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OpenSource BeOS Clone project

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Posted by:Ryan on Monday, 18 Jun, 2001 @ 8:45 AM
 
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A reader pointed out this project over at Sourceforge. It is a project to modify the AtheOS code to support BeOS applications, drivers, etc… in other words, OpenSource BeOS. Its an interesting project, but I am not sure it could replace the real thing. What do you think?



102 Responses to “OpenSource BeOS Clone project”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:14:13 AM

    freeBe is not Free

    The point of this project is to create a Free BeOS. Free Software is important to some people. When you use Free Software you can’t get screwed by a Focus Shift.

    Also, you can create the App Server and Media Kit on top of any kernel with low latency and preemptive multi-threading and it will feel just like BeOS. BeOS is great, but it doesn’t have a corner on kernel features. The Atheos kernel would work. Fiasco kernel, whatever. Getting a kernel to work on different processors is the easy part. Getting everyone and their dog to write drivers is the hard part. UDI solves that and therefore it IS NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

  2. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:57:28 AM

    What?

    What?

  3. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 12:07:07 AM

    Re: What?

    Is there something unlogical ?

    Perform AtheOS to become the Server-Side of the BeOS…that’s all.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 12:04:45 AM

    Re: freeBe is not Free

    That’s a point !

    But Iwould rather wait & look what’S going to be with Be Inc.

    If they do not pound out neither any definitive further looking statements considering BeOS nor any updates within these months, it’s worth thinking bringing the Be - API on top of (any) RealTime - Microkernel (welcome to Hurd, Boyz)which is opensauced…

  5. filo Says:

    whatever became of gnbo?

    i think that’s wha tit was called. it was an attempt to create beos from scratch. basically, to reverse engineer it. the name is one of those *cute* little recursive acronyms that means gnbo’s not beos. doesn’t quite work as well as wine or gnu, huh?

  6. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 12:07:07 AM

    Re: What?

    They set us up the bomb!

  7. Anonymous Says:

    Too much to do at once

    I think the “build a clone of the entire system” approach will ensure that the project never happens. That is just too much work. Many will say that the Free Software community has more helping hands than Be, Inc. True, but they are all hacking Linux, etc. and could care less if BeOS dies. You have to get some of them involved if you want to replace BeOS with an Free Software version.

    Here is the best thing to do knowing what I know now. Take the most appropriate Free Software kernel. Is that Atheos? Maybe, but whatever kernel will give the base for the responsiveness we crave, use that one. Then convert the kernel to use the “Uniform Driver Interface” or UDI. This system will let drivers work on any OS that has been converting to UDI. Drivers work without a recompile between OSes and without a recompile during kernel upgrades. More info can be found at http://projectudi.sourceforge.net/ and http://www.project-udi.org/ . They already have a version for Linux. This is a project that Linux hackers could get into. They will not have to upgrade all there drivers during a kernel upgrade. Project UDI already has some drivers written so this new BeOS could be started now, without reinventing the wheel.

    Now, we get the Linux community to write drivers for us and we get to focus on the only thing we really should. That is App Server and Media Kit compatability.

    What do you think?

  8. rppp01 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 09:15:22 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    You are right. This is too big an undertaking, and the free software wacks are too stuck on linux.

    Why couldn’t we do a cross breed? Get a 64bit journaled filesystem (is reiserFS 64 bit?) and then put an AtheOS kernel on it, use these UDIs for driver support, and then build up from there- and top it with OpenTracker. Sure, it isn’t as cool as BeOS, and may sound a little frankenstein, but it would be quicker than writing everything from scratch.

    Please realize that many users out there want an alternative to windows. Thats why they use linux (open source), OS/2 (closed), and qnx (closed source) and some even BeOS. But the strength is in the developer’s community. Since BeOS doesn’t have that strong community, borrow the good things from other groups, and meld them together into a strong desktop OS.

    Or, why not just push hard with AtheOS, and put BeOS application support into it, along side linux app support. You get the best of all worlds there.

    Just random thoughts.

  9. filo Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 06/18/2001 09:23:33 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    why can’t we port UDI to beos. that seems to be the most logical thing. isn’t one of the beos communities biggest gripes the lack of hardware support. wouldn’t having UDI on beos take care of this problem somewhat?

    and maybe this is just me, but why are we having these discussions about building another beos? i, for one, am not quite ready to abandon this os. if we’ve got people that think they can tackle the job of recreating beos elsewhere, why don’t they apply their skills to improving upon the beos we have now (through app development, writing drivers, and projects like open tracker). i know i personally would like to see progress made on the os we already have, and not worry about the os that we would like to build, that, at some point in the future–three or four years, let’s say, might begin to approximate what we have now. seems like a lot of wasted effort to me.

    ASIDE: let’s not forget that kurt doesn’t want atheos to be a beos clone (as he has said several times). if a group of people started trying to turn it into exactly that, i doubt they would get much support from him.

    but that’s just my opinion; i could be wrong.

  10. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rppp01 @ 06/18/2001 09:23:33 AM

    Good point with the 64bit journaled FS

    ReiserFS is getting beat up by SGI’s XFS though. XFS has support for arbitrary attributes, just like BFS. So XFS, today, is the better fit, but ReiserFS is adding a FS plugin system, which may bring arbitrary attributes faster. Mac OS X can use HPFS or UFS because they have a generic FS abstraction layer. Maybe that is the right approach here.

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/18/2001 09:49:06 AM

    Free

    “if we’ve got people that think they can tackle the job of recreating beos elsewhere, why don’t they apply their skills to improving upon the beos we have now (through app development, writing drivers, and projects like open tracker).”

    I totally agree with your point that if we all got behind BeOS again, 100%, that we could make it great. The problem is that ethically and morally, we can’t all do that. Go visit the Free Software Foundation and read about why it was started. The BeOS community was screwed by the “Focus Shift”. We paid money, wrote programs and drivers and in one day they took all future promise away.

