3 support– it doesn’t take a genius to see that linux was reverse engineering the G3 (and had already done so) when JLG whimpered that Apple was big and mean. Then by selling out to the Intel crowd, jumping on what will be the next sell out– the IA crowd (all 5 of them!).

  23. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 07:51:16 AM

    it’s never too late

    if be managed to even come close to catching up to where other OS’s are at in terms of hardware support and certain key applications, i think we’d see a lot more people trying it out. i know a lot of linux and BSD fans who’d be willing to give it a go if beos supported some key piece of hardware or had a better web browser.

    as far as the way the community looks to the outside, the outside doesn’t even know were here quarreling as we do. hell, there are plenty of geeks out there (i’ve met some) that didn’t even realize that Be had shifted their focus to the IA market. all they know is that be makes a great OS that needs support before they can use it.

  24. filo Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 06/28/2001 09:32:43 AM

    Re: Doesn’t matter

    umm, you tell us to move on, why are you still here?

    if you don’t have anything nice to say…

  25. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 10:41:13 AM

    Re: Investment group …

    you obviously don’t understand what he’s saying. after enough stock is bought, we, the beos users, would have a large share in the company. as a group, we could then start demanding certain things from the company, like a new beos release/continued beos development. in several interviews in the past several months, JLG has said he would do what ever would make his stockholders happy. well, what do you think he would do if we, the beos users were his stockholders?

    i think this is a great idea, and in fact posted the same idea, more or less, over at newbe.org a month or so ago.

  26. Deej Says:

    Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    I just wanted to say, this wasn’t supposed to be a “deathblow” to the communtiy. It’s dying well enough on it’s own. I only want something out of Be that might keep a few others around here as long as I will be… it would get lonely fast otherwise. :P

    The community is starving, and dropping like flies.

  27. Deej Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 04:15:20 AM

    Re: Whats going on ???

    Sorry, that’s Nutcase’s ballgame. He’ll post them when he gets back around. :)

  28. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 12:40:27 AM

    Re: it has been tried a year ago

    actually, i think that has more to do with the fact that be has no roadmap to release. we don’t know much about what’s going on inside be inc. but we know they’re hard up for money. they are, as far as anyone knows, as desparate as the rest of us.

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 10:42:44 AM

    Re: FINALLY!!

    FUCKING QNX TROLL!!!

  30. Zaranthos Says:

    Hey!

    You forgot http://www.befaqs.com They post news!

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 06/28/2001 3:02:14 PM

    Re: Hey!

    Do NOT!!! worry….
    io KNOW that beos will survive, i actually happend to know more than most people at be inc.
    (and i am not kidding)
    Just wait a few more weeks and we will all know.

    “the future of BeOS is yellow”
    i wish i could say more, but i cant, but dont worry,
    mariux

  32. Anonymous Says:

    RE: The News Sites

    Most of these sites are brainless optimists.

    Everything the ‘jerk pessimists’ like me said in January of 2000 has come true!!

    No market for IA devices. Absolutely no hope there. If 3Com, Gateway, and AOL can’t do it, can we really expect Sony, with all its might, to create a market singelhandedly?

    Only Palm did that, if you think about it, and eVilla ain’t no palm.

    Nutcase, I’m surprised you’re still hanging around. At what point do hits get so low (like in 3 or 4 months, when there’s still NO NEWS FROM MENLO PARK,) that the advertisers drop you?

    Can you give us an idea of when you’ll call it quits?

    I think BeNews is full of optmistic fanatics who’s favorite line is, “Yeah, bad news today, but when BeOS R6 Whizbang 9000 is released Real Soon Now, you’ll see you stupid Windows Troll! Long Live Gassy! Gassy is da man!”

    I’ve never seen something so poorly managed as Be Inc. since the IPO, and I hold Gassy responsible.

    So when are you going to quit?

  33. nodaclu Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 06/28/2001 1:10:16 PM

    Re: Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    Deej,

    We over at BOSC will be around for a while. I can’t promise we’ll be the last site standing, as too many other factors play into it, but we’ll be around for a while yet. :-)

    Maverick posted a passionate plea for optimism today, and has been completely slammed for it. I wrote a response that should let folks know where I stand on the issue.

    Bottom line: if we end up being the only site left standing, come on over. I’m sure you would be welcomed with open arms into our (smaller) community.

