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BeZilla losing developers

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Posted by:Ryan on Wednesday, 06 Jun, 2001 @ 12:43 AM
 
BeZilla

Just had it pointed out to me that Wade Majors has stopped working on the BeZilla project, saying:

Some may not like to hear this, but I will no longer be working on Mozilla/BeOS. I will be happy to donate and transfer the mozillaforbeos.org domain to any user or group who wishes to do something with it. My reasons do have something to do with Be and the future of BeOS, and I am not going to try and justify those reasons here. You’ve all heard the stuff before. I wish Ham, Matt and the other moz devs still around luck.

He used to provide daily builds of BeZilla. I have also heard that Yannick Koehler has stopped working on BeZilla, though I don’t have confirmation on that. That still leaves several people on the BeZilla team, all of which are skilled and have been making progress… But they need more. BeZilla is a crucial app for BeOS, as it stops almost every complaint about a lack of browser support. Once it is up to speed with the other platforms, maintaining it won’t be as difficult. In fact, it should be relatively simple. But getting there will take a lot of help from lots of peeps. So if you can spare some time, and have “1337 skillz” involving BeOS coding, head over there and get involved.



27 Responses to “BeZilla losing developers”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    that sucks

    I guess he has his reasons.

    Anyone know of another place to get builds of mozilla now that Wade’s site is gone?

  2. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 1:25:45 PM

    Re: that sucks

    yes, it does…

    But instead of always just leeching, how about participating in the development of BeZilla!!!

    I am…

  3. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 1:28:24 PM

    Re: that sucks

    Sorry, not all of us are “coding gods” or even moderately good at coding (read “code rocks”). There is only so much we can do. But I guess our continued enthusiam through thick and thin is not enough for some folks.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    …crap.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 1:25:45 PM

    Re: that sucks

    He’ll be back…just give him some time,
    5-10 weeks..

  6. Anonymous Says:

    this is why…

    …even if BeOS dies, I will still have something to thank Be for: If it wasnt for situations like this, I would have never started learning C . Hopefully, someday I too may help out with the cause.

  7. LoCal Says:

    [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    FIRST! I have huge respect for wade and other devs, great work.

    But what I’m wondering about is the “My
    reasons do have something to do with Be”-statements. What is Be, Inc. doing to devs? Are the telling devs to stop work? Are they forcing devs to other OS?
    I ddn’t think so. Yes, I know Be is not talking much (to devs, not to users!!) since a “few” month, but is this what encourages devs? Aren’t the positive mails from users what encourage devs? Hmmmmm…..as there are new releases of BONE, I believe that Be hasn’t cut the connection to the devs.
    Hmmm…..what is it then?

    Wade, you BeZilla builds rocked….really…..such a great work…..hope we will see you back soon :)

    LoCal
    [Edited at 15:05 Jun 6 2001 by LoCal]

  8. Anonymous Says:

    Yannick calls it Quits and Other Rants

    Yannick Koehler declared he was no longer involved with BeOS development to the Bezilla mailing list on 5/31.

    With all the recent developers leaving with the same excuse, I began to wonder, does Be Inc. believe that Independent Developers are neccessary to its future success? The answer I came up with is no.

    If Sony needs a particular driver or a particular function, Be writes it or hires an outside developer to write it. If an Independent Developer wrote the much sort after killer app, but required Be’s help and Sony couldn’t use it, Be response would be “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out”.

    The Exit is quickly filling with ex-Be Developers. (see Dilbert comic 6/5/01)

  9. chrish Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 2:32:01 PM

    Re: Yannick calls it Quits and Other Rants

    In five years, nobody came up with the “tractor application”, so 3rd party devs were just a burden on Be’s resources.

    Since the focus shift, Be, Inc. has completely ignored 3rd party developers. Individual Be, Inc. employees still provide useful information, but Be, Inc. doesn’t care.

    - chrish

  10. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish @ 06/06/2001 3:38:36 PM

    No such thing as a tractor application

    You’re absolutely right, but Be’s problem was believing in the myth of the “tractor application”.

    That was a great idea when nobody had heard of spreadsheets or desktop publishing before, but I just don’t see *any* “killer app” in the future - at least not on computers and OS’s as we now know them.

    What Be needed was lots of good apps, a good environment to work in, and hard work, not some single Messiah “tractor application”.

    Any new application category that appeared on BeOS would just be duplicated on Windows a week later. Yeah BeOS is great, but it couldn’t have enabled a whole new category of software application any more than Windows or MacOS could.

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 1:28:24 PM

    Re: that sucks

    Some of us would love to help. However connection speed to cvs is so appalling that I just don’t see me leaving a dial up connection up all night in order to participate. I am sure others are in a similar position. Thanks to all who are helping out but many of us just cant manage it for one reason or another.

    drake

  12. Eugenia Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 5:00:08 PM

    Re: No such thing as a tractor application

    Exactly,
    this is why I suggested this:
    http://www.benews.com/story/3803
    It is hard to create it, but it is something that can put BeOS in the top in 1 day time, plus it would be impossible to get copied (and maybe properly developed as well :P ).