    Atheos is released under the GPL. Even if the author doesn’t want Atheos to become a BeOS clone, he can’t stop us. Atheos is Free and we can take what has been release to date and change it however we like. Oh, that we could say the same for BeOS R5.

    I will see if it is even possible to add UDI to BeOS without changing the kernel (to which we have no source code access). If not, the Be kernel would be a poor choice for a new BeOS.

  12. filo Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 10:01:35 AM

    Re: Free

    what you say is true as well. however, i remember reading on the atheos site something to the effect of *i’m releasing the code under the gpl for the time being.* an outright push by a group of coders to change the atheos into something it’s not could be enough to cause him to release the code under a different, more restrictive, open-source lisence. again, just an aside, though. that’s the tough thing with predicting just how humans will act: they’re just so damn unpredictable.

  13. Satchmoz Says:

    Should We ?

    An Open Clone of BeOS, hmmm. This would be very hard to do, just because of the size of the task. And should we really be focusing on a clone of BeOS? Anything that steals attention away from BeOS is not nessicarily a good thing. AtheOS is a good OS in its own right, that is just begining to mature, I for one would rather it go in its own direction rather than see this BeOS-ish branch of it trying to memic an existing OS. Maybe instead we could focus on porting UDI to BeOS. BeOS’s hardware support is one of the few complaints most people have with it.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    Stupid…stupid….stupid….

    Projects like this make my stomach churn with sickness.

    One big draw to the BeOS is that is _eliminates_ the nasty problems that are associated with building an OS on an existing base.
    The BeOS is clean, it is pure, it is not cluttered, it is not a massive hack, it is wonderful because it is stable, clean, responsive, and original.

    To take the originality out of the BeOS by doing such a project is to sin against the ideals behind the BeOS.

    I’ll spare you my thoughts on the future of Be, so that I don’t get off topic here.
    However, I will tell you that if you really want to see this OS stay around, STOP abandoning it in favor for open-source, half-assed projects to emulate what we already have!
    You mention trying to avoid re-inventing the wheel. That’s ALL you’re doing! The BeOS is here, it’s working. Sure, it lacks some of the newer support, but the foundation is already there, it’s stable, and I’m nearly certain that we’ll have a fairly large update sometime soon. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a beta tester for Be, I’m just a supporter who get’s pissed when people talk of “helping the BeOS” by implementing it on another OS. This does NOT help the BeOS. It merely gives Be another reason not to release what they very well may already have.

    As for getting the Linux people to help…
    Have you see some of the CRAP they churn out?
    Yes, they have more drivers than we do, but the rest of that system IMHO is crap. Compared to the BeOS system architechture, it’s crap. The software is bloated and slow, and the GUI is terrible.
    Besides, if they were so damn smart, they’d be programming for the BeOS anyway. And if you tell me they don’t know anything about the BeOS, then none of us have been doing our jobs…

    To summarize…
    STUPID STUPID STUPID.
    You are not helping the OS that we have become the OS with the features that we want.
    By undertaking such projects, you ARE reinventing the wheel!
    The Linux community can be converted. They are not so narrow minded as most people think, they just don’t know any better.
    STUPID STUPID STUPID.

    On another note, I’m burning 2 CD’s of freeBe tonight to distribute to several friends of mine who are big on Linux, and want to try out BeOS after hearing about it from me.

    Now, that’s the type of news that needs to be posted!

  15. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:14:13 AM

    Re: Stupid…stupid….stupid….

    Damn right !

    I think a BeOS - Clone is far away from that, what BeOS needs. It might be a greater Advantage to let the Linux Apps work properly onto ATHEOS - so the OpenSauce comunity is still under each other - BTW - Linux will get a co competetor, which has much more Advantages they will ever realize on any Distrib. for this year (or even for 2002)on the Desktop. I could easily work on a BeOS-a-like GUI with all the gnu - tools and smashing server Apps for Linux with the ease of ATHEOS!

    Or make ATHEOS the so needed (OpenSource) Server/DNS/Fileserver - Counterpart in the Be - world with massive networkservice /MM streaming service capabilities ! THAT would be a thing to think over twice for ATHEOS. Really, that solution would be great. Put it to a niche and it will gain fighters !!!

    To bring AtheOS to these qualities of BeOS on the Desktop/Gui might be heavier than to bring extended Server apps/services to the BeOS / BFS with the help of ATHEOS.

    And : As long Be has no decision about their further strategy & lifetime as a company (humpahumpa), it makes no sense in bringing just a cuttled BeOS - Clone to work with Licenseware Apps of BeOS. That’s a crap. and it makes no sense. Use your time in writing drivers for BeOS instead these dongled tries, guys !

    Imagine, FreeBSD would have a Win32 - Emu, which let all the Killer-Apps properly work on BSD, so you don’t need Windows. What would MicroZoft do then ? Sure, Be wouldn’t have had the ressources to work against that no more, that’s right, but…

    BTW - does anybody know something about the shareholder conference of Be Inc. at the end of last Mai ???

  16. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/18/2001 12:17:14 AM

    Re: whatever became of gnbo?

    well technically, I don’t think gnbo can be considered an acronym…

    anyway, I thought I’d submit this because I like the BeOS experience in general… I’m not a die-hard BeOS fan like the most of us… I just like using the BeOS because of how my machine simply “feels” like how I want it to…
    if an open project gets the same “feel,” why not? after al… I’d love to see a rapidly improved BeOS-like experience on my machines…

    as for AtheOS and “not a BeOS clone” standpoint of Kurt, I think all the power to him on that decision… but the greatness of the GPL (yes, I know of its viral nature) is that people are free to evolve the free (as in speech) software so as long as the public domain gets their share back… and although Kurt is one hell of a coder to have achieved such a feat… I’m sure there might be another who might find something equally revolutionary… just takes a certain special one like Kurt, Linus, Rasterman, the BeOS core developers, etc…

    I don’t know if it will materialize… it could very well be vapour ala gnbo… but the fact that there is interest in the experience of BeOS to want to recreate/expand onto it is a nice thing to have… just imagine… Mesa… Abrowser… GTK… etc… although it may not be realistic… the possibility is endless….