    Mike Long
    BOSC Editor

  34. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 1:23:40 PM

    Re: it has been tried a year ago

    for one is was talking about the situation as it was a yerar ago with R5 being released just a few months ago, granted they might not have had a roadmap to speak off, at that time OpenGL and BONE were already in development and it would have been possible to give atleast a limited update on ho those projects were doing, or atleast release some information, but it didn’t happen. My point was that it has been tried before to get atleast some information out of Be, but they never responded at all.

    thies

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 06/28/2001 11:42:22 AM

    Re: Doesn’t matter

    When Chris says “we” failed Be, he’s talking about “we developers” (not to put words in his mouth).

    Chris himself didn’t fail Be - he went way above and beyond the call of duty. But software developers in general just never got their act together and delivered. Be is at least as responsible for the failure as third-party developers, but he has a point that “we”, as developers, failed to deliver.

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To nodaclu @ 06/28/2001 3:31:04 PM

    Re: Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    I surely don’t want to bash you guys, keeping a newssite going is quite an effort, but couldn’t you please get rid of that winter theme? on first sight it looks as if the site is dead as even that doesn’t get changed

    thies

  37. chrish Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 4:11:36 PM

    Re: Doesn’t matter

    We developers and we users… I still feel the “community” did/does a poor job of supporting the developers.

    And it’s not like I’m pointing fingers, I’m just as guilty as everyone else. *shrug*

    - chrish

  38. chrish Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 11:49:46 AM

    Re: Doesn’t matter

    Because I’m glutton for punishment? I’ve been here so long, I can’t find the exit…

    - chrish

  39. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 4:12:32 PM

    Re: Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    If they leave it around long enough, they won’t have to change it when next winter arrives … and don’t forget, there are a large number of southern-hemisphere BeOS users …

  40. Anonymous Says:

    How many left?

    How many people reading/posting here still us BeOS on a daily basis? I for one use it as my only OS on my computer… It just seems no one left in the community even run the OS anymore

  41. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 5:37:59 PM

    Re: How many left?

    i use beos exclusively at home. it’s hard to judge who hangs out here when there are so many anonymous posts. (hint, hint)

  42. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 12:33:47 AM

    Re: Deej is right

    it’s possible to be honest without being damaging.

  43. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 5:47:17 PM

    Re: How many left?

    sorry, im new at begroovy, im eternal from BeNews
    my name is Allan, I think I’ll go make a new account now.. heh

  44. Anonymous Says:

    it’s over

    I really enjoyed working with BeOS over the last 2 years, even developed apps on BeBits for it. However, as much as I pushed it off, BeOS is dead in the hands of Be Inc. I can’t imagine they will release anything (OpenGL/BONE/etc) until they find a new owner, if that ever happens.

    I can’t think of one semi-major software house that’s actively developing for Be. I’ve stopped as well as other BeBits developers, and the list of previously major BeOS only shops are closing up or moving to Windows/Linux/Mac.

    I would hope that I’m wrong, but you have to come to reality at some point. The Be web site doesn’t seem to be updated at all anymore (last press release April 19th), and its lack of communication with anyone outside of its little circle seems appalling.

    Jeff Braun (yobkadon@hotmail.com)

  45. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 12:03:08 AM

    Re: hey dickhead

    to laugh at you

  46. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 2:42:07 PM

    Re: FINALLY!!

    sorry buddy, qnx sux

  47. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 2:42:07 PM

    probably bill gates in drag

    who in hell pays you to post this shit.M$?

  48. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 5:50:45 PM

    Re: it’s over

    So I guess this is a bad time to just be getting into development for BeOS? ;-)
    http://www.stuffyougottahave.com/

  49. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 06/28/2001 09:32:43 AM

    huh…?!

    I don’t quite understand how we failed Be. For myself, a mere mortal earning less than a stellar salary, I did all I can. I bought (and paid full price for) BeOS 4.5 and 5, and Gobe’s Productive. I evangelized about the OS. I showed it to my friends and family. Naturally, I couldn’t *force* them to use it. What more could the average person do? Even if I had the spare money to purchase several copies of the Professional Version of Be 5, I doubt it would make a huge difference. The fault lay not with Be enthusiasts, but with Be’s lack of corporate direction. They have the BEST OS out there, and the one that, in my opinion, the average person would feel most comfortable using as an alternative to Windows. They fumbled the ball, big time. But, they can still recover. Some hope lay with sony’s e-zilla, as well, but I’m starting to wonder if they’re (Sony)even going to advertise the thing.

