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Be Inc. raises doubt about their future as a company

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Posted by:Ryan on Thursday, 29 Mar, 2001 @ 9:49 PM
 
Be Inc

Be, Inc. raises concerns about their ability to continue as an operating company in their SEC filing from last wednesday, according to this news article. While the article is pretty straight forward, it also doesn’t give much extraneous information, so I don’t have much more information. Maybe Sony will decide to bail Be out, and continue. Or maybe this is the other shoe, inching closer to the edge. Or maybe it already hit the ground. Thoughts?



104 Responses to “Be Inc. raises doubt about their future as a company”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I’d bet money that sony picks them up….

  2. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:00:06 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    I tend to agree. Sony has too much invested in Be to see them just sputter out at this point. So I guess the question is what next?

  3. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    I’m convinced I’m jinxed.
    I bought Lucent about a year ago…LUCENT… now look at it.
    Likewise, I bouught Be stock, and it’s followed the same death.

    Hey Microsoft seems like a really good stock to buy!!! ;)

  4. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Yeah, it’s dead. IA’s are going to flop, and the tech sector is a no no to investors these days.

    OH I wish I wish they had never gone public.

    Good bye Be Inc.

  5. Setec Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 03/29/2001 10:03:59 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    What exactly does Sony have invested in Be? I’m not trying to be tricky here, I just don’t know. Sure, I’ve seen e-villa, and it runs BeIA, but couldn’t it just as easily run another offering? Have they paid Be any money? Has Be done all sorts of work for Sony for free in hopes of Sony selling lots of the buggers and getting a small licensing fee per box? Have they been bending over backwards to get Sony in part just to have a big name partner, hoping it inflates the BeIA brand recognition?

    Small companies always seem to be at a huge disadvantage when drawing up contracts with monoliths.

  6. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Is it possible that Be Inc, could be setting up for a lawsuit against Microsofts Monopoly ™ ?? If they could show that they have a superior OS, but unable to succeed because of the inability to have the OS installed on new computers, wouldn’t Be have a fairly strong lawsuit against M$ ?? Even more so with M$ getting involved with hardware companies (NVidia). JLG hinted some time ago in an interview that they could have a chance at a lawsuit, but didn’t want to go that route.
    Just a theory….

    Greg

  7. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    looks like we’re approaching Be’s finest hour.
    BONE, OpenGL, the eVilla,…

    If they’re gonna make it, they’re certainly cuttin’
    it close! :)

  8. Setec Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:19:55 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Call me crazy, but the stock market is a very emotional beast. Economics is more art than science, in my opinion, which makes it a gamble. Not only do you gamble that a company will do what it says it can, but you gamble that the stock market beast won’t rear up and bite you just because the wind’s blowing east rather than west.

    I also think that now’s not the time to say goodbye to Be, Inc. — it’s a bit premature. Have you said goodbye to your parents and friends? They surely won’t live forever. Shall we write them off right now? Besides, what are you hurrying to? Back to Windows? Not much will change in Windows land, and there’s still much you can learn, do and enjoy while we have BeOS. And who knows, Be, Inc. may yet thrive.

    The importance of a road is not the destination, it’s the journey. My BeOS journey continues.

  9. Setec Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:28:47 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    I don’t imagine that Be could even remotely dream of funding a lawsuit against M(oneybag)S.

  10. Setec Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:36:26 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    I prefer your guarded optimism to the doom and gloom circling today. I certainly wouldn’t want many of these pessimistic “that’s it, call the funeral home” posters here and at BeNews performing my brain surgery.

    Wasn’t it George Washington that firmly insisted that his death be rigorously confirmed before he was buried? =P

  11. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:00:06 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    I respectfully disagree.

    If I recall correctly, Sony had plans of “giving” the e-villa’s away at a loss in hopes that subscriptions to their internet service and the increase in market share would offset that loss in the future.

    What I see Sony doing is using this announcement as a means of pulling out of a failing fledgeling market position before it gets too deep.

  12. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Setec @ 03/29/2001 10:37:57 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    There is no ray of hope coming from Be Inc…. Nothing. We’ll never get OGL or BONE, NEVER. It’s been shelved for sure.

    I won’t be surprised if we see people start jumping ship.

  13. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:07:11 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    BAHAHAHAHAHA
    same here
    Look at PSIX on Nasdaq.
    I bought in at $2.75.

    *smacks forehead*

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:57:32 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Wow… you’re pathetic.
    I’ve seen seen anyone leap on a conclusion that hard before!

  15. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Setec @ 03/29/2001 10:48:40 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    er, he wanted that because “back in the day” it wasn’t that uncommon for people to be buried alive by accident. Coma victims and such I think…

    COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC, but hey

  16. Anonymous Says:

    wait and see

    There is an old cat saying and it goes, “It is better to live one minute as a tiger, than a whole life time as a worm.”

    Well done Be Inc. You definitely count as a tiger in my books. But to be honest, I don’t think they’re sunk yet.

    My 0.02c is that big companies like Sony etc have some very smart cookies working for them. The Sony agreement was marked March 22nd. It is now March 30. These kinds of agreements take a lot of time and money to create (read: lawyers, financial analysers etc) and alot rides on these. Sony’d entire E-Villa campaign has had a truckload of money poured in to it. Do you really think a company like Sony would partner with a company that was going down the tubes? I doubt it. If Be Inc does falter, maybe they’ll be bailed out by Sony. Who knows, it could be a good thing.

    “But how do you know that?” truth is, I don’t. Neither do you. The only people that do know are inside Be Inc, and they ain’t talkin (as we’ve seen!!).

