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Be cuts 27 jobs in sales, marketing, and general admin.

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Posted by:Ryan on Monday, 02 Apr, 2001 @ 8:22 PM
 
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Yahoo is reporting that Be has cut 27 jobs in “sales, marketing, and general administration”, as well as a few engineering jobs that are not directly related to their “core product lines”. BeEurope’s offices will be closed, and european marketing will be handled from the us. Man… when it rains, it pours.



66 Responses to “Be cuts 27 jobs in sales, marketing, and general admin.”

  1. PieterPan Says:

    Chugging along

    Oh man, that was kinda pending. Well, I sure hope that this will keep them afloat for long enough to get some revenues from BeIA.

    I am sorry for the employees that gotta go, but I guess that’s life :(

    Good luck Be!

    Pieter

  2. LeftTurn Says:

    Ouch!

    Well, I hope this helps Be stay around. I wish all the departing employees well and hope they find work in a timely fashion.
    Even better, I hope things turn around real quick so Be could hire them back!

  3. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 04/02/2001 9:20:59 PM

    Re: Ouch!

    yeah,.. they’ve been fightin’ the good fight for a while.

    best of luck to you folks!

  4. Anonymous Says:

    uh oh

    “………not directly related to their core product lines”

    Which can only mean BeOS since it’s not their core any longer :-(

    Expect either chapter 11 or a takeover in the next coming months. Neither of which will pan out good for BeOS, the desktop OS.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Hmmmm….

    Sounds familiar. :(

  6. georges Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/02/2001 9:51:57 PM

    Re: uh oh

    It hasn’t been their core product for a year. Is that quote really a surprise? C’mon.

    Expect either chapter 11 or a takeover in the next coming months.

    How the hell do you get to that conclusion?
    Practically every other tech company is cutting jobs too… Be isn’t doing something very surprising here.

  7. georges Says:

    Calm down……

    This is not amazing/bad news.
    Almost every tech company is downsizing. This is not uncommon in economies like ours at the moment.

    Be is not going to go under. This is the way business works with VCs. You use up your cash and then go for another round of financing. That announcement wasn’t a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

    Move along, nothing to see here.

  8. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/02/2001 9:51:57 PM

    Re: uh oh

    Yup, the company I work for laid off 4000 workers on Friday last week… so Be is not going THAT far :)

    K
    (aka wolfie)

  9. bkakes Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/02/2001 10:14:17 PM

    Re: uh oh

    Practically every other tech company is cutting jobs too

    True, but that’s not really relevant to the survival of the BeOS. If they’re struggling with funds, there’s virtually no chance they’ll ever be able to spend the time to write features that the BeOS, quite frankly, desperately needs.

  10. bkakes Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/02/2001 10:16:34 PM

    Re: Calm down……

    I’d just like to point out that getting financing is nowhere near as easy as you think (at least, not in the current climate), and especially not for a company like Be, who has yet to show any sign of a profit, works in an unproven field, and has a less-than-confident SEC filing. I’m not predicting their death nor the death of BeOS, but this is certainly bad news.

  11. georges Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 04/02/2001 11:36:41 PM

    Re: uh oh

    I think it is quite relevant to the BeOS’s future actually.
    If they don’t do this it could put them into an even worse position that they may have even more trouble dealing with. (After all, they didn’t do this for no reason.)

    I think they did this to trim some fat to help them get through their upcoming round of financing. After that I expect BeIA to be moderately/very successful. With that success they’ll be able to move some R&D funds around and probably work on the BeOS a bit.

    So it’s trim now and do well later on, or not and have trouble now and possibly later on too… which would make it REALLY hard to justify working on BeOS.

  12. georges Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 04/02/2001 11:38:15 PM

    Re: Calm down……

    Ah, but Be has the Man on it’s side, JLG!

    heh

  13. jchildrose Says:

    The Deatwatch begins….