    I don’t mind my OS not being BeOS… so as long as I get the same experience on my machine… so far, nothing comes close to the BeOS…

    edamame

  17. Anonymous Says:

    There’s still something missing

    You can put the universal driver interface on Atheos, make it feel more like BeOS, and whatever else. But why make it run BeOS apps? At least exclusively? A new OS needs apps, and there are tons and tons of superior quality apps out there on the market. Win32 apps. Make Atheos run apps written for Win32 and Direct media layer. I desperately want an alternative to Windows. I don’t need alternatives to the apps I use every day.

  18. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 12:14:40 AM

    All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    Advice to foreign language speakers: Do not use any slang whatsoever. You will sound like Long Duck Dong.

    “Me hip American style Open Sauced crazy guy looking for fast lady and good times”

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 1:33:10 PM

    Yes, Atheos and UDI, if that is the right kernel

    Is it the right kernel? Are there others we should be looking at?

  20. georges Says:

    But there is already ….

    AtheOS!

    This is ridiculous. Why rewrite AtheOS to be BeOS?
    Just work on making AtheOS an OS of its own. Take some of the good features from *every* platform and help to put them in AtheOS. IT’s GPL, so it won’t be shut down.

    Makes sense to me.

    AtheOS already has an active development community going for it. It is starting to gain some momentum around a small group of developers. Kurt works on it a lot and is advancing it quickly. Version 0.3.5 of AtheOS will surpass BeOS in browsing capabilities !!! Think about that.

    This is all of course if you’re really bent out of shape and want to work on a GPL project. I, personally, don’t really see anything wrong with BeOS the way it is. It works well for me.

    Georges
    [Edited at 14:13 Jun 18 2001 by georges]

  21. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 1:33:10 PM

    Re: There’s still something missing

    The Win32 API and Direct layer are the things we’re trying to avoid. Bloated, nasty APIs.

    How about instead of crabbing that you don’t have the app you want, you get off your lazy but and develop one like it? If you don’t know how to code, there’s no better time like the present to learn. I’m not trying to sound mean, but really… Just this last weekend I needed a program to preform a specific function. I’ve never coded in C before this last weekend. Within 14 hours, I had a functioning product. I’m putting the finishing touches today (taking a break to read posts), and plan on releasing it publicly tonight. It’s not big mind you, but it is useful, and it does fill a gap that needed some putty.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    I just don’t get it…

    I understand the longing for better Drivers. That’s what the tip Jar, and driver fund have been started for. And there’s great promise there!

    I don’t understand why developers are abandoning BeOS in favor of re-implementing the API elsewhere.

    Why don’t they just stick with the OS that’s already here, already working, and still needs talented developers.

    Perhaps if these talented folks would quit jumping ship, Be might show a little more support. Come on folks, this is not the time to fight amongst ourselves.

    Right now, we need to show we support the idea of the BeOS, support the company. They can only help us if we help them. If we just sit here and bicker, then nothing will ever get done. If we start trying to implement their stuff on someone elses, they WILL kill the OS. I guarentee it.
    But, if we come together, begin new development here at home, then we give Be more of a reason to keep going.

    What I’m trying to say is…
    Instead of helping the BeOS by implementing it’s API elsewhere, you’re doing more damage.

    Look at it from Be’s point of View. Wouldn’t you be a bit pissed if you were them?

    Quit trying to copy, and be original. It’ll be better for all of us in the long run!

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 2:00:58 PM

    Re: All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME!!! WANT TO DO THE HOT CHATS WITH ME??? A/S/L YOU HOT BITCH!!!

  24. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 09:51:31 AM

    Re: Good point with the 64bit journaled FS

    The AtheOS FS is 64-bit, journaled, and has attribute support too…so why not just use what it has?

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 4:08:54 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    I say, we need a new OS. If BeOS is so concerned about their OS being “stolen,” than maybe competition is what they need to get their asses in gear. I have waited too long and spent WAY too much money on Be in order to get an unfinished product.

  26. Damonous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I agree whole-heartedly with the reasoned comments posted in opposition to the “FreeBeOS” concept.
    –How about something constructive, though: Let’s do a letter-campaign to Be, requesting the next release, indicating that not only would we pay again (even if we bought a prior version), but that the OpenGl and Bone components could have a “Beta Disclaimer”. I believe this would give them the incentive to produce another version, and the financial support from us not to put them into a position of funding end-user support. Once the OGl and Bone are out for public consumption, others could assist in developing the code for a “non- Beta Disclaimer” Version 7. By this time, Be might be in better financial condition.
    I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m going to write this letter to them today. I will post back here what I send. If anyone then wants to use it as a “form letter”, more power to you!!!

  27. Damonous Says:

    Form Letter to Be for Version 6.0

    As per my previous post. The following is excerpted from the letter I just sent Be, for all who’d want to follow the lead.
    Sent to:info@be.com, Titled:Next Release of BeOS? –Please?
    I am an avid BeOS user. It is not often that I write to a company and “register” my product; but I want you to know by my serial number: <> that I am a valid user.
    So, I want you to know the following: If Be releases BeOS V6.0 (even if it is with a “Beta Disclaimer” notice in regards to the new OpenGl and Bone components), I will gladly purchase this new version at the same full retail I did for version 5.0. I believe there are many, many others who feel as I do, as well as to the concession to alleviate you from fully supporting each user (until financial matters stabilize; perhaps with a Version 7.0).

  28. Anonymous Says:

    ooo

    I hope BeOS dies soon! This project rocks, could fix Be with some nice stuff.

  29. Anonymous Says:

    Why is competition so bad?

