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Qubit drops BeIA as it’s appliance platform

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Posted by:Ryan on Tuesday, 03 Apr, 2001 @ 6:43 PM
 
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Qubit has dropped BeIA as the platform for their net appliances, and moved to Windows CE 3.0, according to IA Zone. This is a confirmation of rumors that have been circulating for a while, and is just another of the not-so-good things that have happened in the past week. For other views on the IA field, have a look at this article on yahoo, about why IAs failed, and this C|Net article on the Be Inc layoffs and IA problems.



61 Responses to “Qubit drops BeIA as it’s appliance platform”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    Bad news…

    I hope things will go better for Be & their partners in the future. Qubit has being like a sister company for Be, I am sad to see them go.

  2. Jason Says:

    Qubit.NET no Qubit.COM

    Your link is to qubit.com Thats some crazy site…

  3. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 7:00:36 PM

    Re: Bad news…

    I will miss Qubit also. They’ve been with Be since the refocus and have stuck by Be the last couple of years until now. I was looking forward to my BeIA “Orbit” and “Atom”
    It’s extremely unfortunate Qubit and Be couldn’t find a way work things out.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    It’s www.qubit.net

  5. Banzai51 Says:

    Fini

    It’s over.

    :(

  6. LeftTurn Says:

    Shoot…

    That is not good news. I sure hope the bleeding stops soon. It’s starting to become real difficult to hold on to a positive outlook for Be and BeOS. I’m still trying though :)

  7. gmlongo Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 04/03/2001 9:11:00 PM

    Re: Shoot…

    I am also trying to keep a positive outlook, but I’m am growing more and more concerned. Without a huge turn of events, I will need to move on and find another OS. I guess we just need to sit it out for a few more months and see what Be has up their sleeve.

    -G

  8. jchildrose Says:

    Another nail in the coffin….

    So Be officially is down to National Semiconductor and their OEM reference platforms, and Sony with teir delayed eVilla, if I’m not mistaken.

    This is not good, people. Not good at all. Let’s hope the community can convince Be to open source the OS. I’d really hate to see be go down, but the loss of this OS would be one of the worst things to happen to the computer industry, IMO.

  9. Zippy Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 08:51:13 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    If anyone posts anything like “Yeah, it’s April and you’re all a bunch a fools”, I’ll track you down like the dog you really are.

    ;)

    BTW, sorry to hear about your predicament Deej. Welcome to the unemployment club. It really does suck.

  10. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    interesting that just yesterday Gnome 1.4 was released. any idea when the first distro includes it? I guess I need to buy one…

  11. Anonymous Says:

    Optimism?

    We’re nearly at rock bottom. NASDAQ is crazy, as is the LSE, and Be Inc has fielded some pretty awful body blows. But look at what they’ve got:
    1) A world class product, not just BeIA but a great OS.
    2) A large licensee.
    3) Talented staff.
    4) A creative and involved userbase.

    I believe in what Be are doing. I believe that internet appliances need to both look good and work good. A cheap, internet-centric mini PC seems a good idea for me, and I will be buying one. If anything I think they are ahead of their time since broadband hasn’t got huge penetration yet, but that will happen, and the eVilla and whatever else should (market conditions permitting!) be there to show everyone the way to make a useable device for all the family.

    Regarding the layoffs, business is business. You don’t ’suddenly run out of money’. You predict when that point will come and make the run up to it slower, and that’s what Be appears to be doing in the best way possible for their medium term prosperity - losing the sales and marketing team and all non-vital staff. The payoffs will hit their short term capital but they’re laying a medium term path here, which will presumably take them well past the Sony device ship and hopefully to the point where they’re making money from it.

    The Qubit thing is a bummer, but there are bound to be casualities of this insecure time. Qubit are just minimising their risk. Fair enough.

    Am I talking crap?

    (this is not intended to be anonymous, you can email me as redpola at hotmail.com)

  12. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    And the hits just keep on coming!

    I don’t know how much more of this I can take. :-(

  13. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Wait a minute… this is all still an April Fool’s joke… right? RIGHT?!?

