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Just a quick note from PC Expo

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Posted by:Ryan on Tuesday, 26 Jun, 2001 @ 12:32 AM
 
Be Inc

Hey there all. So there I was, wandering through TechXNY (formerly PC Expo) and I stumbled across a display of Sony e-Villa’s. They are actually pretty prominently placed in their booth, and they are MUCH nicer than I expected them to be. The display is large and crisp (save some severe distortion from about 35 wireless networks around here… imagine what a hall full of 36000 technogeeks w/ cellphones does to a monitor and you have it) — Anyway, if this is an indication of what BeIA has to offer, Be has nothing to worry about. I will be bringing a camera tommorrow to try and snap a few pics for you. In the mean time, I seriously suggest you head to a local store and try one of these out. It may change your mind about Be’s decisions. :D



43 Responses to “Just a quick note from PC Expo”

  1. cedricd Says:

    wait… :P

    wait wait wait.. just like there’s the “good cop/bad cop” scheme, Nutcase was supposed to be sad and Deej optimistic, whereas for the last few days it might seem to be the contrary, I’m puzzled :P Riight, I’m just pulling your collective legs; what I really meant to say:

    Way to go Be/Sony!!

    Let’s do some more trolls crushing… they like it.

  2. rppp01 Says:

    No

    No, I still think Be should have continued in the OS market. I won’t spend $500 for an IA. And I don’t think most will either- especially when it doesn’t run Word, or Quicken, or Quake III or those other things. People want a computer to do things with. Not to just surf the web, look at pr0n, email, listen to RealPlayer, and, well, surf the web, look at pr0n, email, - you get the point.

  3. DaaT Says:

    [No Subject]

    /me listens to Alanis “isn’t it ironic”…

  4. altp Says:

    bah

    I have to agree …

    IA’s are a cool idea that the world jsut isn’t ready for yet. No matter how cool it may be, it has very little market value for the home. Its still a living room geek toy.

    Slightly modified with an outstanding web browser it would work splendedly in Libraries and other high-traffic public access places that use only the internet … but it would need to run MSIE 5.0 , saddly a couple pluggins that are needed for library use (networked CD’s for instance) require msie. there are third party pluggins, but they aren’t reliable enough for heavy usage. Unless you start using citrix … then you get into an expensive liscening thing … which, if you can afford that you might as well get a whole computer.

    Altp.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 06/26/2001 12:48:40 AM

    Re: wait… :P

    long as im invited :)

    so tell me why now, you have invested so much wasted time on a company that has abandoned you for an IA thats made for lille ol gamma to use??

  6. filo Says:

    In Response To altp @ 06/26/2001 3:22:14 PM

    Re: bah

    i, actually, work in a university library, and the thought had occured to me before of the possible use of ia’s in a library. i wonder if i could convince our it people that 5 evilla’s would be good to replace some of the aging computers here in the library which are only here for purposes of net surfing. what plugins are there for ie5.x that seem so important to library web research?

  7. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 3:26:49 PM

    Re: wait… :P

    we’re not abandoned, yet.
    it’s still going to be a little while before we have anything significant from Be for BeOS, but the OS as it exist right now is great for me at home, and with a little bit more, would be great for my job, as well (is there anything available for BeOS that will write pdf files?)

    as an aside. i stuck a second hard drive in my machine on sunday night and tried to install win2k. my nic, sound card, and modem are all incompatible with win2k but work fine with BeOS. that seem’s ironic somehow.

  8. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/26/2001 3:35:56 PM

    Re: wait… :P

    That and Win2k requires as much RAM as BeOS requires disk space. We use 2k at school, and DAMN if that’s not the software equivalent of Jabba the Hut. Poor hard drives…. Haven’t seen that much LED blinking since I had Win95 running on a 486 with 4MB RAM. X_x

    -SirNickity

  9. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/26/2001 3:29:46 PM

    Re: bah

    uhh.. JavaScript… Flash… some of those annoying useless things that web designers INSIST on including to make a site even functional. Bah!

