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The Any Key is no more.

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Posted by:Ryan on Wednesday, 02 May, 2001 @ 10:25 AM
 
The "Any" Key

Well, due to the semi-slowing community, the lack of optimism, and a general lack of enthusiasm, The “Any” Key has stopped publication. Rob sent over a letter for you all to read explaining his reasons, which you can see by clicking “Read More” below. All the previous strips will still be available in the archive. I want to thank Robert for all his hard work on the strip, and for all the laughs. Those strips were clearly a labor of love, and took a lot of time. It’s a shame to see them go. Read on for his letter…

Hello,

I just wanted to drop you line about “The ‘Any’ Key”. As a
investor, advocate and user I sadly discontinue my development of “The ‘Any’
Key”. I created this comic strip to give a little support to BeOS community
and I did so by donating my time to create it. As an investor I gave my
resources in the hope they could continue to develop my beloved BeOS,
instead it was an egg placed in one basket (BeIA). The few developers out
there are leaving because of the lack of support and the community has been
burned. I will continue to watch the development of BeOS but I can no
longer donate my time to something that I am not optimistic about. I would
like to thank a few people: Nutcase; thanks for the opportunity to post this
strip and I wish much success for BeGroovy. My Readers; thanks for reading
the strip and I hope you have enjoyed it. Be Advocates; thank you for all
hanging in there. Again good luck to all and if things do become better in
the future maybe we will see a return of the crew, I at least know that
CosmOS will not die…sigh.

Sadly,
Robert N. Gering
“The ‘Any’ Key”



63 Responses to “The Any Key is no more.”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Thanks again

    Well not that original but thanks for the good laughs, i hope you fined another good endeavour to persue.

    Set a new course Mr Sulu, C U in te next solar system.

    Any key’s are everywhere…..

    Grts,
    Ted.
    (Zathros)

  2. Anonymous Says:

    Only the good die young

    “Well, due to the semi-slowing community, the lack of optimism, and a general lack of enthusiasm, The “Any” Key has stopped publication.”

    This is sad, when the community is in deep need of good things to cheer them up, the good things dissapear due to the community feeling sad and angry.
    First Technix put his BeShare weekly news on the shelf, and now this. What’s next? BeGroovy?
    Soon there will only be BeNews left :(

    rain

  3. Anonymous Says:

    Thanks

    Well, it’s always sad to see good things stop.
    Anyway, thanks for the good work, I was always waiting for the next strip to have a good laugh..
    Good luck, and thanks again…
    Ed.

  4. PieterPan Says:

    Thanks

    That’s too bad, I enjoyed reading them.

    Thanks for the good reads and laughs.

    Pieter

  5. Eugenia Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/02/2001 12:53:50 AM

    Re: Only the good die young

    Don’t count on this. The final decision as to what BeNews *may* transform in to, it will be in July (we give Be two months to shape up BeOS).

    Eugenia


    BeNews Editor

  6. gmlongo Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 05/02/2001 1:48:09 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    The clock is ticking… :(
    [Edited at 13:59 May 2 2001 by gmlongo]

  7. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 05/02/2001 1:48:09 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    Be gave up on BeOS a long time ago (it’s what, nearly a year and a half now since they told us this?).

    You’re also assuming that there’s someone at Be who can actually do something to “shape up” BeOS, whatever that means. The development community screamed bloody murder (I know NGE’s CEO was on the phone for a week or two trying to get [i]any[/i] concrete information) during the “focus shift” and Be didn’t respond, why would they now?

    I feel bad for the few enthusiasts remaining at Be (Marco, Dianne, jbq) hoping that BeOS will live on.

    - chrish

  8. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 05/02/2001 1:48:09 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    What I find sad is the “I give up” attitude with suposed BeOS fans. If you don’t like BeOS move along, have a nice day. “We give Be two months to shape up BeOS”. What the hell is that? I’ll tell you what it is. Terrorism, threats and a growing crock of **** with the BeNews staff….. The problem isn’t with Be anymore so much as with the people who’s love for BeOS has died and who have been overcome with negativity. BeOS didn’t have hardware OpenGL or BONE in R4.5 and I still loved it. I still love it today. I can understand Be’s situation, they at least have an excuse but some of the community has none. Be is facing the possibility of running out of money people. Wake up. Quit bitching at them and maybe try saying something nice. FargoBUG just did a BeOS demo to some networking students at a local college. It went really well. I have sold more than 10 copies of BeOS and many of them are used still daily by the people who purchased them. I will order some more copies and guess what? I’ll sell all those also. Now I know people like Eugenia have done a lot for BeOS (thank you), but it is hardly the time to kick Be when they are down.

    Cheer up people, you are even making me feel bad some days.