  14. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 01:41:06 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Go visit the Gnome website and read all the “exciting” comments about the new 1.4 release… a fine of example of how Open Source leads to quality software. Assuming, of course, that you consider bloated, slow, and (more importantly) buggy to be the same as “quality”.

    - chrish

  15. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 06:28:47 AM

    Re: Optimism?

    One problem with the large licensee is that they don’t start selling units until around when Be is predicting they’ll run out of cash… unless the agreement is to pay early, Be may run out of money before they’re able to collect anything Sony owes them for the eVilla.

    This is similar to what happened with Looking Glass Studios going bankrupt shortly after releasing a major success, Thief II: The Metal Age. They weren’t able to continue operating long enough to collect any revenues from sales of Thief II.

    - chrish

  16. sasskitten Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 06:28:47 AM

    Re: Optimism?

    Purely hypothetical, but tell me how it sounds…
    JLG doesn’t want to see BeOS die, obviously, and neither do any of us… it’s a woderful OS (best I’ve used) and has a lot to offer not just the PC Geek, but the appliance market… Someone else knows this and wants to buy Be… someone JLG doesn’t mind selling to…(Sony?).
    What is that company gonna do? They’re gonna tell Be to ‘trim the fat’ maybe to eliminate employees they won’t be needing (i.e. the marketing and so forth that did lose their jobs may not be needed if this ‘other company’ is taking over things)
    Why do you suppose this other compaqny would want to buy Be? Glad you asked! Perhaps this other company is in the appliance market (which may be why they need to lose the ‘competition’ like Qubit) and would love to develop Be both as an OS and as an appliance (they may be better prepared for it). So I guess all we wait for is the dollar to drop so the price is right… IT COULD HAPPEN!

  17. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 08:51:13 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    /me trying to find another job is _not_ an april’s fools joke. :(

    So everyone knows, it’s deej at beunited.org now, my old address doesn’t work.

    More later as I am able.

    Deej

  18. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 11:19:25 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    wtf? Were you working for Be Europe?

  19. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 1:00:11 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Deej was The Be Guy (picture The Bumblebee Man from The Simpsons :-) at Qubit…

    Best of luck Deej!

    - chrish

  20. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 11:19:25 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Sorry about that deej!

    Can you tell us something about ‘application subleties’ of BeIA that the article was talking about?!

  21. georges Says:

    In Response To jchildrose @ 04/03/2001 11:57:28 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    For the last goddamn time Be CANNOT OPENSOURCE THE OS. It is an impossibility.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/04/2001 2:37:28 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    Then they should rip the code apart, take everything out that cannot be open-sourced and then release the rest under the GPL, for Christ’s sake. They _should_ do it _for_ the commmunity. I cannot stand the thought that the BeOS code rots in hell —

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 04/04/2001 09:44:28 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    atleast there is development going on though unlike for some other OS =)

  24. Anonymous Says:

    So what will you guys do?

    I fully expect Be Inc. to cease all operations and shut down by June. (that is, after all, when they will run out of money.)

    No one is going to buy Be Inc and it’s $95 million of debt. BeOS will not be open sourced since it’s got RSA, Real Player, and a whole bunch of other proprietary code involved.

    IA’s are/were flopping as I predicted nearly 18 months ago. Sony has delayed the eVilla for uknown reasons.

    So what does BeGroovy do?? When it happens, what will you guys focus on?

  25. Zippy Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 2:56:53 PM

    Re: So what will you guys do?

    So when July 1st comes around (as it is wont to) and Be Inc. is still in operation, are we allowed to roundly troutslap you for this prediction? Not that we can easily get a hold of you for the slapping, Mr. Anonymous…

  26. Sascha Offe Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 2:56:53 PM

    Re: So what will you guys do?

    > IA’s are/were flopping as I predicted
    > nearly 18 months ago.

    Yes, now I remember: There was a poster named “Anonymous” on one of the forums at that time who claimed that IAs would become a flop. So that one is/was you? ;-)

  27. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 11:19:25 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    oh crap.. it makes the news even more depressing…
    hope you find another job quickly Deej.

    [sigh] even more than the ‘major bad news’ it’s a lot
    a little bad signs like this that hit my morale.. wonder what happened to RiV.

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 2:56:53 PM

    Re: So what will you guys do?