    *sticks to plain HTML*
    -SirNickity

  10. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 4:03:06 PM

    Re: bah

    Uh, both javascript and flash are supported by evilla.

    as listed by the evilla.com site:

    Web Browser:
    Opera 4.0 (HTTP 1.0/1.1, HTML 4.0, CSS 1 & 2, JavaScript 1.3, FTP, Transfer Layer Security (TLS))

    Browser Plug-ins:
    RealPlayerŽ for BelAŽ, MacromediaŽ Flash 4.0, and Personal JavaŽ 3.0.1 for BelA

  11. Deej Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 06/26/2001 12:48:40 AM

    Re: wait… :P

    Hehe, So now I’m a good cop gone bad? :P

    I’m not so down on the Be scene these days, mostly my “down attitude” has more to do with life… I’m on one last ditch effort to save my house, instead of waiting around for the job market to pick up, I’m gonna get out there and “consult” myself in PC Tech and hope to make enough to hold out until the market does pick up. Cross fingers and pray for me…

  12. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 06/26/2001 4:09:45 PM

    Re: wait… :P

    eh, for once I had something slightly remotely amusing to say, woudln’t have missed the opportunity pour rien au monde!..

    But at any rate: do focus on what’s important in life.. family for one. Can’t be said often enough. (says the guy with a silly Windos/Nix day job who never tried to use BeOS for _a living_ rather than a hobby and admires people who do/did)

  13. georges Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 06/26/2001 2:03:56 PM

    Re: No

    there’s more you can do with a computer than look at porn???

  14. georges Says:

    In Response To altp @ 06/26/2001 3:22:14 PM

    Re: bah

    Why does there need to be a special plugin for a remote CD?
    Set up Apache and go.

    BUT, what we are forgetting is that the EVilla only works with the Modem connection. Not the Ethernet connection. At least, not yet.

  15. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/26/2001 3:35:56 PM

    PDF for BeOS

    Dude, Gobe Productive 3.0 will be able to create .pdf’s!

  16. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To georges @ 06/26/2001 4:47:09 PM

    BeIA can’t even do that!

    And when you are looking at pr0n, it’s helpful if you can do AVI, ASF, QT, and some popular ActiveX video formats. That leaves out BeIA for even surfing pr0n!!!

  17. Anonymous Says:

    Goody Goody

    Does this mean that if we’re all good little zealots and buy enough e-Villas Be will devote more time to BeOS??
    Wake the hell up!

    PS. This is anonymous because, I’ve tried to log in several times, and the system won’t accept my login.

  18. DLazlo Says:

    [No Subject]

    Nutcase,
    aren’t you a ways from home? I’m jealous damnit! I want to see it all.

    Eagerly awaiting pics,
    DLazlo

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/26/2001 3:35:56 PM

    Re: wait… :P

    Ya, in ghostscript there is a little program call pdfwrite(I guess), you have to export the document to postscript first(just setup a postscript printer in BeOS and then set output to file). I am not very sure that the trick will work all right, the last time I use this with a Gobe Productive document, BeOS produce a postscript file that cant be converted in the BeOS version of ghostscript, windows version barely convert it but leave a warning. Dont know it is BeOS bug or Gobe Productive’s. Anyway, that is how I create pdf file(atleast in windows).

  20. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 4:59:48 PM

    Re: BeIA can’t even do that!

    BeOS can do pr0n (er, I mean, DivX … yeah, that’s the ticket) just fine, as evidenced by BeShare. Since BeIA supports all the video formats of BeOS, and then some (at least in theory), one must assume that the capability is present.

    Granted, ASF/Sorenson 4 are a bit of a problem, for the moment. But, if you believe the SEC filings, that might not be the case in the future.

  21. altp Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/26/2001 3:29:46 PM

    Re: bah

    I work in a systems office for a university library as well.

    We’ve already considered IA’s in public areas, it was desided against for many reasons. We will sooner see “all in one” computers like IBM’s and gateway’s before IA in public areas.

    But upgradability is an issue. As is turn around time if something goes wrong. Right now we can have a machine fixed and back to the public/faculty in an hour of the problem being reported.

    if an all in one type unit has a problem it is a hassle to fix, and if the monitor goes the whole thing has to go back.

    To answer Georges post a while back … It was a big costly mistake that took place by people that are no longer working there that we have to continue to live with.

    Altp.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 4:03:06 PM

    Re: bah

    Actually, it’s a rather well known fact that BeIA has both Flash and JavaScript/ECMA whatever.

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 5:12:28 PM

    Re: Goody Goody

    Yeah, me too. Otherwise, I’m Elvis Presley, and I think eVilla is not too good for university libraries, expecially if the previous IT people made a mess, and then left.

    I use BeOS!

  24. Anonymous Says:

    ?

    Just out of curiosity, does any actually know what features e Villa and BeIA have? Or are most people flaming it because Be Inc isn’t pursuing the OS market.

    Here’s a good reason for Be to change the focus from the OS.

    40,000 licences * $100/licence/release = $4M/release.

    Would $4M even cover the year’s rent?