    I fear soon we’ll be lamenting the death of our favorite OS, or at least the company that created it.IF Be does go down, I pray they release the source code, so the OS itself can be kept alive.

    Open sourcing it can only be good for BeOS, IMHO. Look at what’s been done with OpenTracker. A year ago, everyone was saying it would be a major rewrite to give us single window browsing. Now it’s a reality. Who knows…only the next few months will tell.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/02/2001 11:56:49 PM

    Re: Calm down……

    “The Man” hasn’t done very well so far has he? Don’t get me wrong. I think JLG is a true visionary, but he couldn’t sell ice water to people in hell. That’s where Be failed- marketing and evangelizing.

  15. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 11:04:15 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    Quite useful properties for my laptop!
    X was designed with X-terminals in mind.

    X-terminals are dead!
    There is a progress in Software Industry,
    Linux is doing good part in this development
    but not on the desktop side.
    On desktop Linux is trying to catch up with Windows - oh, lovely fvwm95! .
    Yeah, I’ve seen GNOME and it’s not as bad as it was before. Still, it will take years before I can
    put Linux on my laptop.

    As for being well designed - talk to Unix Sysadmins. Or better Security people.

  16. rusty Says:

    Not a recomendation…

    Just a note that if someone is interested in buying Be, Inc. stock, (because perhaps you believe that the company will rebound wildly, or even that it will survive any you think it has a long term prospect of being profitable, etc.) with the stock under a dollar a share, it might be a good time to buy.

    Then again, the stock may go down to half a dollar, or lower a share.

    Of course if you don’t believe that Be, Inc. will recover, you probably want to dump that stock now. Just as everyone else in the stock marcket seems to be doing with every other stock that I track.

    Later….

    -Rusty

  17. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 05:30:06 AM

    Re: Be job cuts

    No way Open Sauce can do it!
    There were over a million of downloads BeOS PE and
    how many new developers we got ?
    There is enough Open Sauce OSes around - wanna play, go ahead!
    If only I can find a link - there was a good list of alternative OSes with links and status somewhere.
    *BSD, Debian/HURD, ChaOS, AtheOS, FreeDOS, whatever
    why do you need one more OpenSource OS ?

  18. Anonymous Says:

    Be job cuts

    Not surprised, Be had a chance but blew it. They have made a number of mind numbing errors not the least of which was banking on the net appliance market taking off. Who the heck wants a stripped down PC that cost as much as an a real PC? No one, apparently! Be needs to realize that a cool OS is worth ZERO without a good selection of professional quality applications to back it up. I suspect that we’ll be seeing the end of BeOS as we kmow it before too long.

    Tony

  19. Anonymous Says:

    beos drops anouther third

    beos stocks dropped anouther third in reaction to the bad news no doubt. We can only hope that Be realizes we love be and need them to go open source. If they release the open source code before going chapter 11, we will still beable to keep beos alive for our uses. Ofcourse they won’t, incase someone buys the company after it dies. I wonder if we will ever even beable to see 3d card support and the MUSCLE finished code.

  20. georges Says:

    In Response To bkakes @ 04/03/2001 03:31:54 AM

    Re: uh oh

    Because I think most of the guys in charge there really like the BeOS and want to see it keep going.
    :)

    But definitely have a good point there.

  21. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 00:48:54 AM

    Re: Be job cuts

    Tony, son, you are one of the many people who wrongly refer to BeIA as a mistake, and that Be concentrating resources other than on BeOS was a mistake, etc.

    Let’s do the math. How many BeOS users do you think there are? Let’s generously say that 5,000 would actually shell out good cold cash for the next-release (R6 or Dano or whatever). Let’s say, also, that they’ll pay as much as $59.95. (And honestly, there aren’t 5,000 BeOS users out there who wouldn’t kick at a price tag like that, but anyway…)

    So. 59.95 x 5000 = $299,750.

    About what they’ll save in a little over two months, taking these recent layoffs into account.