    Samab? Copperwire? Luposian?

  29. gabbarsingh Says:

    Smart thinking by Qubit

    Qubit was smart enough to not put all their eggs in the same basket. They blazed trail with BeIA but had a contingency plan with WinCE.

    As much as we despise M$ and Winblows, WinCE is a different thing altogether. The Wintel platform as we know today is dictated by IBM’s PC arch. 20 years ago. There is very less M$ could do to alter the arch. as the market dynamics dictated. Please note, if M$ stood to benefit from a different arch. (not necessarily better) they would have done it. WinCE has Windows interface, and ‘intimacy’ with the desktop version, however the current version is 3.x. It was miserable when it was 1.x - 2.x, however after that they retooled everything. Support for StrongARM, strong developer base, enterprise support (database clients, native drivers), above all access to information for developers and currently shipping products. In it’s third incarnation, the iPaq/jornada/cassopeia sales have overtaken Palm sales. People want better experience, quality and are willing to pay for it.

    Sales to enterprise customers are more likely to happen. e.g. FedEx, UPS, insurance adjusters, hospitals etc. Make no mistake, the WinCE is aimed squarely at increasing Windows NT sales on the server side. Because the database support is for SQLServer. I’m sure it can access Oracle etc. over ODBC, but Oracle recommends Solaric/SPARC and M$/Dell/Compaq are going to provide cheap h/w, NT, support and WinCE (’tommorrows technology, today’).

    While M$ is very open with it’s developer support, specs etc., Be Inc. decided to hush up everything, partner with people who mattered and prove their technical superiority. I’m sure they have been able to accomplish most of it (Sony/Opera/Ricochet/National Semiconductor), the fact remains that there are less no. of developers today for BeOS and consequently BeIA (the kernel, servers, kits paradigm is the same I guess), there’s more FUD, more outrage. The reason IBM and likes are adopting linux is because they can pickup lot of apps really cheap. And Be Inc. decided to be ‘closed’. Instead of inviting developers and strengthening it’s base, it decided to shoo/piss them off in the name of NDA/secrecy/competitive edge etc. Someone came up with the logic that less BeOS users and developers is better for BeIA. The cornerstone of BeIA is the web browser. Web browsing has to be the best possible experience available, no matter what platform. But some genius at Be/Opera thought that more users i.e. more testing is not a good idea, let’s just test it between ourselves, why do we need actual user feedback. BeOS is used by musicians/artist as well, why would their input be important. While WinCE got thrashed out there.

    I have used an iPaq, it feels solid, responsive, useful. The movie player (Windows Media preferred), image viewer, PocketOffice, Internet Explorer feel responsive and robust. I bet they have put in a lot of work into it. Many factors favor WinCE at this time. Enterprise support (databases, XML), the basic platform is good (PocketOffice, e-mail, web browser), good h/w support (StrongARM etc), proven platform - products are shipping today. Qubit did very good. Instead of laying off, they are off to building and hopefully they will be a great IA company because they are flexible, smart, can move fast and respond to customer needs. Be Inc. can build great technology but cannot close the deal. They think of themselves as Ferrari. We are ‘Be Inc.’, we will do whatever suits us, we have the technology. The world unfortunately doesn’t hold them in that high esteem.

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To sasskitten @ 04/04/2001 11:07:26 AM

    Re: Optimism?

    And even PR-company about financial troubles may follow same goals. If someone wanna to buy Be now, it must also retake Be’s passives (about $ 90 000 000 ). With fine and smart bankruptcy procedure, new owner can obtain Be’s IP and best workforce with minimal debt obligations.

    So it may be kinda agreement with potential new owner about such operation.

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Sascha Offe @ 04/04/2001 4:31:12 PM

    Re: So what will you guys do?

    :)

    Honestly, I did write a short essay on this very topic in November of 99, about 4 months after I was blessed to start using BeOS.

    No one read it, but I feel proud that my initial predictions have come true- ala Yahoo article on IA’s.

  32. koko64 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 2:55:46 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    We have an entire forum for OS Wars. Take your comments relating to this there!