    I mean… whoever started the project… it’s their time… and it’s what they want to do… they don’t have to do what we want them to do… some of us are capable of taking the more-than-a-year-since-Be-Inc-said-anything… but some are less tolerant of it…

    so there was someone who really likes the BeOS, but doesn’t feel like it’s exactly what he/she needs… and decides to create a clone… what makes you think the project doesn’t plan on expanding on the current implementation of BeOS? I mean, for god’s sake… it’s their own time… and maybe it’s just their pet project… like how AtheOS was to Kurt…

    I see it as a not-so-favorable situation to us BeOS users who wished there were more talented programmers developing for the BeOS… but we can’t tell them what to do… it’s their choice… just like it was our choice to use the BeOS…

    edamame

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 9:18:51 PM

    Re: ooo

    No, it won’t, it will hurt BeOS even more.
    I say we should wait, BeOS isn’t officially dead yet.

  31. Anonymous Says:

    How about this …

    I have what I think is a better idea.

    Those of us who are smart enough to program should just go ahead and write one major application, one driver and reverse-engineer one part of the original BeOS.

    If we all just did that, we’d be in great shape in about 6 months.

    Just to show that I’m “putting my money where my mouth is”, I have ported the OpenKernel Toolkit and reverse-engineered beos.bs bootloader, and I’m about to start work on an RME DIGI 96/8 driver.

    Just do it.

    Rob Judd

  32. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 2:00:58 PM

    Re: All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    You understood what he meant right? I actually think that’s the purpose of communicating. Don’t you?

    You have to understand that some people learn almost all their english from TV and music, and the slang words becomes more correct than the “correct” words to those people. And sometimes they have never heard the “correct” word, or they don’t know how to spell it and use another spelling rather than saying nothing at all.

    You can’t expect all people in this world to be well educated, and to know the English language better than most Americans.
    I admire people that dares to express themselves in English even though they are very bad at speaking/writing English.

    I’m not that good at English myself. But I think that I can make myself understood in most situations. And I think that’s the point. If my message get’s through to you, what difference does it make which words I use? Grow up!

    FYI, frequently used slang words are the ones that later becomes “official words”. And suddenly, they aren’t that “bad” or “fake”.

    So, and advice to the people that want’s to prevent the development of any language: Get a life.

  33. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 10:22:56 AM

    Re: All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    Bueno, diez por ciento de su habilidad yo tango, por lo menos.

    So I guess I would say what I say :)

  34. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:33:50 PM

    Open Sourced English

    Does that mean English is Open sourced? Damn, I better move to French.

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:26:39 PM

    Re: How about this …

    How can we contact you? Will you make this available?

  36. Zaranthos Says:

    Haha

    Monkey

  37. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 4:00:00 PM

    Re: There’s still something missing

    I think you missed my point.

    I have zero interest in recreating all of my apps on another platform. The apps I use are fully developed and mature, and are used by the entire industry. (Which industry? Fill in the blanks.) The fact that Win32 and Direct Media Layer are bloated, nasty API’s, quite frankly, is your problem, not mine. Do you want people to use your OS or not? You do? Then make the software run. Go ahead and implement PrettyAPI and Simple Media Layer on your OS, but make that a secondary priority. If you put up one single obstacle to migrating from Windows, people will stay with Windows, no matter how bad it is. Don’t believe me? Oh, right, people are leaving Windows in droves.

  38. Anonymous Says:

    A short parable

    I feel as though I should relate a story to all the folks around. Back when I was in 5th grade, my friend and I were in Hawai’i. One day after a thunderstorm, we visited a place called Ka’ena point, where rivulets flow down the beach after strong rains; my father, my friend and I got the brilliant idea to dam up one of these streams and see what happens. After about 30 minutes of sand-hauling labour, we managed to stop the flow, but the water was starting to well up behind the dam and the effort changed to that of keeping it strong and high enough to withstand the water. My friend, however, no longer amused by the “completed” endeavour, began building smaller dams below, little measley ones (since he didn’t have the help of two others). Shortly after we had successfully stopped the water, the dam broke, and the strong force of water washed away both the big dam and the small ones downstream.

  39. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 01:47:52 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    There is kernal….
    It’s a part of the ROM on the C64 (routines for IO and gfx…)

  40. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 10:01:35 AM

    Re: Free

    Why not make some BeOS “drivers” that point to the UDI, and then use that for the low level drivers? Then you wouldn’t even have to change the kernel, and it can be done without Be’s support if needed?

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:39:21 AM

    Re: Less free than FreeBe

    But what will you do when you get to the point where you would like to run the kernel on a non x86?

  42. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 12:04:45 AM

    Less free than FreeBe

    FreeBe _is_ free, because a) it’s free and b) you can develop on it for free (well, actually at the cost of a mondo download). The gracious Be, Inc. doesn’t charge for a development package nor does it restrict what you do with it. If you want, you can charge money for your software, you can release it for free, you can put it on a disk and shoot it to the moon. That’s freedom.

    Developing under open-source, however, is not. You’re restricted to the paradigms and rhetoric of the Free Software Foundation. To put it in more crass, emotion-pandering terms, you (and your software) are a slave to the GPL. And, unfortunately, this seems to have polarized the computing community (as is evidenced by my own rhetoric).

    Which is why it often seems that most of the apps from Linux (of which I am an ex-user) are just ports of windows software. People aren’t being creative, they just a) want free software or b) want to tool around with it or c) are knee-jerk reacting against the “evil corporate symbol” of Microsoft.

    The reason why I became so enamoured with the Be Operating system was because a) it came for free b) it is stabler for windows c)it’s powerful d)most of the software is free (under various licenses) and e) one could develop for Be without paying for the requisite software. I was tired of shelling out money for VC . and f)no-hassle. I can’t spend time searching for drivers for my sound card and performing a recompile which doesn’t work, downloading software which doesn’t work with my build of linux and hacking through it to fix it up (an attitude which GNU encourages– hey I don’t need to release a perfected build, someone will clean it up for me)

    I’m afraid that a project like this will suck developers from BeOS who are attracted to the romantic notion of a “free” operating system, which sticks people into (IMHO) unhealthy modes of thought, when BeOS *is* so far the ultimate in OS freedom.

    The Be community has free software, group-oriented projects (OT, BeUnited) and though it’s suffered a little bit from the corporate interests of the mother company, a GNUBe isn’t the answer. Just look around at what we already have and be proud (though not so proud you’re complacent).