    Regardless of whether or not you in your enlightened position believe that there is no money to be made in any IA market–and that is of course pure speculation–there is *definitely* no money to be made in the desktop OS market. And that, as just demonstrated, is not speculation. No one can make a business of selling a desktop OS today, except maybe Microsoft.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To jchildrose @ 04/03/2001 00:17:07 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    True, but as Be has said, there’s just too many peices that are licensed. It would be nice, however, if Be _did_, in fact, go down, that they open up everything they could, and let the dev community fill in the gaps. Granted, the Linux zealots would raid the code too, but then we’d see a version of Linux that would soon follow that might have the desktop _and_ server stuff that could take down the giant MS so that they couldn’t stiffle the next Be.

    Anyhoos, my condolences to those that were affected in the workforce reduction. I _can_ say that I know exactly how they feel. :(

  23. Beryllium Says:

    Hmm …

    Well, you know what they say: People in glass houses sink ships. Er, I mean: April Showers, May Flowers.

  24. Beryllium Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 00:20:30 AM

    Re: Calm down……

    He sold BeOS to venture capitalists at least three times, and then switched to BeIA, and he’s *still* getting supporters. I don’t agree with your point that he “couldn’t sell ice water to people in hell” - anyone who can sell the same thing to the same people three times, then pull the carpet out from under them and STILL have potential for success, doesn’t fit your analysis of the situation.

    [Edit: I do try to have correct grammar, I really do. Oh well, I’ll just try to stick with spelling.]
    [Edited at 2:34 Apr 3 2001 by Beryllium]

  25. Beryllium Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/02/2001 11:26:50 PM

    Re: uh oh

    What percentage of your company’s workforce was that? Be, Inc just cut 25% … granted, they were mostly “marketing” staff, but it’s still a large number …

  26. bkakes Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/02/2001 11:55:09 PM

    Re: uh oh

    I would completely agree with you, except for one thing. If they’re making money in the IA realm, and not in the OS realm, why would they go back to working on the OS? It would just be a waste of money, and since time will have passed, the number of users they would upset would be diminished.

  27. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/02/2001 11:55:09 PM

    Re: uh oh

    Yeah, dream on.
    They will stop BeOS because it makes no sense to
    continue with it, get over it.

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To jchildrose @ 04/03/2001 00:17:07 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    Yes, I fully agree.
    But as has been pointed out several times, there is
    a great deal of licensed code in there, so it is
    not an easy task. And who is willing to do it?
    After all this is (unfortunatly?) a capitalistic
    world….

    Well, I think I will be installing a new RedHat 7
    this weekend…

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 01:00:23 AM

    Re: Be job cuts

    Fully agree.
    OpenSource is the only way to do it…

  30. Anonymous Says:

    Marketing BeIA

    Most of the cuts were in sales/marketing, and for a company selling an OS for an IA, I think that makes sense. After all, a company building an IA won’t decide on a particular OS because of an ad seen in “Internet Appliance Builders Monthly”. These things are decided over executive lunches with expensive wine and smoked salmon sandwiches.

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Beryllium @ 04/03/2001 02:32:54 AM

    Re: uh oh

    We used to employ 27,000

    We now employ 23,000

    15% of our company… but a larger percentage (about 60%) of the job losses occurred in hardware.

    15% is a large amount… and since most of the layoffs in Be Inc occurred in non-engineering areas, there’s little to worry about in terms of the product continuations..

    K
    (aka wolfie)

  32. Anonymous Says:

    uh?