  33. Banzai51 Says:

    In Response To gabbarsingh @ 04/04/2001 5:25:35 PM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    Don’t forget that WinCE also has a Citrix client. So you can have full powered apps on beefy servers running (wireless?) to the ultimate thin-client: the handheld.

  34. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To gabbarsingh @ 04/04/2001 5:25:35 PM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    Hey, I hold Ferrari’s in high esteem! :P

    But you are very close… ;)

  35. jchildrose Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 2:52:16 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    Exactly my point. We all know ther’s licensed code in there. Be can pull it out, and open source the rest of the code. While what’s left may not compile, I’m sure all the BeOS developers, as well as the Linux and *BSD crowd, will rectify that situation within a matter of weeks.

    Plus, it seems to me to be the only way we’ll ever get multiuser, or decent networking.

  36. gabbarsingh Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 9:14:50 PM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    General populace sticks Ferrari posters on walls and drives American/Japanese cars. That’s what we may end up doing. Posters of Be/BeOS on our walls/wallpaper and use Winblows and curse every minute of it.

    And Ferrari is pretty realistic about itself - “we are a race car company”. And Ferraris don’t come in two dozen options - “here’s the car and shut up”. While Be wants to make an Accord/Civic/Camry - a no nonsense sedan, low maintainence, just does the job with the attitude of Ferrari and thus the result is worse than Korean cars. Even Korean cars makers know what/where they want to sell and close the deal.

  37. gabbarsingh Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 11:19:25 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Aww Deej man, sorry about that. Man of your talents will find a better opportunity soon.

    Good luck!

  38. Anonymous Says:

    An act of despairation

    Why oh why does the world have to be such a wierd place…
    BeOS is probably the most awesome OS I have ever had the pleasure to use, and I think that a lot of poeple share this feeling. Then why is it dying, because it relly looks like it is??
    If Be Inc. goes down somebody just have to steel the source to BeOS (because they won’t opensource it as there is a lot of other commercial software included, RSA and so fourth.
    Why steel the source then?
    Well, so BeOS can live on and envolve into something marvelous.

    Anyone into hacking?
    If all else fails PLEASE get it done.

  39. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 2:52:16 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    Releasing an incomplete, can’t-be-built-and-used product as Open Source worked wonders for Netscape, didn’t it. It’s what, three years now and we still don’t really have a complete OSS release of the new Navigator?

    - chrish

  40. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Banzai51 @ 04/04/2001 8:29:51 PM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    You don’t need Wince to get an ICA client; QNX has one running on QNX 4 and (AFAIK) QNX Realtime Platform (or whatever it’s been renamed to). You do need some $$$ for a license and for porting the software though.

    - chrish

  41. gmlongo Says:

    In Response To gabbarsingh @ 04/05/2001 01:44:05 AM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    At least the general populace has heard of Ferrari and are aware of what they offer. The same cannot be said about Be. I work in a large computer company, and I have yet to find one other person who has even heard the name BeOS. How did they expect to make money without letting people know what BeOS can do?

    -G

  42. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 2:52:16 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    For the COMMUNITY??!! You could not be more delusional. You could try, but you would fail. I’ve only been using BeOS for about a year now. It’s a great OS and I use it almost exclusively. I’ve seen nothing in this time that indicates that Be gives two s*&ts about “the beos community”. Even their press releases start with “Internet software maker Be Inc.”. When you go to be.com, there are a few words saying “we also make an OS”. This says to me that they’ve all but given up on BeOS. When I started using it, It looked like they were generating interest from software makers who could really help push them forward. Then just at that moment, they “shifted focus” thus alienating these software makers. Just as the OS was looked like it was being taken seriously, they all but drop it like a turd and chase the pot of gold at the end of the internet rainbow. We’re witnessing now where that rainbow leads. BeOS is a very impressive operating system, but I’ve been anything but impressed by Be as a company.

  43. sasskitten Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 5:37:03 PM

    Re: Optimism?

    AMEN!

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To gmlongo @ 04/05/2001 2:12:34 PM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    Which one is that? Maybe we work in the same company.. in which case you would have found one person who heared of BeOS :)

  45. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/05/2001 5:36:54 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    I wrote this around early March.

    Do you get the feeling that BE is distancing itself away from the software
    that many developers created?