  50. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 5:48:52 PM

    Re: Deej is right

    While thats usually true, I dont think its possible in this case.

  51. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To nodaclu @ 06/28/2001 3:31:04 PM

    Re: Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    Hey! No recruiting BeGroovy staff to leave on the BeGroovy boards!!! :P

    Seriously, we arent going anywhere. Not unless our server does. :-/

  52. Anonymous Says:

    Unprofessional

    Meta:

    I have to say, I find the recent tone of begroovy off-putting and unprofessional. Begging? On a lead story? Give me a break. I think this seeds pessimism, when gratuitous pessimism is not what the community needs.

    How can you “get your groove on” when someone is standing in the room pissing and moaning loudly about how aw, shit, this BEer sucks, and nothing’s
    great and everyone’s gonna die someday and world war III is coming, and we’re going to get taken out next year by killer bacteria anyway.

    BeGroovy, you’re being a a huge drag, even though your facts are accurate. I’m not asking you to lie to me, or only report positive new, but your attitude sucks and it’s no fun to read here.

    – Stephen van Egmond
    svanegmond@home.com

  53. DLazlo Says:

    User involvement!

    I see lots of bitching ,kidding, and what-ifs around on the vaious forums. I don’t say this is bad, I do it myself. What would be nice is to get some serious feedback/input from folks. I’d faint at my desk if I ever got more than a couple dozen people email me at i-BUG with a real idea, some needed info, or news of something they’ve done to help promote BeOS or keep it usable for all of us. Sadly, all I get comes from a few outstanding people. If nobody is willing to even take a couple of minutes for that, How serious are they about wanting to keep and support BeOS?

    Who’s shown BeOS to a class, or computer club? Who’s done a demo? How about give a FreeBeOS CD to your local school district’s Tech Director, or to your local library for the director to look at. Got a Boys or Girls Club in town? Give them a BeOS CD! Ever think about giving one as a present? Birthday, X-mas, new computer owner, or for the hell of it!

    To those who really support us all thru software development, THANK YOU, from the bottem of my heart! To those that I hear from and I know go the extra mile because you feel it’s worth it, THANK YOU too! You know who you are.
    To those who sit on their duff, stareing at the moniter and ‘fingering’ your keys, I really am not interested in “fucking” hearing you whine anymore.

    I use BeOS because I like it. It does what I want, or has the potential to. I dabble in other OS’s, but I try to support BeOS where I can because I’d like to continue using it. It’s simply a matter of preference.

    Cale Lewis
    wwww.i-bug.org
    [Edited at 20:39 Jun 28 2001 by DLazlo]

  54. DLazlo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 3:29:23 PM

    Re: RE: The News Sites

    I think it’s more like LP

  55. DLazlo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 5:50:45 PM

    Re: it’s over

    I think the # that have moved to AtheOS gives an idea of how many really did not want to leave, but saw little future with Be Inc.’s present course.

  56. DLazlo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 10:42:44 AM

    PURPOSELY IGNORED THREAD!

    xx
    [Edited at 20:51 Jun 28 2001 by DLazlo]

  57. Deej Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 8:17:06 PM

    Re: Unprofessional

    Sorry to have offended you SVE. What was intended was to bring to light that people/companies/webmasters/developers are bailing when some of us are working hard to keep the community, and we cannot do it alone, no matter how hard we try, we just can’t do it ourselves. We can’t convince those leaving to hold out, only Be can.

  58. LeftTurn Says:

    Call me silly…

    …but I’m still around. Until somebody puts out something at least as stable, reliable, and easy to use as BeOS, it’ll be my primary OS for a long time.

    There’s still alot of promise out there, and if BeOS does officially become declared “dead”, then I may consider something else. Being as how we’re not there yet, I’m not going to stress over it too much.

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 6:44:27 PM

    Re: probably bill gates in drag

    lol, plz, ive got better stuff to waste my time on, if ms cared about be, then they woulda bought em out a long time ago

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 11:54:13 AM

    Re: Investment group …

    Be has a market cap. of $17 million dollars. Have you thought about how long it will take to get a large stake in the company?