    I think Be was gambling on the burgeoning IA market which has since been poisoned by other companies. From the little I’ve read on the Be Inc site, BeIA has some nifty features that I could make use of on a personal LAN. Especially if distributed applications are developed for use with it. (A Java 2 word processor using RMI?)

    I think that BeIA may be a stroke of genius that no one has taken the time to understand. Why are the reviews so consistantly great if it sucks?

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 8:10:44 PM

    Re: ?

    “Why are the reviews so consistantly great if it sucks?”

    Because Microsoft is threatening all the players in the market (ie 3Com, Gateway, Compaq) and trying to destroy the IA market… “Drop the IA’s using non M$ products or we’ll raise your rates on Windows.”

    M$ knows it can’t compete on its own merits in the IA arena, so why not try to stall it until Be dies? (not that I think Be will die - they got through a bigger recession right when the company was founded…)

    So the people in the industry ditch IA’s to make them look bad (cuz M$ said so), but the people who actually get their hands on one think they’re great.

    It’s all a conspiracy, I tell ya…

    DJMaytag

  26. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 06/26/2001 2:03:56 PM

    Re: No

    “No, I still think Be should have continued in the OS market.”

    Be would be dead by now if they did. No one would invest in a company with 0% chance of making it against M$ (from an outsiders view anyway.)

    “I won’t spend $500 for an IA.”

    Fine. Don’t.

    “And I don’t think most will either-”

    speak for yourself. I’ve love to network a wireless webpad to my BeOS machine. Would be cool to run a VNC program in the webpad to control my PC while I sit on the back porch in the sun…

    “especially when it doesn’t run Word, or Quicken, or Quake III or those other things. People want a computer to do things with.”

    People will buy a computer to run those things. Really old people who want to send email to their grandkids will LOVE the eVilla because it’s simple, intuitive, and NOT A FRIGGIN’ COMPUTER.

    The argument that you can buy a cheap PC for the same amount is moot because the cheap PC is a crappy Celeron with 32Mb RAM. You can’t really do all that much effectively with these cheapo $500 PC’s.

    DJMaytag

  27. georges Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 8:10:44 PM

    Re: ?

    $100 for a license!?
    ARE YOU NUTS!?
    That’s 20% of eVilla’s retail cost.

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To georges @ 06/27/2001 00:00:52 AM

    Re: ?

    He was reffering to an approximate cost of BeOS, even though they have never charged that much. Does it make more sense now?? They had to move away from BeOS because they could not pay the bills with there income. They “burn” 1.5 million per month (pre-layoff). I don’t like the lack of support for BeOS either. I would LOVE to have BeOS 6. But, I am not arrogant enough to say that I know what Be should have done. Who amoung us has all the facts that Be has? None of us. So how can any of us truly say what they “should have done”. Logically speaking, we will never know if the decision made was a bad one, because we don’t and can’t know “what would have happened if…” We will only know if a good decision was made when they succeed. No one has to like the decisions that Be Inc. has made. But, either support Be/BeOS/BeIA or leave the community.

    Landar

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 11:36:51 PM

    Re: No

    A wireless webpad (the Qubit BeIA-powered kind) will cost you a thousand dollars (something like $800 for the pad and $200 for the wireless base) — that’s the price WITH a lock-in ISP contract.

    So for a non-ISP locked wireless webpad that is BeIA powered — that will set you back at least $1200 U.S.

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 8:10:44 PM

    Re: ?

    Especially if distributed applications are developed for use with it. (A Java 2 word processor using RMI?)

    Hmm. You could use X? And you really don’t want a word processor written in Java …

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 8:10:44 PM

    Re: What an IA has to offer for Office works…

    If we manage to find any IA or a Linux App which logs onto The NT Terminal Server (Cytrix Winframe f.ex.), our company would be lucky !

    Imagine : your customer doesn’t need an expensive, hard-to-deal M$ on their Workstations, just a nice stable (Be)IA which logs onto the Terminal Server (a fat one is a must then - that’s right) which lets all the known ‘Big’ Apps of a company work from an App Server (Worklow Solutions - Notes,M$ Exchange Server, Business Software Navision Financials or Great Plains, etc..).

    Brave new world…M$ just as an App Server (and MUSCLE screwed up with Fileserving functionalities & a nice Browser-Client ( & a bit more sophisticated in Network management - a bit like BeServed (seem to work nice, even as a Beta!)) natively understanding smb/nmb - what a dream…

    BTW : what’s happened to BONE ;-) ? there are a lot of bug submissions considering BONE - when does the public receive this update ?