  9. Eugenia Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/02/2001 2:23:33 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    It is not really our decision, we still love and support BeOS but the server needs hundreds of dollars to be where it is now, while our hits are going from bad to worse, even if we do post more news stories these days (while nothing _really_ exciting is happening to report). We need money for BeNews to be alive. And this money can only be here if we have our internal focus shift (as I said, this has *not* been decided yet, we are still thinking and exploring possibilities). Think Be, think BeNews. Same situation. And the unfortunate thing is that we lean on Be for our success. BeNews is a company, not just a community site, even we do run *as* a community site and the editors do not get paid.
    [Edited at 14:41 May 2 2001 by Eugenia]

  10. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/02/2001 2:23:33 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    What I find sad is the “I give up” attitude with supposed BeOS companies. If you aren’t going to support your product, tell us to have a nice day. “We are focusing on IA’s, and the OS will be a dev platform”. What the hell is that? I’ll tell you what it is. Lies, abandonment, and a growing crock of **** with the Be Inc management…. The problem isn’t with the community anymore so much as with the people who sustained our love of BeOS by continuing it’s development. BeOS didn’t have hardware OpenGL or BONE in R4.5 and I still loved it, because I knew it was growing. It’s not growing today. I can understand the community’s situation, they at least have an excuse but Be has none. The community is facing the possibility of their OS dying people. They are waking up. They are bitching at Be and maybe trying something else. FargoBUG just did a BeOS demo to some networking students at a local college, using a version of BeOS from 14 months ago. It went really well. They have sold less than 20 copies of BeOS and a lot ( less than 15 ) of them are used still daily by the people who purchased them. They will order some more copies and guess what? They’ll sell all those also (another 10). Now I know people like Eugenia have done a lot for BeOS (thank you), and if they think it’s over, it probably is. It’s hardly the time for Be to kick us when we are down.

    Cheer up people, you are even making me feel bad some days. I mean, I’m not the one who’s wrong. It’s everybody else.

  11. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 05/02/2001 2:36:47 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    Nice NutJob. El SpinDoctor today :)

    You know what? I have sold as many copies of BeOS as I have Windows (no more BeOS) in the time I have had BeOS in stock. I work at a small computer store in a small town. So, 10 copies here is pretty impressive for this area. I haven’t even tried all that hard to sell them. BeOS is still a good OS as it will be (even without updates) for a long time. Anyone can find plenty of negative stuff to say. I think we (the community) could be a little more supportive. The nice thing is some are. People are getting sick of the trash on Be trend. If I was a web designer I would start my own BeNooze and there are plenty of people who would be more than happy to write news for free btw. Be as a company should flush BeOS down the toilet if it will help them survive. The question is will they even find a way to survive? I sure hope so. I’m sure they would love to give us a roadmap, a new version of BeOS, and a cookie but they have more important things on their minds.

  12. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/02/2001 2:55:55 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    nice to see you can take a good ribbing Z. :)

    anyway, i agree that people need to wait it out… hence begroovy still standing. But i have lost faith in Be. Hopefully they will do something to show beos is still alive, but everything i have been hearing, both officially, and off the record, points to bad. Thus, i have moved away from be for now. I will keep the site alive to see what happens, but i am starting to doubt that be will ever sort themselves out. :(

  13. cedricd Says:

    Aww..

    This sucks.. I’ll add my thank you! to the upper ones, I enjoyed reading all the strips. So long..
    [Edited at 16:27 May 2 2001 by cedricd]

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/02/2001 2:55:55 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    I love j00. This is the reality. Would be nice to see another BeOS update, and I’ll continue to use it until it becomes truely obsolete. I will also not have a distraught, psychological drain if BeOS becomes dead. It’s just not worth it. Another thing I’d like to say is that the general “community” attitude hurt BeOS a bit by inciting stupid OS wars and people became frazzled because there wasn’t a 9-month or whatever release. People need to get a grip, and remember the saying “Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket.”

  15. artslave Says:

    I don’t understand why you are quitting but TAK will be missed

    Rob,
    I know BeOS is doing a dive bomb into the shitter but what I don’t understand is why you have to give up on the Any Key. You could have a lot of fun doing parodies of what is happening to Be Inc and the community. Speaking of the community, we’re still here. BeOS is dieing but many of us are still using it and we still like to read your comic strip.

    I must have a twisted sense of reality because I don’t understand why, just because the OS has stalled, so many people are abandoning ship. If the OS was useful 1 month, 6 months, 1 year ago why is it not still useful.

    I can see why BeNews is looking at their options, they have to in order to survive.
    I can see why Nutcase is disillusioned by Be Inc executives, (but I still don’t know why he can’t use BeOS anymore).

    Back to Rob,
    If you decide to start another strip or revive CosmOS in one way or another let us know.
    I would be interested in continuing to read/enjoy your work.