    Be had marketing people? didn’t notice that I have to admit…

  33. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Beryllium @ 04/03/2001 02:31:22 AM

    Re: Calm down……

    No, you don’t have to correct grammer or spelling. :P I was in a hurry and didn’t feel like fixing it.
    Now to defend my position:
    To quote Rudi Sordes (ex Be evangalist)- “the European evangelist job used to be a difficult position in the company,
    since the whole marketing team was in Menlo” and “European companies should not have been addressed by non European evangelists.”
    Well, isn’t that what Be is going back to now by closing BeEurope? They are taking a step backward.
    More quotes from Rudi:
    “BeOS survives in spite of Be.”
    “Most of the major Be API’s are not fully documented. Guess how the BeOS developper support is ! Moreover the will of Be to work with developers has not been
    proven. I’m not sure that Be people realize how crucial it is to have a developer base, even in the embedded market.”
    Even if you did successfully evangalize a developer, this kind of behavior will do nothing to win their future support.
    and:
    “Marketing guys are not to blame. I was amazed to observe the lack of leadership in this company.”
    “The lack of leadership in the US lead to a situation where isolated engineers of the development departments took control on BeOS while marketing efforts focused on a blind evangelism and personal issues, whereas they should have worked together to establish a winner strategy.”
    The marketing people were just following the leaders, and who is the leader of leaders? JLG. He just does not understand the concepts of marketing and evangalizing.

  34. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 01:11:06 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    The Lunix guys would steal BFS, and that’s probably about it. They wouldn’t see the value of the BMessage and message-passing system (”we have sockets!”), and apparently they still don’t have the slightest idea about GUIs (I mean, they’re _still_ using X11… ACK! Even with current Gnome and/or KDE, you _still_ need a command-line to do almost anything useful, and there aren’t GUI control panels/preference apps for most things).

    - chrish

  35. Henchman Says:

    What we need…

    Is a shiney new BeBox that comes in several delicious flavors with color coordinated keyboards and mice.

    A snazzy commercial with the Tracker dog running around a white back ground while some snazzy retro but cool song plays..

    That’s what we need right now I am sure of it

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 04/03/2001 10:10:12 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    Yes.
    Put another way, in BeOS you still need a GUI to do
    certain things :-)

  37. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 04/03/2001 10:10:12 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    Besides, X has some nice properties such as being
    network transparent and a well designed system that
    does it’s job rather good after more than 13 years.

  38. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 04/03/2001 10:10:12 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    The Lunix guys would steal BFS, and that’s probably about it.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–

    No need to steal BFS, since we already have XFS! Remember, BFS is a mediocre reimplementation of XFS. BFS does not support quota’s, realtime areas, and whatnot. XFS does support the most hyped about features of BFS, namely, 64-bit support, journalling, and extended attributes.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–
    you _still_ need a command-line to do almost anything useful, and there aren’t GUI control panels/preference apps for most things
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~–

    Seesh, who says that everything needs GUI controls? And for all it faults, X smokes the BeOS GUI today in 2D and 3D support. Not to mention remote display capabilities… And the InterfaceKit is getting messier and messier by the day! (and more out of sync with the existing docs).

    You see, it’s just as easy to rant about BeOS as about X! Nothings perfect… But then again, X is not tied to JLG and his team management team, thank goodness!!

  39. georges Says:

    In Response To Henchman @ 04/03/2001 11:02:24 AM

    Re: What we need…

    You mean an Apple commercial?

  40. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 12:49:25 AM

    Re: beos drops anouther third

    What does MUSCLE have to do with it?

  41. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 04/03/2001 10:10:12 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    there are more ways to open-source something than just the gpl and bsd ways. be could be creative and open the sources while still requiring that they only be used and released as beos and not another os. or maybe there is a way that is better yet.

    capoccia

  42. gabbarsingh Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 12:49:25 AM

    Re: beos drops anouther third

    yeah what does MUSCLE have to do with this. Be Inc. should be thankful to Jeremy, in fact.

  43. Henchman Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/03/2001 1:04:18 PM

    Re: What we need…

    It worked for them. It put a mediocre OS back in the spotlight only because the packaging looked pretty and hip.