    Just ask yourselves this: Why are the Japanese so quick to embrace BeOS? They know a good thing when it’s coming to them. (except, of course, bank scandals). Why do you think Be likes Japan so much? JLG is french (so he probably loves wasabi).

  43. Anonymous Says:

    Tracker on other systems, BeOS on PS2

    Has anyone ever tried to port OpenTracker to another platform. It could in theory run on any system from FreeBSD to VMS. Any Ideas on what could be done? ( Please don’t waste the time to point out that VMS is a dead OS, people kill an OS when no one wants to program for it any more. I think BeOS may be heading down the same path if nothing changes. VMS is a great OS proably the best. It is the most stable and 99.9% hackproof[ OK it’t not a 100% but 99% is leaps and bounds beyond any OS including OpenBSD] BeOS has all the same markings of a great OS including a subsquent fall from grace. We sould beter start making it totaly Open source via devlopers leaking the code or by asking be to stop and look at what they could have on their hands.) PS. I think the next PlayStation from SONY sould run BeOS or BeIA to show what it of an inprovement it could do.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 09:15:22 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    I must agree that an attempt to clone the entire BeOS at once is doomed for failure simply because of the massive size of the project. The true power of BeOS is in it’s modularity which is extreemly helpful for this project. We can simply clone the individual BeOS servers one at a time and replace them in our current install. The kernal would most likeley be the hardest part, although I would not turn to an already existing open source kernal right away, but instead port all of the servers first, keeping the original BeOS kernal until the clones of the servers are complete. Then we can create an all new kernal (Probably AtheOS) or change one already existing to work with BeOS

  45. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:08:20 AM

    Re: Open Sourced English

    All languages are “Open Sourced”. They changes constantly, and everyone using the language is involved. Dictionaries and grammar books should be used as guidelines, not as language laws.

  46. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:56:16 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    We could also learn how to spell kernel.

  47. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 12:09:24 AM

    Re: What?

    This also makes no sense.

  48. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To filo @ 06/18/2001 12:17:14 AM

    Re: whatever became of gnbo?

    GNBO was a totally spur-of-the-moment idiotic idea that was used by a lonely dork to get somebody to respond. Pure vapor, as mentioned earlier.

  49. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 9:18:51 PM

    Re: ooo

    Are you totally out of your gourd?

  50. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 5:39:55 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    sob moan piss bitch wah boo hoo

    cry me a river.

  51. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:16:38 AM

    Re: A short parable

    Please, do not do that again.

  52. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:39:21 AM

    Re: Less free than FreeBe

    that really depends on what “Free” means…

    Is BeOS free as in speech? no… at least it isn’t so free that you’re able to do anything with the sourcecode…

    Is BeOS free as in beer? yeah… so as long as you don’t want the RealG2, mp3 encoder, etc…

    and just because the OS is GPLed… it doesn’t mean new libraries can’t be written with a BSD license… or the LGPL…. which essentially means you can write subsequest applications using such libraries with a BSD license also… look at GNU/Linux… different licenses _can_ coexist

    I don’t like the viral nature of the GPL… but that’s the choice of the devs… if you don’t want to comply with the GPL, or don’t believe in the GPL philosophy, you have the choice to not use it, or any other GPLed software… that is… freedom, isn’t it? somehow, I believe these “screw GPL” people would also be the first ones to scream “yay! BeOS has the GIMP” once David Reid and his fine team of devs complete the project for all of us to use…

    (no, RMS is not my hero… but I do agree with some of the things he says)

    edamame

  53. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:16:10 AM

    Re: Win32-Layer

    …that sounds logic for me.
    If we could get any (cheaper) OS to let the NT Terminal server or at least some Database-Server side apps run on a x86-PC or a Device, we would sell this like Pop Corn !

    It’s bloated - right. But you don’t get any respectible percentages on market just by saying : oh - nice OS, BUT too less drivers, too less Apps - and there they don’t mean this tiny App,that tiny App. They mean M$ - Products, they mean Macromedia products, they mean Adobe products, they mean Notes, Oracle, Navision, SAP, Quarterdesk Products - if we can’t port it - why not only get the interface to run the apps - even as clients. If AtheOS fits for it - great ! Go on work with that. Improve it.

    Or make AtheOS a full functional PDC/Fileserver, which is W2YK - compatible !! Any other idea is wasted time.

    This is one of the reasons why Be Inc. (inofficially) gave up their beloved OS (and another might be the gossip that the brother in Law of Mr. Sakoman works for the MR company who initiated this nice market research(MR) in which they gave Be Inc. the big chances to become a major player on huge IA market (LoL) - comment : A Tribe Called Quest : I lost my wallet in El Secundo (right ?))

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 2:00:58 PM

    Re: All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    Pah - if you could speak at least two of the other Languages I speak up to 10 % as good as me, you wouldn’t say that, Pimp !

  55. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:57:28 AM

    Re: Stupid…stupid….stupid….

    open source can never be a competitor to open source. if beos is ever opened or reverse-engineered and opened the best parts will merely be merged with the best parts of other open-source software to create a better tool for everyone. it will not be the beos we know now, but it can’t be any worse because you will have the power to make it better.

    chriscapoccia@netzero.net

  56. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 02:31:01 AM

    Re: Less free than FreeBe

    [..snip..] GPL… but that’s the choice of the devs…

    No, actually that’s the choice of the nerds. Like in “news for nerds, stuff
    that matters”, but just related to apps. Or the choice of the dev-wannabes.
    Apache (a Real App ™) is under a BSD-like licence, PHP4 is under a BSD-like
    licence, Perl is under both the GPL and Artistic licence ..etc ..etc
    Of course the GPL fundamentalits flame the living crap out of “unfaithful” people, see e.g
    the reply to that stance from the PHP team at http://php.net/license/ :

    FAQ entry:
    Q. You suck! I’m going to take the last version of PHP 3 that was distributed under the GPL and fork! How
    would you like that?