  61. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 02:21:47 AM

    Re: hey dickhead

    er, you have bad grammar too, ill smile, cause i know that you be idiots are goin down the tubes :-)

  62. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 11:46:46 AM

    Re: it’s never too late

    its too late, i hate be

    be has givin itself a bad reputation now, people who have tried it know that almost every useful app is “almost ready” and has been for a year, people who havent tried it have heard that it looks cool, but thats all.

    It will never supply me for my needs, beos sucks and is worthless as far as anybody but you idiots who dont understand what youre missing by using beos

  63. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To DLazlo @ 06/28/2001 8:32:54 PM

    Re: User involvement!

    We used to in the past, but is it fair to do so now?

    Adrian (forgotten my login it’s been so long).

  64. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 12:26:18 AM

    Re: it’s never too late

    lol

  65. nodaclu Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 06/28/2001 7:14:51 PM

    Re: Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    Oops…sorry. I’m a recruiter for a living. It comes naturally.

    In all seriousness, the reason that the winter theme is still up is because Mav can’t get to the back end. We can post news, but can’t do anything about the look and feel of the site for the time being. When Etienne gave up the site, he never gave the back-end info to anyone. I believe that little problem also has something to do with why we can’t get the site up more quickly when it goes down.

    Anyway, we had a spirited debate over there today on a very similar topic. As always, I lost my temper and said a few things I shouldn’t have.

    But it’s all out of love man!!!! ;-)

    Mike Long
    Avid BeOS Enthusiast

  66. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 5:52:25 PM

    Re: hey dickhead

    you belong to a worst kind of people keep smiling

  67. thebard Says:

    Talk is cheap

    What about some concerted action? arougthoper[sp?] is prepared to put his money where his mouth is & the response is nitpicks & pessimism. There was a post at thegreenboard[think it was greenboard] about buying shares in Be, raise capital for Be, maybe lose the money, maybe not. So many platitudes here about great love for an excellent O/S but undercurrent of rats deserting a sinking ship. This attitude will sink the ship.
    Shares or tipjar, I don’t care which, I doubt there will another O/S to equal BeOS in my lifetime & I’ll put my money where my mouth is too. Get a flag up,have another look at arougthoper’s post, it could be done, we’re not dead until we give up

  68. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 4:12:32 PM

    Re: Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    I LIKE THE WINTER THEME

  69. Deej Says:

    In Response To thebard @ 06/29/2001 03:20:06 AM

    Re: Talk is cheap

    Effort to get drivers going for BeOS = less than 25 donators. One guy donated $1 - I commend him, as he probably couldn’t have afforded that, but still gave. If everyone gave that, we’d have more than enough to start several driver projects.

    The money is where the mouth is, until you actually give them a way to put it up… then many disappear into the woodwork.

  70. Anonymous Says:

    The sound of a thousand attorneys

    Knocking on JLG’s door!

    The appeals court has affirmed that MSFT is a monopoly and has illegally maintained that monopoly.

    Has the value of BeOS gone up? You bet…. and on several levels.

    MSFT is sitting on 30 billion dollars gained through an illegally maintained monopoly. These facts will not be lost on the legal profession.

    And since MSFT is being kept as one company it is even easier to litigate against them (vs two defendents).

    Next, the value of BeOS to SONY has risen since SONY could acquire Be and thereby use that legal threat to better manuver/negotiate with MSFT.

    This is favorable news for BeOS and brightens the future.

  71. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 06/28/2001 12:28:46 AM

    Re: Investment group …

    From what I understand more than 50% of the stock is owned internally by Be Inc. employees. If that’s the case you’d never have a voice, no matter how much available stock you bought.

  72. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 3:21:25 PM

    Re: Hey!

    Oh look, has H-kon taken another name?
    That’s what he’s been saying for a couple of months now.

    If you know stuff and can’t talk about it keep yer f’ing mouth shut. Otherwise, spill it now or I’ll come over there and break stuff off of you!

  73. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 8:17:06 PM

    Re: Unprofessional

    SVE, I just dropped TuneTracker in favor of BIYS. Nobody was listening to my radio station but me anyways so I figured I should take it in a direction where I could control what I hear and when I hear it remotely.

    Thanks for such a kick-ass program, now if only you could password protect the pages so nobody but me could get in to change the music.

    What’s the address for your mailing list again?
    e-mail me at david@tmcmktg.com to let me know please.

  74. chrish Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 7:01:12 PM

    Re: huh…?!

    We collectively, not you personally.

    Come on people, it’s not like I was naming names or something here.