  16. rgering Says:

    In Response To artslave @ 05/02/2001 5:03:37 PM

    Re: I don’t understand why you are quitting but TAK will be missed

    Sorry, I see your side of things but sadly I do not share it. BeOS to me is a loss and it is time for me to move on.
    I do have many projects in the works. I have been devloping a twisted series of boardgames I would like to publish and I also have some Graphic Novels I am working on. I will make them avalable someday after I get Bucky Productions Studio up on the net.

  17. LoCal Says:

    In Response To Eugenia @ 05/02/2001 2:34:42 PM

    lack of enthusiasm at benews? [Was: Re: Only the good die young]

    Hi Eugenia!

    I dunno if you are paid by view or paid by click, but I sometimes I click your banner ads just for “BeNews” and there is always the same php/mysql error.. I told your webmaster -> no respond, error is still there…….

    ‘nuf for me…..

    LoCal

  18. LoCal Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/02/2001 2:23:33 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    Yup,

    I’m also also somewhat fucked up about that “giving up” blah blah. What do you expect from Be? Do you want them to bring out a last BeOS update and then fade away? Or do you want them to sort probs out, get well, bring out BeIA, bring out BeOS-update, get successful with BeIA, updating BeOS, …..
    I’m still patient and I trust Be. Currently it seems to be cool to say “I chancel BeOS-dev/support/whatever, because Be is showing lack of support”.
    I guess there should be a rantvirus2…..we need an update for this too.
    I understand if Adamation is stoping BeOS dev….I’m sure they might come back…
    But I don’t understand most of the “I give up”-sayers in the last weeks especially for “Any Key”.
    “Any Key” does not depends on an OS and IIRC they have been made on windoze….or am I wrong? The content could change to “anything”. Damn that makes me really angry.
    And the worst is, that all you negative ppl are bringing a negative mood to the BeOS-community :(
    I’m also concerned about the BeOS, but as most of you I get my money out of a job that doesn’t depends on BeOS. Currently BeOS is my “child”, I support it and I’m making noise for it. If everything goes k, I will introduce it to my boss for the company and I will also show him (and if it is only on a sheet of paper) the benefits of BeIA for some parts of the company. No I don’t give up until it’s over…………….

    As I said in my “last post?”

    Be, Inc., BeOS and all BeOS-devs:

    I love ya all :)

    Good credits are also going to:
    Zathros and Zaranthos :) they are really keeping the spirit alive!

    BeHappy :)

    LoCal

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LoCal @ 05/02/2001 6:24:02 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    agree.

    the community has been “givin up”-thing before…but soon there will be good news..i hope:)

    someone should do a beos-commercial ..somekind of a flashmovie-thing:) that would be cool.

    erhmm…its 7am..i should go to bed..

  20. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To H-kon @ 05/03/2001 03:00:48 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    I love you man. :^)

    But “here’s a little warning”. You will now be branded a mindless BeOS zealot hiding in a corner from reality. :^)

  21. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 05/03/2001 03:27:48 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    BeOS supports the hardware I use just fine. I have all the apps I need to use BeOS most of the time. I am networked with the whole world in BeOS right now. What exactly am I missing? I haven’t even used a small percentage of the stuff on BeBits. The point is BeOS is fun, I enjoy it, and even if it is “dead” it still is fun to use. I can switch to another OS anytime I want btw. I simply choose BeOS for the forseable future.

    BeOS lives as far as I’m concerned. For some people it was *never* able to do what they wanted so no big revelation there.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LoCal @ 05/03/2001 11:01:02 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    >>multimultimedia,

    > errmmm…..could you please be more specific?
    > Here your statement is wrong!
    Try playing an Mpeg in BeOS and in Linux or win, and
    you’ll see…

  23. H-kon Says:

    BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    Consider this a little “warning”.

    BeOS is not dead.

    If you all had the patience to wait just a little longer, all of this will be laughing stock.

    Have patience people, hang in there. We need you all now more than ever!

  24. Anonymous Says:

    sighs

    Thank you,

    I enjoyed the strip a great deal,

    best of luck in your future!

    A

  25. bkakes Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/02/2001 2:23:33 PM

    You’ve got to be kidding

    The BeOS was good in the R4.5 days because, as Nutcase and others have said, it was *growing*. I can’t imagine anyone saying it had everything it needed back then, nor could they say it now. It’s so pathetically myopic to say that a platform does all you will ever need; a computer is an evolving set of features.

    The BeOS is already way behind Win2k in networking, number of apps, drivers, multimedia, etc.; that’s a situation that’s only going to get worse. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: an undeveloped platform is a dead platform.

  26. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To H-kon @ 05/03/2001 03:00:48 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    Do you know something we don’t, H-Kon?

    :)

  27. LoCal Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 05/03/2001 03:27:48 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    >>The BeOS is already way behind Win2k in networking,

    BONE IS still in development!