  13. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LoCal @ 06/06/2001 2:27:02 PM

    Re: [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    As a (wanna-be?) developer, I never felt neglected by Be. The folks in BeDevTalk are very helpful and polite, and I also got personal help via eMail from Be employees. Of course, this is not offical support from Be Inc the company, but it is enough to make dev’s life worthwhile. And to me, as a hobby BeOS developer, this kind of support is far better than the very costly and not necessarily helpful support companies like Microsoft sell to developers. I had to contact MSDN support at work, and I would say that their support was not worth the money.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 06/06/2001 6:57:00 PM

    Re: No such thing as a tractor application

    Your idea is great, but it takes a lot to make something that comes even close to it. The big companies (Microsoft, IBM, …) spend $$$ on research on AI and natural language processing, and they’re still far from anything ready for daily use. I agree that BeOS’ Messaging system makes BeOS the optimal platform for such things, but I don’t see the community having enough ressources to do this kind of thing, nonetheless I’d be willing to participate in such an effort.

  15. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 04:36:18 AM

    Re: [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    Right on brother !

  16. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 04:36:18 AM

    Re: [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    I concur, though I tend to rely relatively little on anyone else when
    writing code and automatically working around bugs when I find some in the OS
    (which /does/ happen, BeOS is not perfect) rather than asking for
    confirmation or things, I remember the few times I needed help, everyone was
    very helpful. This is (part of the) incentive I have to “give back” to the community
    what I received myself, either by writing code or (unfortunately not often enough)
    by taking my turn in helping out people who are stuck on mailing lists, or other means.

  17. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 04:36:18 AM

    Re: [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    What?? A developer that doesn’t complain about Be?????

    That can’t be, there’s something unusual going on here… might be the end of the world is nigh?

  18. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 1:35:30 PM

    You can help even if you can’t code

    Yes, you can help BeZilla or other projects even if you can’t code.
    You can maintain the project’s site, keep track of people involved in the project, do public work, do beta testing, encourage other people to take part in the project, encourage the developers by writing supportive eMails.
    Like someone once told me, there is no critizism that isn’t constructive: Even an eMail telling a developer “I don’t like your product, because it doesn’t do XYZ.” can be helpful, as long as you still show respect for his work.

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 07:17:19 AM

    Re: [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    In fact, most developers don’t complain much about Be Inc. It’s just that the ones who do get public attention.

  20. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 2:32:01 PM

    Re: Yannick calls it Quits and Other Rants

    Losing Wade and Yannick is a big loss, simple as that. I’ve kept a close eye on Bezilla from the days when Richard Hess setup the original Bezilla team. Yannick was one of the developers that picked up the pieces when Hess left and kept ploughing along with Matt to give us what we’ve got. Heck it was Yannick or Matt that found the “32MB memory stubb” limitation in BeOS, and it was only help from JBQ that got the project back on track. Wade actually gave those of us that are not as skilled binary builds of Bezilla.

    My respect and appreciation to both Wade and Yannick for all of there damn good work. Wish you guys the best of luck in whatever you do.

    HarjTT

    : o )>

  21. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 07:17:19 AM

    Re: [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    It’s just so cool to develop on BeOS, it is coherent, the documentation is concise, the code just works, apps are fast ,hardware independent.
    I would never have learned c without BeOS.

    BeOS is a treasure :)

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 07:35:31 AM

    Re: You can help even if you can’t code

    Pitching in money is always good. I don’t like Netscape, so I am not involved. But developers on projects like this would love some $$$ to take a day off from work and work on the project.

    Depending on what the developer does/how their financial status is, it may not need to be more than a hundred dollars or two (US).

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/06/2001 2:12:40 PM

    Re: that sucks

    or not.

  24. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 06/06/2001 6:57:00 PM

    Re: No such thing as a tractor application

    HA! Are you kidding? That idea was a complete joke. Do you realize the resources involved? I havn’t taken you seriously since that ‘editorial.’

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 10:57:41 PM

    Re: No such thing as a tractor application

    >Do you realize the resources involved?

    I am sure she does, she even mentioned that. And that was an idea for a big corporation with lots of money, not for a community project. An idea is just an idea btw.

  26. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 06/06/2001 6:57:00 PM

    Re: No such thing as a tractor application

    Unfortunately for your idea we first need Speech Recognition, without which it’ll get nowhere :(

    Why not break it all down into component parts and get individuals to develop those small parts? It’d make it a lot easier to manage and even if the AI failed, you’d still have Speech ?

    R

  27. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 06/07/2001 08:26:55 AM

    Re: [sarcasm] Be is telling devs to piss off [/sarcasm]

    yup, as someone else said, “woogsdom gaining developers, needs even more” does not make up
    for such a good headline, whereas BeZilla loosing devs is more newsworthy :-) .. Granted
    (obviously) BeZilla is a proven product and not an early beta in need of changes to its very core…

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