    Be failed us by not maturing the OS “fast enough” and by not spurring development of “necessary” software early enough. They did give it a go (BeOS did evolve after all, and they had a strong relationship with BeatWare in the early days… BeatWare’s software was to grow into the MS Office of BeOS), but they failed.

    We developers failed Be by not creating software that was “good enough” or unique enough to attract users and developers from other platforms.

    We users failed Be by not creating a market for BeOS software.

    This is all largely beside the point now; pointing fingers isn’t going to change anything.

    Personally, I feel a little better admitting defeat than sucking up on angst. Once you’re done with the angst, you can grieve and get on with things.

    - chrish

  75. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To DLazlo @ 06/28/2001 8:32:54 PM

    Re: User involvement!

    Yup Cale you’re absolutly right, opps i already did those things and got a lot of angry and ennoyin responses.
    Equally the positive responses to thos actions you mentioned are only 15 - 25% of the amount i did.
    Most pple say we have Ms and it serves me fine, well if they want to were blindfolds they should be punished for that, so they keep on using Ms, and THAT is punishment indeed.

    Grts
    Ted.
    THE BeOS ‘only’ oem dealer that does not give up.

  76. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 09:31:05 AM

    Re: Unprofessional

    …not use VNC?

  77. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 11:23:03 AM

    Re: Unprofessional

    There is no VNC *Server* for BeOS.

  78. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 12:19:37 AM

    Re: hey dickhead

    I see grade school has let out for the summer.

    Ansis5

  79. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 09:18:04 AM

    Re: Investment group …

    JLG owns only 11% of Be Inc. The rest of the senior Be executives own COLLECTIVELY 3% of Be stock.

    So insiders only owns 13.96% of Be Inc.

    http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/quotes_reports.asp?symbol=BEOS`&selected=BEOS

  80. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 03:58:15 AM

    Re: Don’t take it as I’m leaving…

    Me too. It helps me forget the heat. ;)

    Ansis5

  81. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 09:23:51 AM

    Re: Hey!

    At least H-kon had the courage to own his words and admit his mistake. I can respect that. It’s more than I can say for certain anonymous posters who continue to criticize him.

    Chuck/Ansis5
    (who can’t remember his d**n password today)

  82. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 5:50:35 PM

    Re: How many left?

    Hey, I’m still here. I’ve not booted windows in… hmm… well I can’t remember. I guess it is good to know that a “dead” OS still boots!! :-)

    But remember… the sky is falling… haha

  83. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 3:29:23 PM

    Re: RE: The News Sites

    When something better comes along. I’m not holding my breath. I’d rather use an “undead” OS that works well for certain things than the expensive, miserable yet supported alternatives….

    BTW, it wouldn’t hurt if you’d sign your post.

    Chuck/Ansis5

  84. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 12:26:18 AM

    Re: it’s never too late

    Why are you here? Somebody needs to put you to some real work and get you out of our hair.

    Ansis5

  85. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 5:37:59 PM

    Re: How many left?

    I don’t use it daily. Maybe two/three times a week. I use it when I have writing to do, or just want to listen to some music and let the screen saver (Swarm/MeltdownBlur/MatrixCode = way cool!) do it’s thing. Once Bezilla is refined or if Opera is updated that may change.

    Chuck/Ansis5

  86. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 5:37:59 PM

    Re: How many left?

    I for one still use BeOS as my primary OS. I’ll continue running BeOS even if I’m the last one on Earth.

  87. DLazlo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 10:37:49 AM

    Re: User involvement!

    “Ted.
    THE BeOS ‘only’ oem dealer that does not give up.”

    Keep the faith, Baby!!!
    If you like it and want to use it, do something about it!
    If you just want to whine and bitch, you ain’t serious!

    Thanks Ted, for all your hard work.
    Cale

  88. DLazlo Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 06/29/2001 04:26:27 AM

    Re: Talk is cheap

    My money is coming right after the 4th. I’d be happy to be listed somewhere as a contributor. Actually, I’d be proud! (Idea maybe? Put your money where your mouth is for all to see)

    So far, I’ve sunk a lot of time into BeLib and i-BUG(thanks Deej). Not just the sites, but the ideas I’ve put forth in them. Time I have less of than money. But I made the investment.
    I work full time, take Com. College classes, and homeschool myself with eveything I get my hands on.
    I do that because I don’t yet have the skills to create the software I want. But, if I can help to create a market for this type of software, other people can. This helps to keep an enjoyable OS alive for me to use now and develop for later.