    BE makes it very difficult to find software links on the Be site
    Be is in aggressive pursuit of its set top appliance which dominates
    every page.

    I gather that the mentality of Be is rather unusual, perhaps that is what
    made it a good OS. Never-the-less, that mindset can become lethal. Not linking
    software in the most obvious place leaves most visitors with the question,
    “Why should I get BE.” What is most likely the perception of a new visitor
    visiting the Be site? “What is it, a bird a plane, oh its an
    appliance.”

    Some of the developers I e-mailed have similar responses (by the way, they are now focusing on Windows). Why Be
    doesn’t link Bebits on their home page rather they place a link in some obscured corner of the site?

    At Be, eccentricity ( with the Be appliance), poor management and short
    vision has brought a promising OS and a community at a disparity. Users loyalty
    may continue to keep alive orphaned OSes, but this gate on this has
    closed.

    The site has become more of the “Hall of Famous” starring the famous Jean-Louis Gassee (with photo of course) and the showcase on how life can be with BEIA. One
    may ask, “How useful is BEIA to me?”

    Product is a result of people. A teams creativity is the product. The people who determine the philosophical values and functions of a product change the product’s future. When one ask themselves why would there be interest in an OS which seemingly has no software? An OS which has
    become an internet OS. Although there is software, this is perceived when visiting the Be site. Be has sabotaged the years of work and the Be community.

    The greatest disparity is, we get “knee deep” in an operating system and the applications and then it vanishes.

    Poor management, short vision and inflated egos does little for anything.

    rick blanka

  46. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/06/2001 05:36:12 AM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    And this is the company that’s just fired their marketing staff?

    Come ot think of it, they might as well, they haven’t done much good so far.

  47. DrB Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 04/05/2001 09:42:17 AM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    ah come on…

    you know that they had to practically start from scratch with mozilla. all the code for 4.x was crap. they had all sorts of browser specific tags and rendering stuff.

    either way, i think that be has shown through opentracker that it is willing and able to open source what it can.

    and in the works of miracle max, “he’s only MOSTLY dead.” be’s not dead yet.

  48. DrB Says:

    article

    the thing that bugs me about the article is that the writer (alice hill) is basing almost all of her opinion on the Audrey.

    She writes, ” Consider the success of the Palm Pilot, ironically from the makers of the Audrey.” Anyone know who the ORIGINAL makers of the Palm Pilot are? That’s right, the people in charge of Handspring. THEY created the Palm Pilot. 3Com bought USRobotics, which had in turn bought Palm Computing. The reason I point this out is that she does not give any other examples of IAs, which would indicate that she was sounding the death knell of an entire market of products that she had used just one of. That is not responsible journalism in my book.

    She is right about somethings. Marketing and product placement is where it’s at. And by product placement, I mean price/performance. IAs have to be cheap. You have to be able to get them at Radio Shack. They cannot cost more than a, dare I speak the name… Packard Bell would.

    The other thing is that they do have to be wireless. I will not run Cat5 to my kitchen. I just won’t. I could… but I won’t. OK, maybe I will, but there better be a damn good reason. Either way, consumer goods should not need lots of wiring. How many readers have to help out when a new vcr is installed? You get the point.

  49. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/04/2001 5:18:01 PM

    Re: So what will you guys do?

    Zaranthos? Lefman?

  50. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To DrB @ 04/07/2001 09:49:51 AM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    Yes, but if we put air in and press the chest, what does it say? True Love? :P

    Deej

  51. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/05/2001 5:36:54 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    This is the most intelligent statement I have seen on these posts. BEOS is great, but Be inc. is a bunch of knuckleheads. The reason BEOS was good is that is was not open source, but a “real” OS made by real programmers. I know this will draw some ire, but open source has not proved to be a viable business model for anything. And even Be themselves have said the OS cannot and will not be open source, so why is it continually brought up?

  52. Anonymous Says:

    BeNews out

    Can’t reach BeNews. Nameservers are down!

    What’s going on????