    >number of apps,

    That has been true in R3, R4, R4.5 times.

    BeOS will maybe never have as many apps as Windoze. But Linux has also not as many apps as Windoze have, but Linuxers are not rioting

    >drivers,

    dito. ->replace apps with drivers

    >multimedia,

    errmmm…..could you please be more specific?
    Here your statement is wrong!

    >etc.;

    etc is not allowed here ;)

    that’s a situation that’s only going to get worse. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: an undeveloped platform is a dead platform.

    speaking the “untruth” twice doesn’t make it true!
    language is not math where - * - =

    I’m really why some ppl would pay $250 for an OS, that is bloated, $800 for a suite of apps while the only using 25% of it or $1200 for another app when they can get it much cheaper.

    Word.

    LoCal

  28. mlk Says:

    In Response To artslave @ 05/02/2001 5:03:37 PM

    Re: I don’t understand why you are quitting but TAK will be missed

    I did not want to get cought up in this, but ….
    I want a new computer. I want nice fast hardware, with top quality apps.
    Last year I though BeOS could give me this. GoBe was (and still is) a great suite, the problem is the OS has bugs that will never (no longer updated) be fixed.
    If the OS is not updated, GoBe will leave BeOS, then all the features I want in GoBe will never come.
    Heance I’m left with something that is no longer useful. Not becose it does less (apeart from the lack of hardware thing) but becoase stuff that has ben iratating me will not go away.

    I feel quite sick for saying that, as just a few weeks ago I would not of even though it. But unless Be Inc do something so then it’s the end. Time to buy a frame, put all my BeOS CD’s in.
    For though how still have some enthusasem left, good luck. I’ll be sticking around & porting any apps I write to BeOS. Hopefully in 6 months or so, Be Inc will be bought up either by the community, or by *insert big co here* and BeOS will live again.

    Ohh some other side notes:
    OpenGL was in BeOS r4.5 but only for 3Dfx, or was it just that 3Dfx thing in r4.5. I belive BeOS has had an OpenGL implementation from DR8 or something.
    Chris H how is NGE going? Whats your plans if BeOS goes belly up? Any chance you can release any toys your working on (if any) just for a laugh?
    Also, did you make a profit?
    Thanks TAK, it was a good commic.
    mlk (hanky at the ready :’-(

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 05:25:53 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    At least he knows that bitchin doesn’t help :)

    rain

  30. Solstice Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/02/2001 2:55:55 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    >If I was a web designer I would start my own BeNooze
    >and there are plenty of people who would be more than
    >happy to write news for free btw.

    Really, huh? Hmmmmm…. (Wheels spinning in head)

    -Solstice
    http://www.deninet.com

  31. Solstice Says:

    *pout*

    I’ll miss the Any Key, it was part of my regular regiment of bi-daily comix (megatokyo and neoBaka first on the list).

    Noticing how the comments are heading on this particular news item, I began to feel that I should put in my two cents:

    The BeOS is my favorite OS, but it’s not my only OS nor do I use it for everything. Between my PC and my Mac, I use four different system, Be, Linux, Windows, MacOS — each to their particular talent. I use BeOS for most all of my browsing, chat, and e-mail (the chat programs are sooo much better) as well as SDL development. Linux for Perl development and any terminal hacking I need to do. Windows, some gaming and most of my graphics — much like my Mac (which, if it wasn’t pre-G3 and stuck at 640×480, I would use _far_ more often).

    I don’t really think that someone should use one and only one OS for everything, it’s just too short-sided a pont of view. Even if hailed as a general purpose system, some do things better than other just because of the way it’s structured, the market that supports it, and the community which adors it.

    I’ve also noted something else, BeCodeTalk is still active, and hence people must still be writing software even if the larger names pass away. If we are angry at Be Inc., why not do something organized rather than just complaining and ranting on this forum and that. Why not one of us allocate some webspace and create a petition? I’m not sure if something like this exists or not, but I think it’s an idea worth exploring. We could collect contact information from the petitioners and create a formalized list of “demands”. This list should concider the possiblity of alternatives to keep the OS alive, open-sourcing non-licenced technologies and such. I’ll even offer the possible domain of http://beos.deninet.com and writing the signning system if this will help.

    Just a thought, now flame away. ;-)

  32. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To Solstice @ 05/03/2001 1:37:07 PM

    Oops

    You are making sence and for that you must die! :P PPP

  33. nodaclu Says:

    In Response To Solstice @ 05/03/2001 1:37:07 PM

    Re: *pout*

    I won’t flame….

    I’ve got an article in my head right now about this very topic.

    BOSC appears to be getting ready to finally gear up again.

    I also think H-kon is correct. He knows something we don’t. I can sense it. Don’t ask me how. I don’t know.

    Keep BeOSCentral in the back of your mind for the next few weeks. Check in once in a while. Watch for things to start happening.