    A. With fries.

    Real devs do not write code in 1969 languages style, they use even older languages
    like COBOL, or better, punch holes in cards..

    Seriously though, I’ve never seen a GPL source that did not make me frown and flee away in disgust.. it seems that
    when you make your code free-as-in-wont-get-a-nickel-from-it you feel like not bothering making
    it clean either; at least for the GPL sources, the BSD ones seem to be way better at that.

  57. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 4:59:07 PM

    Good for now, but…

    XFS is better.

  58. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 05:27:08 AM

    Re: All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    Que lingua voce quer que falasse?

    -the same anonymous

  59. chrish Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 09:26:56 AM

    Re: Good for now, but…

    For now, but SGI has dropped XFS for Linux support.

    *shrug*

    The good thing (?) about Linux is, if you wait long enough, things suck less. :-)

    - chrish

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 09:32:11 AM

    Re: All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    Français, si ça marche pour toi.
    Oder auch Deutsch, Du battkopp !!
    Mutta suomenkieltä , jos sä haluat, paska pää !
    Ya da türkçe, ne dersin ?
    Pero espanol, tambien, muchacho !

    Not only portugues senhor !

  61. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Damonous @ 06/18/2001 6:13:36 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Nice try. Why not ? But : I think, they haven’t got any ideas /possibilities to bring out any Update anyway. Q&A is not working for BeOS anymore, that’s what a former Engineer told us on BeNews.

    To Beta Disclaimers : Look at WON - once installed it burns your net_server…

    A Java 2.0 and a stable BONE - and look how fast apps are there…

  62. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 4:08:54 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    I agree with your last statement, quit copying and be original. However, the reason why some people aren’t sticking with the OS that’s already here should be pretty obvious. Developers and end-users feel abandoned. Sure, sure, BeOS works, and is available right now; however, that doesn’t count for much if you feel the company that owns it doesn’t give a damn about you–focus shift, no communications (which, IMHO, is a hundred times worse than a focus shift), murky corporate future. Everyone here knows this, and I find it odd that people begrudge others for wanting a bit more advances for their personal OS. If they want to work on an Open Source version of an OS, more power to them, and I wish them the best of luck.

  63. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:17:22 PM

    Re: ooo

    That sounds so sad: “…BeOS isn’t officially dead yet.” I had to laugh when I read that!

  64. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 10:41:53 AM

    Re: ooo

    And it will never be “officially” dead. Be will never issue a press release about that. It will be stupid to ditch BeOS from their product line, as it is still a product, even if they don’t want it to be one.
    But BeOS is dead already. With or without an official press release. Get over it.

  65. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 4:08:54 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    Are you Daffed!?!?!?

    “Perhaps if these talented folks would quit jumping ship, Be might show a little more support. Come on folks, this is not the time to fight amongst ourselves. ”

    You’re a bit backward on this. People are jumping ship because they feel that Be already HAS abandoned them. Support for the company?!?!? I really fail to understand why people keep this argument up. Support for a company is buying the product.

    Let me give you a scenario: You’ve got an old TV. You really like it, but you want new features that it just doesn’t have (HDTV etc…). The company that made it hasn’t come out with a model since the last one you bought. Do you wait, hope, and pray that the company comes out with an up to date model? Do you develop accesories for the old TV to try and make it more up to date even though the company won’t even tell you weather it plans to continue suppor the old TV? Or, Do you simply find a better TV elsewhere?
    This may not be the greatest analogy, but I still think it fits. BeOS is a product like any other. I don’t feel the need to “Support” Sony by telling the world that I own one of their TVs, I don’t feel the need to “Support” Cakewalk By writing plug-ins. I support them by buying the product. If Cakewalk were to take attitude toward supporting their product that Be has had, I’d stop buying Cakewalk also.

  66. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 02:31:01 AM

    Free as in speech?

    If BeOS is “UnFree” in that sense, then so is everything– you can’t program an app that makes the computer grow legs and jump out the window. Oh dear. My freedom of speech is restricted. There is always some sense of scope to the environment in which you operate.

    In the case of BeOS, you can’t change the kernel. In the case of coke, you can’t change the “secret ingredient”.

  67. Kart Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 06/19/2001 09:37:47 AM

    Re: Good for now, but…

    The good thing about Linux is, if you wait long enough, things suck less.

    That one is going in my fortune file!

  68. Kart Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:55:55 AM

    Re: Tracker on other systems, BeOS on PS2

    VMS wasn’t all that bad, I learned Fortran on it back in college. It’s all going the way of the dinosaurs these days. Instead of Fortran most folks are using Matlab or just writing stuff in straight C.

    Even on VMS, you can steal other people’s passwords and set up fake accounts. No amount of software security in the world can stop a little social engineering.

  69. arougthopher Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 2:10:21 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    Dear Mr. Anonymous,

    Do you write on your TV model’s message board? And if you did, would you write such a long comment about it? Just by reading these forums and participating in them, you must feel something more the the product you are talking about, i.e. BeOS.

    So I guess what your really saying is, that you support BeOS, but with what has been happening lately, don’t have the balls to admit it.

  70. Anonymous Says:

    Open Source

    The thing about any Open Source effort (i.e., a particular application) is that eventually it dies down.

    Because, you know, those people get jobs and suddenly don’t need everything to be free.

  71. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 4:03:57 PM

    Like Linux, right?

    That secene is really quiet these days. It totally depends on the project.

  72. Anonymous Says:

    Complete Waste of time

    If you want to work on an open-source OS, there’s Linux.

    If you want to work on the BeOS, there’s BeOS.

    Unless this person is writing an OS for the pure fun of it - more power to them. But in that case, the name is misleading.

  73. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 12:10:06 AM

    Re: How about this …

    The OpenKernel Toolkit is available on BeBits.
    http://www.bebits.com/app/2308

    The beos.bs file was sent to BeTips but Scot hasn’t put it online yet. That was just before his site went offline a fortnight ago, and I think he’s still catching up.

    If you want a copy of that, email me.
    judd@alphalink.com.au

    Rob

  74. LeftTurn Says:

    Why Anonymous?