  53. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    ..as my Matrox G400 and Promise Ultra100 card crash Win 2k for the last time.. I boot into BeOS 5 only to see this last blow to Be. Set top boxes are a pipe dream. Be was getting support from book stores and CompUSA.. then they blew it and went for BeIA.. woohoo! Which translated into zero support for the desktop and zero new apps.. which BeOS needed badly.. and now things aren’t going so well, awww. If BeOS wasn’t simply the best OS I’ve ever used.. I’d be happy to see Be pay for its mistakes.

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To gabbarsingh @ 04/05/2001 01:44:05 AM

    Re: Smart thinking by Qubit

    And don’t bother haggling. I tried to haggle down the price of a 550 Maranello. I offered $50K, hoping they’d bite. They told me to get out. So I said $60K. They glared at me. Then I started going up in one dollar increments. “61? How about 62? 63? 64?” After three hours of following the manager around he gets two mechanics to help me out. I walked out of the dealership with a really nice titanium lug wrench wedged between my butt cheeks.

  55. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To gmlongo @ 04/03/2001 9:52:36 PM

    Re: Shoot…

    Judging by Be’s past history, I can make a fairly good prediction of what they have up their sleeve. An arm. Going further, I’m willing to say that they have a maximum of two sleeves, which means two arms. Unless they own a chilly octopus, then that number can go up quite a bit. That’s a lot of arms.

  56. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/05/2001 03:47:45 AM

    Re: An act of despairation

    I say we go back to using GEM. We can load it up and run Ventura Publisher, or whatever it was that was the only app written for it. Well, the PC version anyway. There was a lot of stuff written for the Atari ST version.

  57. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To DrB @ 04/07/2001 11:24:15 AM

    Re: article

    I went on a job once, to wire up some servers. I looked at their LAN cable, and it had “CAT V” printed on it. I’m like, “This is no good. I need CAT 5, not CAT V.” I kept asking around for CAT 5, and all I got was blank looks.

    One wiseguy said it was Roman. I’m like, “Hey, buy American next time, right?”

  58. Anonymous Says:

    A first rate idea

    I have had an epiphany. Not to be confused with having a Tiffany, although Lord knows I tried. She’s probably a lesbian.

    Anyway, after seeing how people react to different things related to BeOS I have come up with an idea that is so brilliant you’ll go blind.

    I’ve watched how folks are willing to throw down $20 or so on products that will never come out on BeOS. These same people cry and carry on like babies when they find out they have to pay $12 dollars for a Macromedia Flash player they can download and register right away.

    So here’s my idea. Take up a collection and buy Be Inc. It shouldn’t take much. Just go up to the board, nod knowingly, mention “IA” a few times while shaking your head at the latest stock prices in the newspaper. Offer $100 and we should have the whole enchilada.

    Then we get throw together some cheap computers. Dual Celerons or something. Anything to keep the price down. Then we start the marketing blitz. It means a bunch of us will have to hang outside of stores like CompUSA and PC Whorehouse. I imagine it would go like this:

    Hang outside of CompUSA. Look for an old guy carrying a Hewlett-Packard computer into the store.

    NewBeMarketer: You bringing that thing in for repairs?
    OldGeezer: Er, yeah. It stopped working again.
    NBM: Pfft. If you wanna get screwed, I know a good massage parlour down the street [Note: if you nab an old lady you can try suggesting to be her gigolo; chances are she’ll be carrying her social security check on her and you’ll just have to imagine that she’s hot for a few seconds.].
    OG:What?
    NBM: You running Windows on that thing?
    OG:[Looks confused at the box in his hands, see’s the Windows logo and “Made for Windows 98″ written on a sticker]Yeah, I think so.
    NBM: Hah. What do you do with that thing? Check your email for pictures of the grandkids?
    OG: [Nods]
    NBM: Then the ungrateful bastards send you pictures of them with virus’ attached right? You can’t get away from those virus’ you know. Especially in Windows. It attracts them. In fact, the whole computer is geared towards making virus’ easier to catch. You know why?
    OG: [Shakes his head]
    NBM: [Points thumb over behind him/her] How many times have you brought that thing in so far?
    OG: Oh, four or five I suppose.
    NBM: That’s a lot of cash. What would you say if I told you that I could hook you up with a device that could let you get your email of the grandkids with their fingers up their noses and surf the web for pr0n, without the worry of getting a virus?
    OG: Well, sounds good except for the pr0n. I’m not sure…
    NBM: Right, I forgot, you old guys are more into Old School porn. So what do you say? And get this, your tatty thing there only has one processor. This one will have _two_ [Note: try and inflect the underlines really well]
    OG: [confused] Is that good?
    NBM: Is that good! Don’t you think if you bought a car with two engines it would be twice as fast?
    OG: Er, actually wouldn’t it be heavier…
    NBM: Look, stop wasting my time. Do you want a worry-free email checker or not?
    OG: I.. I… Is it expensive?
    NBM: Not nearly as expensive as bringing your current setup here every other week.
    OG: I’m not sure.
    NBM: I’ll let you in on a little secret. It’s important you don’t tell anyone else about this. This gizmo is only supposed to let you do your email and surfing, but the secret is… You can download other programs from the internet and run them.
    OG: You mean I can run things other than email and Internet Explorer?
    NBM: Shhh! Idiot! I told you to keep it down. Yes. That’s exactly right. With no virus’.
    OG: You talk a mean and clever line, my friend. You’ve got me sold.