    From the ashes, the Phoenix will rise.

    Nodaclu

  34. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 12:19:14 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    Try using Video LAN Client, tool.

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 11:30:23 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    yay!

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To H-kon @ 05/03/2001 03:00:48 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    Take your calculations out — the numbers don’t justify any surviving chance for Be Inc.

    Even ASSUMING that Be Inc. charges $50.00 per BeIA license to OEM customers (as in Gobe charges RETAIL $50.00 for BeOS) — even ASSUMING Sony eVilla is a total success and DOMINATES the worldwide IA market with a 99.9% market share.

    Actual worldwide IA shipments last year was 160,000 units — so 160,000 units x $50.00 = $8 million U.S.

    At $18 million U.S. burn rate ($1.5 million burn rate per month) — Be Inc. would still lose $10 million U.S. per year.

  37. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 05:25:53 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    Listen. This guy knows what he is talking about. I know too.

    Just wait. and STFU

  38. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 12:19:14 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    try dragging a frame out of a mpeg n’ saving it as a jpeg in windows or linux,try dropping a mpeg on monoview and pulling the replicant off it to make a moving wallpaper in windows or linux,oh that’s right they don’t even have anything like that,do they?try just clicking on a zip file,extracting it and and having the damn thing work pefectly on linux or even windows, for that matter!i’m not even going to get into the audio apps cause i’ve never seen anything that even comes close to beos in this aspect,these are the reasons i will continue to use and buy software for it for many years to come regardless if be inc. closes it’s doors tomorrow,if linux ever wants to be a contender for a mass media os they will have to get a whole hell of a lot more user friendly.
    on another note i’ve seen just about every windows app that costs a fortune to buy offered on the net for free as some kind of hacked or cracked version,so i would imagine if this could be done,some body could continue to develop beos and improve upon it on thier own without be inc.
    maybe i don’t get the big picture here,i drive a car but i don’t pretend to know how to build one,the same thing goes with a computer.
    if any of you geeks want to get some cool wallpaper for your beos desktops surf on over to www.webshots.com ,click on the users pages,type sasquatch666_ into the search for users space, hit go and enjoy!most were not made with beos tho,it still seems to be lacking in the drawing and painting app dept.artpaint is my favorite but i can’t find a live link to register it .

  39. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/03/2001 12:19:10 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    right on!one computer i have it on ,the usb keyboard won’t work ,the other one the soundcard won’t work but i still love it .it may not be perfect but the stuff i do with it works better than anything i’ve ever seen(sound apps mostly)
    and furthermore i will NOT buy one more computer or piece of hardware UNLESS it supports beos

  40. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 5:47:12 PM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    An IA shipped last year? Where? When I see a real one then I might buy it. Take your calculator out again, if 160,000 units shipped last year and nobody saw then then seeing one ship this year would mean sales will be at least double. All Be really has to do is show growth and investors will look twice their way.

  41. Zaranthos Says:

    In Response To nodaclu @ 05/03/2001 2:35:01 PM

    Re: *pout*

    BeOSCentral is my home page again. I deleted BeNews from my bookmarks. I’ll visit any site that supports BeOS and BeNews clearly doesn’t.

  42. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/03/2001 8:50:51 PM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    Gateway, 3Com and Compaq were the big three that ship last year. Gateway has AOL. Compaq has MSN. Even that — worldwide shipment of 160,000 units.

    Even if the market doubles this year to 320,000 units AND even if Sony captures 100% of the WORLDWIDE market — Be Inc. would still lose $2 million U.S. based on my previous model of selling $50.00 per BeIA licence

    THE MORE REALISTIC FINANCIAL MODEL

    If using the more reasonable price of $15.00 per licence — Be Inc. would have to sell 1.2 million licences of BeIA. ASSUMING that the BIG 4 competitors (QNX/Linux/BeIA/WinCE) each captures 25% of the market. Then the worldwide IA shipment has to be 4.8 million units for Be Inc. to just break even. A long way from 160,000 units of last year.

  43. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 9:16:03 PM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    The chances of getting more funding get’s bigger if BeIA turns out to be a sucess. Keep that in mind.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 11:12:10 PM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    Even if QNX, WinCE and Linux disappear tomorrow and BeIA rules the IA world — Be Inc. would rule a very very very small world, 160,000 units per year for the whole planet.

    Who would fund a company with a $18 million U.S. burn rate a year when the whole worldwide IA OS market (that’s QNX WinCE BeIA Linux combined) has a total of only $2-3 million U.S. in revenue. That’s the total amount for the whole pie (2-3 million dollars annual revenue) for QNX/WinCE/BeIA/Linux to split amoungst themselves.

  45. Solstice Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/03/2001 1:43:34 PM

    Re: Oops

    lol!!! Sorry about that.