    That is what Be needs. It is obvious, that in today’s market, quality means diddly - Image means everything! (even for sprite commercials that say otherwise)

    Be pulling a stunt like Apple (plus) it being a most superior OS = we can’t lose.
    [Edited at 16:32 Apr 3 2001 by Henchman]

  44. markh Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 11:51:17 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    XFS supports attributes ?
    I didn’t know this. Could you point me to some documentation on this ?

  45. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 11:51:17 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    LOL, I remember back in the day LInux weenies used to
    post more hard-cold-facts rather than FUD about the
    app_server and vapour about a beta of XFS that’s
    supposedly the next big thing for Linux after ReiserFS
    (has the latter one replaced ext2fs yet in mainstream
    distros? wake me up when/if it does :-)
    Though they still qualified as trolls in their
    behaviours and they knew to restrain themselves in
    BeNews only rather than pollute BeGroovy..
    Anyway the point is, learn to get rid of your attitude
    or just perpetuate the common knoledge that Linux freaks
    are hot-blooded teenagers who post as anonymous on forums
    of OSes that are not open-sauce just to anoy people — come
    back when you get a girlfriend, a job, and earn a living
    on your own (with a closed-soruce OS probably) please :-)

  46. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 12:49:25 AM

    Re: beos drops anouther third

    Funny, all those begging from FSF-GNU-GPL people
    to see the source..
    As someone put it on a mailing-list, this testifies
    of the ardent desire of OpenSource(r) folks to peer
    at the source of an OS that doesn’t suck :-) which
    is re-heartening somewhow…

    I mean, even if we all knwo Linux is a religion you
    can’t imagine it would be just for the sheer GPL
    evangelism, not _that_ many requests/trolling/whatever
    you call it; that would be even more intriguing than
    the fact that there still are preachers/monks-types-of-people
    after all those centuries even though they’re not supposed
    to reproduce.. (and yeah I knwo thi spost is not politically correct).

  47. Banzai51 Says:

    In Response To georges @ 04/02/2001 10:14:17 PM

    Re: uh oh

    “How the hell do you get to that conclusion?
    Practically every other tech company is cutting jobs too… Be isn’t doing something very surprising here.”

    Yes, many companies did lay off people in the tech sector. Now, stay with me here, what was the next step for many of these companies? THEY FOLDED. Yes, give the original poster a cigar for correctly identifying this trend. Yes, we as BeOS users should be highly worried about the practical continuation of our beloved OS. Be, Inc. finds itself in a situation where the market wants to see profits and Be can’t show any. No one is going to sweep in and pour financing into Be. Intel already tried that. Sony would most likely let Be die and pick up the carcass, and that would assume that Sony would seriously want to keep the Be platform around. Now couple this news with the negative SEC filing, lack of updates for the OS, lack of IA hitting the market soon, and the lack of the promised Bone and OpenGL, well, one could easily question the continued existence of BeOS or Be, Inc.

  48. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Henchman @ 04/03/2001 11:02:24 AM

    Re: What we need…

    I’d buy one! Now where did I put that credit card…

  49. Jason Says:

    The Register has info:

    “But the news, together with Be’s registration of openbeos domains, will add strength to suggestions that Be will hand its desktop OS to world dog under some kind of software libre license, perhaps to coincide with a farewell BeOS release that includes the long-awaited new networking stack BONE, and GL support. ”

    This is a clip from the register… What is “world dog”???

    Adios BeOS!

  50. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Jason @ 04/03/2001 6:02:05 PM

    Re: The Register has info:

    I suspect it intended to say the “world and his dog”, i.e. every Tom, Dick and ‘Arry (though I can’t be certain if the dog was named ‘Arry).

  51. bejc Says:

    Be

    I got hooked on the Betrain last year,did’nt even own a computer,but I bought R5 anyway.I read my
    Bible every day. I’m not giving up.Go Be

  52. Anonymous Says:

    Be

    I got hooked on the Betrain last year,did’nt even own a computer,but I bought R5 anyway.I read my
    Bible every day. I’m not giving up.Go Be

  53. nodaclu Says:

    In Response To Jason @ 04/03/2001 6:02:05 PM

    Re: The Register has info:

    The Register uses “world plus dog” as its catch-all phrase basically meaning “everyone on earth”. A U.S. analogy might be “everyone and his brother”.