  89. georges Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/29/2001 07:33:56 AM

    Re: The sound of a thousand attorneys

    While that seems like a goo idea, I don’t see Be Inc being able to last through a lawsuit that could last several years.

  90. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To DLazlo @ 06/28/2001 8:48:56 PM

    Re: it’s over

    I would agree. I felt sad/angry/depressed for about a month when the realization finally hit me that BeOS is going nowhere. All the time I spent learning and enjoying the BeOS API was a waste. That year and a half could have been spent on learning something useful (read marketable) like Java/XML/HTML/ASP/etc.

    I’d hang on longer if Be showed any sign of life, but I think everyone should cut their losses.

    It was great while the ride lasted, but now it’s time to get off.

    Jeff Braun (yobkadon@hotmail.com)

  91. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Galley_SimRacer @ 06/28/2001 6:53:14 PM

    Re: it’s over

    Depends on your perspective. I still give kudos to the BeOS API, as it’s very easy to code for. There are some funny things you have to do sometimes to get things to work. While it may not be as sleek as Java in some respects, I still enjoyed it.

    If I wanted to just learn some coding, it’s a great way to get oriented into OOP. But beware of the dearth of top-notch debugging tools.

    Jeff Braun (yobkadon@hotmail.com)

  92. Anonymous Says:

    death of community

    You wont get a response from JLG that actually says anything new… wanna know why? Well, the ex-exxon man cares less about BeOS and more about his own personal fortune, or moreover PERCIEVED fortune, in the long term… an unpassionate man who wants primarily now, to keep enthusiasts round cause they might possibly add something to the value of his failed company.

    Lets face it… its all very well to jump about and be responsive when times are good, but when it comes to the crunch, he is an executive, and an executive who needs some kind of credential when he goes unemployed after Be finally goes under… it kills him to see Be die, but more because of how he is no longer percieved to be the genius he once was.

    Once an Exxon man, always an Exxon man. He’s a business man more than a tech man, and from a business sense, it makes more sense to tell us nothing. Personally, I’m saying “fuck you, JLG”. One can only imagine a world with a Gassee rather than a Gates world -personally, i think Gates might as well hold the power cause there wouldnt be much difference between a rule of Gassee, or Gassee-hero Gates.

  93. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/28/2001 07:51:16 AM

    Re: I am sorry, but it is too late no matter what happens…

    I agree with you about the soiled reputation.
    “we will never defecate on our developers”…
    I think the recent year long dump fest has pretty much ensured that a release of any new flavor of BeOS will not attract serious developers.

    At this time, I think that the best option is for another company to buy Be at its current rockbottom price. They don’t have to buy the entire thing, just the BeOS portion and they can then license anything regarding BeIA *development platform* issues. but a third party, with another name and reputation would be required. Preferrably a small company with the edgy revolutionary feel, and some semblance of marketing capability. A company that can get back in touch with the best community any OS can ask for. A company that understands life would mean being small, with a dedicated niche market. A company that realizes that success doesn’t rely on one giant sale to a corporate gorilla like Apple or Sony.

    hmm..maybe fi enough of us here could pool our work into a startup…look at VC options..

    If BeOS refuses to sell - will then /extreme enthusiast mode/ reverse engineer and see if a broke company can sue!! /back to normalcy/

  94. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/28/2001 11:54:13 AM

    Re: Investment group …

    oh yeah, JLG does what makes the stockholders happy. riiigghhht.

    Have you looked at the stock performance since JLG has *focus shifted*? insert sound of bomb falling here. I don’t think the stockholders said “hey lets dive headfirst into a shallow, non existing market while burning all bridges and ensuring our investment goes sour”.

    I got another view. JLG is a egoist that could care less what stockholders say and obviously has. He has spent too much time posing as a rebel, throwing out one liners about his nipples and looking for ways to get back at Apple to satisfy his own revenge.
    He either hasn’t spent the time or hasn’t the talent for accurately guaging markets or leading a business. He only had the fortunate timing to play the head of a group of SUPER talented engineers. Most of whom have left the company.
    In my opinion, he is more then a fruad; his only redemption would be to release BeOS to someone that really cares for it.

    sorry for venting, but I am still pissed - which I think is stage three of the grieving process.

    -Henchman (forgot his begroovy logon password)

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