  46. tpv Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/03/2001 8:57:12 PM

    Re: *pout*

    I guess you stay away from be.com nowdays then huh?

    But seriously, as much as BeNews has always been a little too serious for my likings, they do support BeOS, they just don’t see a future for it.
    There is a difference.

    BeOS is better than sliced bread, I think that, most of BeNews thinks that, even Be Inc thinks that, but none of us seriously expect that BeOS is going to be a contendor on people’s desktops in 6-12 months.

  47. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 7:57:43 PM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    Clickity click. PC Speaker Sound Driver. One problem solved. =)

  48. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/04/2001 00:46:35 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    you don’t what know the “total amount for the whole pie”
    will look like this year and next. There’s no point in arguing
    that, really. The 160000 figure you keep quoting again
    and again is pretty decent considering the products on which
    offerings were based. There’s no point in playing crystal
    ball from one POV or the other we will know soon enough.

  49. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/04/2001 00:46:35 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    > Even if QNX, WinCE and Linux disappear tomorrow
    > and BeIA rules the IA world — Be Inc. would
    > rule a very very very small world, 160,000 units
    > per year for the whole planet.

    The one thing your failing to take into account is market growth, last year the consumer market was barely aware of what an IA is, now after constant hype, especially at the trade shows we’re hearing more and more about IAs. There are heavy investments going into the IA market so clearly the industry things it’s going to be big. If Be can’t afford to keep running until they get some decent revenues then I’m sure someone out there is prepared to buy them.

    Sony are restucturing their company to focus on this emerging market so that would make an candidate for buying Be, but this ain’t the place to discuss that :-)

    Doug - BeEF (BeOS Educated Fan)

  50. cedricd Says:

    In Response To tpv @ 05/04/2001 04:16:19 AM

    Re: *pout*

    The real difference IMHO:
    The whole problem with BeNews stems from their incorporating
    I guess.. On the one hand this was a cool move and an
    expected one, as all old-timers from DRx days will tell, they
    eagerly expected the whole Be scene (OS, apps, even news sites)
    to get-out-in-the-wild-world, incorporate, start making
    profits (as JLG once said, start tranferring money from our customers
    pockets to ours).

    On the other hand, this ‘cultural move’ has been poorly handled
    by BeNews IMHO; let me splain: much of the criticisement
    from Be fans toward BeNews (or at least that’s the case for me) comes
    from their “generate traffic at any price” policy ever since. IN other
    words, they’ll dig up old news to generate banner hits, even
    if outdated, even if there’s nothing new, even if it was already in
    the headlines the week before ..etc They’ll probably not
    encourage flamewars in the forums but won’t do much to prevent
    them either (including by posting poorly written interpretations of
    official Be docu;ents) again to generate hits.

    I used to be so keen on BeNews.. before and shortly
    after their inc. Remember the BeNews extras? The one
    with the whole Be history in particular, with that scan
    of the DRx beta-program CD with a photo of DBG on it on
    the Be headquarters roof..

    Now BeGroovy fulfills my needs, it offers the same kind
    of services as BN so I fail to see why one would be too expensive
    to go on in the next to months and the other could
    still be paid for with next-to-no banner hits and be maintained
    by only Deek/Nutcase in place of a whole team of NewsCreat^H^H^H^H^Hhunters.

    If BN’s ISP is hideously more expensive then they should probably switch.
    That may get them less downtimes too.

  51. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 05/02/2001 2:36:47 PM

    Re: Only the good die young

    Bravo!

  52. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 05/04/2001 06:26:45 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    But the problem is that even the analyst quoted in the cnet article would not estimate this year’s worldwide market growth for IA’s.

    Banks/VC firms need to see some solid growth figures before they lend/invest money in Be Inc.

    This is not the go-go 90’s. There must be some reasonable prospect of profitability for Be Inc. in order for investors to put more money into this company. Uncertainty in the growth of this market is going to deter investors from keeping Be Inc. afloat.

  53. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/04/2001 06:38:22 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    I did indeed look at growth rate.

    If split equally among the big 4 competitors — each with 25% of the IA OS market. The IA market has to grow to 4.8 million unit a year before Be Inc. would break even.

    The only hype around the IA industry is Gateway rethinking their IA strategy and 3Com getting out the IA area all together.

  54. bkakes Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 7:46:15 PM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    (Note: I’m not going to defend Linux here, because I don’t like it)

    >try dragging a frame out of a mpeg n’ saving it as a jpeg in windows

    MPEGs play *far* better in Windows than in BeOS. Not only do you have smoother-looking video because of the hardware overlay, but the synconization issues that Be is plagued by aren’t there. Which is more important: being able to save a frame of video or being able to watch the video correctly? The same is true of most AVIs (try watching a DivX movie in BeOS and see how out-of-sync it gets over time, or heck, compare BeOS fullscreen video with Windows).