    Noda

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Jason @ 04/03/2001 6:02:05 PM

    All your Be Inc. shares……

    …..are belong to us.

  55. Banzai51 Says:

    In Response To jchildrose @ 04/03/2001 00:17:07 AM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    Yes Open Sourcing would be good…for us. It would be more likely that Be would sell the source (at rock bottom prices) to someone who would like to stay away from Microsoft licensing and has muscle to play hardball with MS…Yes, I’m talking about Sony. This would be a big IF. Unfortuantly, I couldn’t see this being good for the BeOS community. Sony would most likely snap up the code and we would never hear from it again. We would just see some snippits of our favorite OS in future versions of Playstations, Home MP3 boxes, IAs, etc.

  56. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 7:00:00 PM

    Re: Be

    So, did I and I still BElieve in Be…

  57. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 3:09:09 PM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    Yeah, it’s not as if the GNU/Slashdoters will shoat if nots GNU…

    Nooooo Can’t be free, not GPLed

  58. mlk Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 12:35:32 AM

    Re: Be job cuts

    Open Sauce, but Brown Sauce can!
    Go Brown Sauce BeOS!

  59. mlk Says:

    In Response To Henchman @ 04/03/2001 11:02:24 AM

    Re: What we need…

    Eadable computers could work…

    Gets round the hole “should I upgrade” problem :)

  60. mlk Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 04/03/2001 5:29:00 PM

    Re: beos drops anouther third

    I still recond BeOS should go aviable source, on a pay to use system.

  61. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To markh @ 04/03/2001 4:47:17 PM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    More importantly, point us to some software that takes advantage of them the way, say, Tracker does in BeOS…

    - chrish

  62. Kart Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 04/03/2001 5:21:54 PM

    Re: The Deatwatch begins….

    Check out Beehive Linux, it’s not that bad.

    It’s a lightweight i-686 optimized distribution that runs on ReiserFS. The iso image weighs in around 240 MB with all the good stuff (optimized for i-686, of course) and none of the cruft.

    Personally, I still prefer a good solid *BSD over any Linux, but BSD sure could benefit from a hot filesystem like ReiserFS. Berkely FFS is pretty similar to ext2fs. Tweaks like softupdates help make it faster, however, softupdates is not the kind of thing you run on a mission critical system where you’re concerned about data integrity.

    [Edited at 10:32 Apr 4 2001 by Kart]

  63. Kart Says:

    In Response To Beryllium @ 04/03/2001 02:15:17 AM

    Re: Hmm …

    Hold your horses, we’ll burn that bridge when we get to it. Some naysayers may claim we’re marching to the beat of a dead horse, but people wearing glass slippers should not kick stones.

    I say we ought to take the bull by the skin of its teeth and run with it!

    Fish tacos for everyone, with open sauce!

    [Edited at 12:09 Apr 4 2001 by Kart]

  64. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 07:10:16 AM

    Re: Marketing BeIA

    Yep.
    This is a strong idication of (not) how much the
    desktop market is considered now…

  65. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 09:26:31 AM

    Re: Calm down……

    “The marketing people were just following the leaders, and who is the leader of leaders? JLG. He just does not understand the concepts of marketing and evangalizing.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~—

    yeah, but he’s still the only Frenchman I think I’d enjoy having a conversation with :)

    PS What the hell did he do at apple? Wasn’t he head of marketing their, and produced fantastic results??

  66. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/03/2001 11:30:24 PM

    Re: Be

    Well, I seriously doubt Sony are gonna ignore this OS. Very, very seriously doubt it. Hang in there, guys.

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