    What is it with such hot topics like this that bring all the anonymous posters out of the woodwork. Your post would have a little more credence with readers if you at least had some identity.

    Anyway, if somebody wants to make another OS similar to BeOS, more power to them. However, they should do it themselves, not reverse engineer and steal code.

    Porting UDI to BeOS seems to make more sense to me. Drivers are always a problem for just about ANY OS that is not Windows. A common driver interface would benefit the entire computing community!

    Open Source has it’s good points and bad points. Most of the real applications in Linux, the one’s that are actually finished and fully functional without hacks, usually require some payment or are not Open Source. Yes, there are a few exceptions, like the much vaunted “Gimp” (though it’s rare to see a business rely on Gimp), but overall, complete apps usually require compensation to the developers.

    For various reasons, Linux doesn’t work for me, Apple won’t do it for me, BeOS works the best and I have to cover it’s shortcomings with WinCrap. I’m all for seeing BeOS become advanced enough to dump Windows. I’m also all for seeing an OS appear that’s better than BeOS. I just don’t see it being Open Source. I’d be happy to be surprised though :)

    Anyway, flame, complain, encourage, whatever, but I’m ignoring any posts from “Anonymous”. Put a nme out there and we can dialog :)

  75. Anonymous Says:

    A word from the manufacturer

    From http://www.atheos.cx/ the official Atheos website:

    Unlike many people seems to believe AtheOS is *not* a BeOS clone. The two OS’s are not compatible at binary level nor source-code level. Making a BeOS clone has never been a goal (I started working on AtheOS before the first BeBox was shipped), it is not a goal now, and it will not be a goal in the future.

  76. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 06/19/2001 09:37:47 AM

    Re: Good for now, but…

    For now, but SGI has dropped XFS for Linux support.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Chris, you FUD spreading idiot!! XFS has not dropped Linux XFS support, far from it. The only thing they did was not renew contracts for some people who ported over XFS to Linux. Most of the porting work is done. It’s now just a matter of getting it into the mainstream kernel. Besides, XFS is released under the GPL so anyone can pick up the ball from there. Stop spreading misinformation okay?

  77. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/20/2001 04:25:43 AM

    Re: Good for now, but…

    That should have been “SGI has not dropped XFS for Linux support”.

  78. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To arougthopher @ 06/19/2001 4:02:40 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    This isn’t the same Mr. Anonymous…

    This is a different one, but I can say personally that I have supported the OS all up until the OS company stopped supporting me. Whatever comes out for Be I will still buy as long as it fulfills a need of mine (Titan comes to mind) And I am hoping that BeOS survives. But if it doesn’t. AtheOS would be a more than worthy alternative. After using BeOS I can’t say I would be happy with any OS that isn’t in some way, “Be-like.” So, I will go with what options I am presented with. What I am really hoping is that AtheOS comes out with a really nice OS, and that it gets popular enough that Be will reconsider their focus shift.

  79. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/20/2001 02:33:16 AM

    Re: A word from the manufacturer

    If Kurt has been working on this since 1995 it will likely never be finished. I’ve tried to install it, and it’s fairly crude.

    haiqu (No password emailed yet, after 2 days.)

  80. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 09:15:22 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    Nice in theory, but UDI is an immature technology that, like a 3-yo child, needs more to be contributed to than it can contribute.
    Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice ideal. In about 5 years it will be useful, too. In the meantime, it’s just a distraction.

    haiqu

  81. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/20/2001 02:33:16 AM

    Re: A word from the manufacturer

    Just a quick thank you and good luck to you Kurt !

    HarjTT

    : o )>

  82. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Kart @ 06/19/2001 3:57:05 PM

    Re: Tracker on other systems, BeOS on PS2

    How hard would it be to port the Tracker to lets say FreeBSD. As a application that can be run from the shell prompt and ca start up the tracker and deskbar. I do realize that this would also require to port all of the graphics librays assocated with BeOS and at least the Terminal App. If this can be done then porting that to another(any) other system would be a snap.

  83. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 12:17:16 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    ….your point being……?

  84. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 02:31:01 AM

    Re: Less free than FreeBe

    I say if RMS really wants his precious fucking source for every goddamn piece of software, he can feel free to disassemble everything. There’s your fuckin source, RMS.

  85. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Damonous @ 06/18/2001 7:08:04 PM

    Re: Form Letter to Be for Version 6.0

    be wont release 6, they dont have the money to, nor do they have the employees

  86. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:16:38 AM

    Re: A short parable

    if ur suggesting be will get an overflow of users, youre wrong

  87. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 5:31:12 PM

    Re: Like Linux, right?

    amen brotha

  88. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 06/19/2001 8:38:24 PM

    Re: Why Anonymous?

    i dont wanna be flamed by the stupid be users like yourself

    Open Source has it’s good points and bad points. Most of the real applications in Linux, the one’s that are actually finished and fully functional without hacks, usually require some payment or are not Open Source. Yes, there are a few exceptions, like the much vaunted “Gimp” (though it’s rare to see a business rely on Gimp), but overall, complete apps usually require compensation to the developers.

    UNTRUE if you actually read how to install a program right, there are generally no probs with the program, wether its full or not

    next, ur saying that be has more software than linux!? phhhhhhhhhh

  89. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 11:14:13 AM

    Re: Stupid…stupid….stupid….

    DIE BEOS BEOS DIE DIE BEOS

  90. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To arougthopher @ 06/19/2001 4:02:40 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    No, that’s what I’m saying at all. I’m posting here because I use BeOS. Posting here doesn’t support Be whatsoever, it supports the BeOS community which is alot more than Be is doing. But, if another OS were to come along that better met my needs, AtheOS or otherwise, I would “Support” that company, and drop Be like a hot rock. This may not be a popular opinion around here, but that’s what comsumers do. They “support” the company that gives them what they want.