    >zip file

    Winzip has always worked perfectly for me, and the right-click “Expand to new folder” option is much more useful than Expander’s. Even the author of Squeezer said he wishes the BeOS had the correct underpinnings to allow that.

    >audio apps

    I’ll agree that audio is a little better under the BeOS, although in Windows I at least get to listen to it on all four of my speakers (SBLive!).

    >hacked versions

    You’re misinformed. A crack just changes a few bits of the program file to knock out the “Unregistered” message or something like that. There’s simply no way to write software in binary like that. For someone to continue the BeOS requires the source code, which only Be has.

  55. bkakes Says:

    In Response To Zaranthos @ 05/03/2001 12:19:10 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    >BeOS supports the hardware I use just fine

    You’re in the small, small, small minority, and you probably only got there by turning down functionality (i.e. not buying that new card, scanner, or whatnot just because it’s not supported).

    >I have all the apps I need to use BeOS most of the time

    So you’re saying you don’t do much with your computer and you go to a very select portion of web sites. That may be fine for you, but don’t expect all of us to limit ourselves in that manner…

    >I am networked with the whole world in BeOS right now.

    In BeOS, ssh-ing to a different computer over our 100Mbps link is slow, whereas in Windows it’s just as fast as typing on your own computer. Not cool…

    >For some people it was *never* able to do what they wanted so no big revelation there.

    The point, though, is that a developing system can GROW to do things people want to do. Being a “dead” system doesn’t mean all the hardware and software suddenly stops working, just as a dead body doesn’t disappear. It simply means it’s no longer growing at any appreciable rate.

    I really like the design of the BeOS, and I’ve been a user/developer since R3. Trust me, I have no desire to see it go. But all these posts are saying “it does everything I want,” which is, in my opinion, a short-sighted and naive remark. Yes, the BeOS can do everything you need at this point in time assuming you limit what you do severly, but then what’s the point? Why use a different system just to limit yourself? And when your needs change (what 1989 Mac user thought they’d need a TCP/IP stack?), the system won’t be growing to accomodate you.

  56. bkakes Says:

    In Response To LoCal @ 05/03/2001 11:01:02 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    >BONE IS still in development!

    BONE is not out, and we don’t know if it ever will ship. So my statement is completely accurate: “The BeOS is already way behind Win2k in networking.” It’s possible the BeOS may catch up one day, but it’s certainly not guaranteed, and you’ll be using an inferior networking system in the meantime. The same logic could be used to say “Why ever use BeOS? Windows will catch up eventually!”

    >but Linuxers are not rioting

    Of course not, because Linux is still being developed.

    >multimedia; be more specific?

    Sure. Play movies under the BeOS and then under Windows. Be sure to try fullscreen mode, too, so you can see the difference hardware overlay makes. Oh, and be sure to go at least 20 minutes or so into a DivX movie or an MPEG to watch MediaPlayer get horribly out of sync.

    >speaking the “untruth” twice doesn’t make it true!

    Nowhere in your post have you come even close to refuting the statement. But I’ll play your game. If an undeveloped platform isn’t a “dead” platform, what is? When your computer disappears? How do you define “dead”?

    >I’m really why some ppl would pay $250 for an OS, that is bloated, $800 for a suite of apps while the only using 25% of it

    It’s so easy to wallow in self-denial and say, “it’s bloated” like that has the slightest bearing on anything. Well, here are some facts. Windows 2000 is more stable, robust, supported, and feature-rich than the BeOS is, and unless someone picks up the BeOS development, that’s never going to change.

    You wonder why someone would pay $800 for an application and only use 25% of it, yet you want people to use the BeOS, which can only utilize a small fraction of their $1500 computer. Interesting logic…

  57. bkakes Says:

    In Response To H-kon @ 05/03/2001 03:00:48 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    I’m really, really not trying to be a downer, but we’ve all had patience for a year and a half since the release of R5 to see any proof whatsoever of continued BeOS development that will be released (yes, we have betas of BONE/OpenGL/new MediaKit, but no assurances of their public release). How patient do you expect people to be, especially with no official word from Be, and Be engineers saying there will probably never be another major update to the BeOS?

  58. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To mlk @ 05/03/2001 11:27:04 AM

    Re: I don’t understand why you are quitting but TAK will be missed

    I think if Be comes out some day and says “That’s it. We’re going fishing” I’ma cry. :~( I love this OS, so I’m going to go down fighting. But hopefully, it’ll see an r6 with BONE and OpenGL and all that.. and then the economy will take a turn for the better and give Be a fighting chance too. Maybe it’s unrealistic and optimistic to a fault, but hey.. what else am I gonna do with that 3G partition?