    Voila! A sale. Guy thinks he’s getting a simple internet appliance with a secret method of running other things! Perfect. If you want, take his old computer as a trade-in and auction it off on eBay for a nifty profit.

    After we sell a few of those we can afford some real marketing. Remember Intel with their “Bunnymen” dolls? How about if we pay JLG for the rights to his likeness and release JLG dolls with neon nipples? Toss a few of those in Spencer’s and we’ll be rolling in it.

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/05/2001 03:47:45 AM

    Re: An act of despairation

    “Why oh why does the world have to be such a wierd place…
    BeOS is probably the most awesome OS I have ever had the pleasure to use, and I think that a lot of poeple share this feeling. Then why is it dying, because it relly looks like it is??”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–
    Why is it dying? simple. Be doesn’t come across as wanting to promote the desktop OS, wanting to give it life. They screwed their developers, and who’s to say they won’t go ahead and screw anyone that buys into their IA line? You can only go so far before people stop believing in you.

    In short, Be can’t market for shit. They don’t know what it’s like to build relationships and trust. They don’t know the effects of their ‘focus shift’ and they simply don’t know what’s coming to them. All the tech in the world isn’t gonna save a company that can’t make people believe in them.

    I said this March last year, and I’ll say it again. The focus shift was/is bad, bad news…

  60. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/15/2001 3:35:36 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    “Be was getting support from book stores and CompUSA.. then they blew it and went for BeIA.. ”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~—
    Not to mention Steinberg/Emagic, etc. Things were really buzzing with 4.5. It was an exciting time. They definitely blew it, though most Be zealots didn’t wanna believe it at the time.

  61. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/05/2001 5:36:54 PM

    Re: Another nail in the coffin….

    “For the COMMUNITY??!! You could not be more delusional. You could try, but you would fail. I’ve only been using BeOS for about a year now. It’s a great OS and I use it almost exclusively. I’ve seen nothing in this time that indicates that Be gives two s*&ts about “the beos community”.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Bin-fucken-go. Bingo.

    “Even their press releases start with “Internet software maker Be Inc.”. When you go to be.com, there are a few words saying “we also make an OS”.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~—
    Yeah, I can see heaps of developers developing for BeOS with that vote of confidence….

    “This says to me that they’ve all but given up on BeOS.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-
    Yep, you and millions of other sane, level-headed folk not stuck in BeOS delusions.

    “When I started using it, It looked like they were generating interest from software makers who could really help push them forward. ”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–
    Yep, definitely. Things were buzzing. Really buzzing. It was an exciting time…

    “Then just at that moment, they “shifted focus” thus alienating these software makers. Just as the OS was looked like it was being taken seriously, they all but drop it like a turd and chase the pot of gold at the end of the internet rainbow.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yep, and what amazes me is that they DON’T realise what effect this has on the userbase and developer confidence in the company and the OS.

    “We’re witnessing now where that rainbow leads. BeOS is a very impressive operating system, but I’ve been anything but impressed by Be as a company.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-
    Exactly. Took the words out of my mouth.

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