  32. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/27/2001 06:03:33 AM

    Re: What an IA has to offer for Office works…

    [whither BONE]

    in one of the rare (these days) web-forum-based comments we get from Be, an engineer
    recently said IIRC “some people guess more correctly than others”.

    Hint: it was in reply to a post saying “I guess Be won’t do any *public* bold move until they complete
    their deal with the ‘barring LLG investment bank’ blah blah”.

    Take that as you will.. How long is it usually for a company take-over or merger to
    be completed ? I have no idea…

  33. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/27/2001 01:22:20 AM

    Re: No

    err, Qubit dropped BeIA for WinCE a while ago … :( (

  34. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/26/2001 3:35:56 PM

    Re: wait… :P

    Um, all except for the fact that Be Inc is too small now to be able to develop both the IA and the OS, they obviously dont care about the OS because they publically said, hey were doin something else with the focus shift. Plus R6 doesnt seem to be comming, they will never tell you anyway, they hate you, they wont say a thing to you. Not only that, youre losing all support from companies developing software for you. Wow, all you have left is a dfunct office suite. congrats on ur wonderfully supported os…lol

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Galley_SimRacer @ 06/26/2001 4:55:34 PM

    Re: PDF for BeOS

    Thats the other thing I love about be. Itll be out soon, oh man its gonna rock. We hear about Gimp, BONE, GL, JAVA, etc. All these things almost every other OS has, AND BE DOESNT. To give you a better idea, I DONT WANNA HEAR WHATS NOT GONNA BE RELEASED. These things have been “almost ready” for way too long. THATS why opensource rocks, at least theres chance that functions work, and almost always DO work if you are smart enough to think before you operate a program, instead of having something that wont do what you need.

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/27/2001 07:19:43 AM

    Re: No

    HAHA!

  37. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 11:07:32 PM

    Re: ?

    youre rather sure of yourself for not being microsoft.

    wince has proven itself in pdas (no, I dont like CE PDAs but alot of people do, and use them everyday) if they can do internet connected pdas in CE, there isnt much to an IA that would be 100% compat with 99% of everybodys desktop os, plus it can run more programs and things and will be better supported than be ia anyday

  38. DrB Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 06/26/2001 4:09:45 PM

    Re: wait… :P

    consulting is a tough gig. I have been doing it for 2 years and i may have to give it up. We now have a 7 day old Be user. :)

  39. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/27/2001 08:45:10 AM

    Re: PDF for BeOS

    THATS why opensource rocks

    I take it, you mean op3n (ie, GPL) rather than BSD.

    op3n source rocks 1% more of the world than Apple does, last I checked. On the desktop. That’s awfully little for a thinggy that’s basically free compared to the $100 Microsoft “offering”.

    I can see that this “paradox” infuriates OSS zealots [*]
    so much that they feel like trolling Be forums when they’re done
    in the windows ones, but I fail to see how it helps improve
    their situation. Of course if everything was logical in this universe
    there would be no little animals in the great north called “lemmings” that
    go drown en masse in the sea at times :) and no linux droids wasting their
    time (and others’) rehashing obvious mistruths.

    Of course as soon as you factor in the actual quality/usability you realise
    that you get what you pay for so it’s not all that illogical; I get to program
    for *nix in my day-job and never installed a Linux distro that would make me
    want to switch on my computer when getting back home at the
    end of the day, so I’m super-grateful that BeOS exists and makes me want to :-) .

    [*] at least the ones that want to see their community grow, as it seems
    50% are l33t and think computers should be exclusively kept for
    sup3ri0r people and all others are idiots.

  40. georges Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/27/2001 08:37:55 AM

    Re: wait… :P

    Wow, thank you for that incredibly thought provoking and well thought-out reply.

    Dumbass.

  41. Anonymous Says:

    Nutcase, did you get any pictures.

    EOM

  42. nodaclu Says:

    In Response To Deej @ 06/26/2001 4:09:45 PM

    Re: wait… :P

    Hey Deej,

    No fun I know, but have you ever thought about temping? I’m a recruiter for a staffing service here in Sacramento, and if you don’t mind working out of your element for a while, there is at least a steady paycheck out there for you while you wait for the market to bounce back.

    Just a thought. Hang in there, I dream of actually buying a house, and I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to be faced with losing it. I’d hate to hear the mortgage company call me and say…..

    “All your house are belong to us.”

    That just plain sucks.

    Mike

    [Edited at 16:34 Jun 27 2001 by nodaclu]

  43. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/26/2001 6:49:48 PM

    Re: BeIA can’t even do that!

    Is there DiVX on EVilla?

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