    -SirNickity

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/04/2001 10:12:04 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    .. and this is just for IA’s. How many portable MP3 players were sold last year? How many HOME MP3 racks (think: CD player, turntable, etc, only with MP3 decoding) have hit the market this last year? That’s just one potential use. Palm Pilots.. how many of THOSE sell a year? Web tablets will be more useful when LCD prices finally fall from the stratosphere. There are so many possible uses for pieces of or complete BeIA. Be’s shifted focus once, they can do it again. Clarion’s AutoPC uses WinCE.. Sony makes audio stuff for cars.. hmmm

    JLG started an OS company with top-notch engineers and made it through all KINDS of hell — mortgaging his own HOUSE to pay the employees — I’m sure he would not have gone into the IA market seeing total losses on the horizon. They have something up their sleeves, and will look for anything that can sustain them. You like BeOS? It’s THEIR baby. They have more love for it than (apparently) the entire BeOS community put together. Financial responsibility is one thing, but you can bet your ass they’ll continue dev on BeOS the minute they are assured of survival.

    Be Inc does not give up, unlike the some OTHER people I know . . . . *looks sternly at the dozens of quitters of late*

    -SirNickity

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/06/2001 08:08:55 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    BeOS/BeIA is not even designed to operate in PDA’s and other things that you mentioned — it does not even run in SH4/MIPS/ARM/StrongARM.

    Another focus shift — too little too late.

    How many mp3 portable players are making money for their manufacturers — none — that is another dead-end market.

  61. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LoCal @ 05/03/2001 11:01:02 AM

    Re: You’ve got to be kidding

    All the people advocating BeOS as THE audio platform are either lying or, more probably, don’t really know what they’re talking about.

    BeOS was once terrific with an output latency 512 samples (11ms at 48KHz) with Layla (www.Echoaudio.com) and STUDI/O (www.Sonorus.com) drivers but :

    1) layla driver was half rotten. recordinf pops and clicks too often. ok it takes time to work out these problems but since the combined user base of (Layla && BeOS) must be a handful of people, Echo switched to more interesting tasks. I don’t know for STUDI/O because I don’t have one. I assume it is ok. Anyone can confirm ?

    2) Win2k : RME (www.rme-audio.de) Hammerfall ASIO driver. OUTPUT LATENCY : ROCK SOLID AT 256 SAMPLES/BUFFER… Layla : ok at 256 samples, ROCK SOLID at 512. SO STOP TELLING EVERYONE BEOS IS CLEARLY BETTER FOR AUDIO. THIS IS NO LONGER TRUE.

    BeOS and Win2k are on par from a kernel scheduling performance point of view (IRQ/user mode delay).

    BeOS advantage : doesn’t need hundreds Mb of RAM , several Gb of disk space and 12 minutes to boot.

    Win2K advantage : lets you choose between more than 2 audio interface brands. actually has working drivers and applications to use them.

    Sorry for shouting out loud but I needed to make things clear.

    And, BTW, I agree Win2k or MacOS X need a lightweight multimedia player they don’t have. It may be fun to fool yourself comparing MediaPlayer with QT or WMP but these are different beasts.

    I agree BeOS is really great as a bare OS and has some clear advantages over heavier Oses but it’s no longer the silver bullet of audio software.

    Benjamin Golinvaux
    Arboretum Systems, Inc.
    www.arboretum.com

  62. Anonymous Says:

    A semi-slow growing spineless community, that is…

    If anyone hasn’t noticed the pitiful excuse for a usenet group, comp.sys.be.misc, lately, they really should visit it some day. What you’ll find is 4 to 5 arrogant, ignorant, overzealous assholes telling, at times demanding, people to leave simply because they voice criticism of Be Management.

    The “community” better start policing itself and putting the “oppressors” in their place. Over the past year or so, I’ve seen many ‘a long time Be supporter be driven from the community over the slightest questioning of Be. All the while, the rest of the group is either in ignorant agreement, or too spineless to open their mouths.

    Wake up people, *you’re* killing the community, directly, if you’re the 4 or 5 zealots with delusions of grandeur, or indirectly, if you’re the rest of the community allowing valuable people to be driven away.

    Sorry, this has nothing to do with the termination of “the any key”, I just had to get it off my chest. I now wait with anticipation to see how quickly people disregard what I’ve said and begin the very act which I’ve tried to bring to light as a growing cancer in the community.

  63. tpv Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 05/03/2001 05:25:53 AM

    Re: BeOS IS NOT DEAD!

    Even if he does know something, anyone who’s been around long enough will know that “Be’s great chance” has always been just around the corner.

    I remember the (then) Be web/listmaster stating that “Be was going to own the audio market”.
    It could have, it should have, it didn’t.

    No matter what H-Kon does/n’t know, nothing is certain about Be’s future, no great up-coming event can be guaranteed to save BeOS, and only a gold-mine’s a gold-mine.

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