  91. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 1:37:58 PM

    ?????????

    i discovered it yesterday. it’s still better then all competing oses, i don’t get such alternatives. it’s stable as linux, a better media os then windows, runs faster then mac os…. the basis of the os rock. i don’t see why peoiple should abondon it.

    get programming instead, learn to program (i can’t program) what does it matter if you prot it to another os, you still need to make new software, so why don’t make new software for a os that still rocks!??

    if everybody would be writing open source programs for beosd then be inc. would reconsider releasing updates for this os!

  92. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/21/2001 2:44:06 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    Much as a fat man supports the crack-whore who provides falatio?

    Screw you.

  93. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/21/2001 2:44:06 PM

    Re: I just don’t get it…

    face it pal, the “community” is a fucking joke. the few developers left are the only thing that makes BeOS cool.

  94. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 00:56:16 AM

    Re: Too much to do at once

    THAT is an EXCELLENT idea. :-) And why not have a place somewhere where people can contribute ideas/design etc….

    btw “anonymouse” nitpicker on spelling… good coders never know how to spell. Something about reading “cout” “ioctls” and “malloc” all day…
    {
    quit(”griping”, “already”);
    }

    okay, so.. let’s get started. :-)
    -SirNickity

  95. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 01:49:58 AM

    Re: What?

    Here.. allow me to translate. :P

    BeOS = Windows 9x = Desktop OS
    AtheOS = Win NT/2k = Server OS

    Understand now? Can we quit giving people a hard time about their language skills? Geez… all we need now is a handful of @AOL.com addresses and we’re all set. :P

    -SirNickity

  96. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 06/19/2001 8:38:24 PM

    Why *I’M* anonymous

    I’ve created two different user accounts here on BeGroovy, both of which eventually ended up complaining that my username/pword were incorrect. I got tired of having to repost a message about three times, and eventually giving up and going anon anyway, so I just put my sig at the bottom. The link says Anonymous, the message says:

    -SirNickity

    I have a feeling a lot of other people are doing the same thing. Plus, I have my Windows partition, my BeOS partition, my BeOS server, my ‘rent’s computer, the comps at skool, the two comps at my friend’s house, all of which I use from time to time to get online.

    Signed (again)
    -SirNickity

  97. Anonymous Says:

    Well well…

    So this is the BeOS community. I don’t believe I’ve read this many obscenity-laden, insult-throwing, hopeless romantic vs. diehard pessimist messages on one board since I stopped checking in on a high-end audiophile board at www.audioreview.com.

    THIS is why BeOS is dying. Not (entirely) because of Be’s silence, not because of GPL, not because of lacking drivers or apps, but because the community is covered with lazy, bitchy, wish-washy users who want everything but refuse to give anything.

    Right now, I couldn’t code my way out of a paper bag. Do I expect someone to toss me a driver for my SuperMegaGallactic DDR 128 AGP Pro video board? No. I deal with my VD3’s 2D-only support. WHEN I get good enough at C (been using Visual Behemoth for quite some time) I will be creating my own projects to suit MY needs, and hopefully those of others. It’s evidently beyond most of you to think along these lines. Shit doesn’t come free, people. Buy it, wait for it, or do it yourself.

    I’ve been using Windoze more lately because I’ve been doing work that can’t be done in BeOS. That’s sad, because there’s plenty of talent to make all these things happen. What it also means is that BeOS is becoming less and less viable. Is it dead? I hope not. But starting a new project is akin to buying a boat and going out to sea with life jackets, just in case something happens. Do you want BeOS to die? No, but you don’t want your boat to sink either. These last few weeks just made me realize how much I *don’t* want to go back to Windows once I buy hardware BeOS can’t use (like my Ultra 160 SCSI card that it is clueless about). A new (OSS or not) OS endeavor is not heresy, it’s not a nail in Be’s coffin, it’s a survival backup plan. I think it’s a damn good idea.

    So if you’re happy using your PII/III/AMD Duron forever, stick with BeOS as it is. Hopefully, they’ll release another version. I’ll be all over it if they do. If they DON’T tho, I’ll be using something else, having planned ahead. I think that’s all this news post was meant to say.

    HDDs are cheap. I can fit another OS on here if I really want to.

    -SirNickity

  98. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 12:07:50 AM

    Re: All your fake, bad english posts are belong to us

    Ein grosse bier, bitte!

  99. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/19/2001 01:55:18 AM

    Re: whatever became of gnbo?

    Yeah, thanks for calling me a dork… How long did it take you to come up with that one? Any way you’re right about the vaporware thing, I quit because there is no reason for it anymore.

  100. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/18/2001 1:33:10 PM

    Re: There’s still something missing

    You are forgetting that applications written for WIN32 are just as sloppy as windoze OS on which they run. Sure, adding an API for those programs would make them available on BeOS, but then BeOS would have a whole bunch of bloated, buggy and resource hogging apps with conflicting .dll’s and memory addresses. We’d end up with the Be version of windoze hell. I think it much better for those who just can’t live without some windoze apps, would be something like Win4Lin on Linux. That allows you to contain all that windoze crap in protected memory so when it crashes the OS just cleans up the affected window and carries on.

  101. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 06/19/2001 8:38:24 PM

    Re: Why Anonymous?

    I’m anonymous because this board forces me to create a user ID with a name and password. I don’t want to do that. I would be very happy to simply use my name if I did not have to create a user as well. I don’t want to be setting up myself as a user on boards all over the place.

    (no longer anonymous) Michael Wassil
    be-boy@bemail.org

  102. Ilya Minkov Says:

    Hey… i believe some of you heard of

    ReactOS

    , which is to become a multi operating system. It is a Windows NT kernel clone (which btw. is not the work of microsoft, and the architecture is worth considering) It strives to become compatible with Windows NT4.0 and NT2000 drivers, and the project invites other developers, which would implement compatibility layers, which shall make it compatible to Linux and maybe BeOS, then later to OS/2 and Windows itself.

    Any takers? Opinions?

    I believe that a strong driver base on the one hand, and the groundwork which is *much* faster than X server on the other, might be better than OpenBeOS (driver lack!) and B.E.OS(sluggish X!)?

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