    Have we seen many people leaving Be Inc recently? No. Have we seen agreements fall through? not that we know of. Have we seen the BeOS commiunity once again howling for blood because the OS we use has not been updated as regularly as the production line that is M$? yes.

    Chill out. If BeOS dies, it dies. No amount of wailing and moaning about it is going to stop it. In fact, the only thing it does is make us look like a pack of teenage geeks that winge if we don’t get what we want. *IF* s*it happens, take it on the chin, and move on. Have a little dignity folks.

  17. Anonymous Says:

    Same-old, same-old

    They’ve been saying the same thing for MANY MONTHS now, there is not really anything new.

    In addition to the previous posters who find it hard to believe Be is going to be going under after signing a contract with Sony (why would Sony agree to work with a company on a KEY component of their IA strategy, if they had any doubts about their ability to survive?), I doubt Be will have much trouble raising money. Look at Qubit! They raised $15 million not too long ago, and I think Be is in a much better position than Qubit.

    Gassee could raise $15 million over a couple lunches and a cigarette.

  18. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Setec @ 03/29/2001 10:25:34 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    “What exactly does Sony have invested in Be? I’m not trying to be tricky here, I just don’t know.”

    Sony has worked with Be for A YEAR getting their stuff working and their plans together. They managed to keep it quiet for that long.

    You don’t go to that much trouble with a company, and then let that company fold.

    It just AIN’T gonna happen. Sorry pessimists…

  19. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:57:32 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Ahem… nice troll.

    If it was really “that bad,” you’d have seen people bailing long ago… believe me.

  20. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 00:08:26 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    I’m not a troll.

    I’ve been a loyal BeOS user on the PC side since early 1999, and this is a different company now than it was back then.

    It IS that bad. Sony is their only ray of hope, but I don’t think people are going to buy eVillas.

    Furthermore, like I said, it seems to me BONE and OGL have been permanently shelved. There’s no money or time to work on them. Be Inc. is working against the clock, and it’s the 4th quarter, and they are down by a lot.

    Sorry if my comments were construed as troll-like.

  21. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 09:51:11 AM

    Re: The crown jewel of Qubit is a QNX machine

    You say it correctly:

    Who cares HOW Qubit got their funding?

    Well, the original poster care because he assumes that since Qubit had obtained financing successfully - that means Be Inc. can obtain financing as well.

    That assumption is totally incorrect - because HOW Qubit got their funding from Tyco is not related to BeIA-based IA at all.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 05:40:29 AM

    Re: Same-old, same-old

    The difference is that your company has firm orders to start with.

    Be Inc. has nothing but agreements (even with Sony) with no mininum purchase requirements and no mininum payment obligations. See their SEC filing for more detail.

  23. Setec Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 00:07:21 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Well, I tell you what. I hope it doesn’t come to that. I’d like to see Be actually make some money from BeIA, and not get sucked up by a monolith. I do expect Be to get by somehow, but that’s kind of my blind optimism talking.

    Never the less, I remain unconvinced about your fierce “Sony will buy Be if they have to, just to keep eVilla alive” conviction. My time in BusDev at a large technology company just gives me that feeling, coupled with the interchangability of these x86 “embedded” OS’, but, I don’t want to rehash this religious argument.

  24. Ruthrauff Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 11:10:53 PM

    Re: wait and see

    Thank you for putting that so well.

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 11:02:24 PM

    Farther Off Topic

    Back then they’d tie a string from dead a person’s hand to a bell when they buried them. So if they were buried alive they could just ring the bell. And if they turned into a vampire or zombie, the bell would ring as they dung themselves out.

  26. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:00:06 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    This is the actual Be Inc.’s SEC filing:

    http://realtimefilings.nasdaq.com/edgar_conv_html/2001/03/28/0001012870-01-001359.html

    See page 15

    “Existing agreements with OEM customers, for example, those with Sony, TEAC, Compaq and Qubit, and arrangements with our other strategic partners including National Semiconductor, Intel, Arima, DT Research, FIC and Proview, generally do not contain any minimum purchase commitments or minimum payment obligations.”

    Sony hasn’t spent a single cent in BeIA licence fee yet. Their only investment so far is a handful of engineers creating the prototype. Sony still plans to launch eVilla in May 2001 (their original launch date was April 2001).

    http://www.msnbc.com/news/550000.asp?0nm=C16M

    If Sony is going to buy something - it would mostly likely be Palm Inc. Since Sony makes Palm-OS based Clie PDA and Palm still controls the PDA market and Palm’s share is off 50% in the last 2 days. Or Sony can buy VxWorks because WindRiver controls a lot of the set-top box OS business. Or Sony can buy QNX and put it in the robotic dog (which will probably bring in more revenue in for Sony than eVilla).

    Sony uses a thousand different OS in their products - I don’t think they can buy them all.

  27. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Setec @ 03/29/2001 10:37:57 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    You’ll say goodbye to your parents when you know you have 3 months to live. Your parents will outlive you.

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 00:03:54 AM

    The crown jewel of Qubit is a QNX machine

    Qubit received $16 million in funding late last year from a couple of institutional investors, one of them is Tyco. Tyco is a giant company (annual revenue in excess of $10 Billion U.S.) that is a major player in home security systems.

    Qubit has 3 prototypes: a BeIA-based tethered IA, a BeIA-based untethered IA and a QNX-based home security gateway IA.

    The only reason Qubit got the $16 million was the QNX-based security system/IA.

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 11:10:53 PM

    Re: wait and see

    I agree… I bought Be Stock about a year ago. That is why I remember very well that it was already at time that JLG said money would last exaclty as long, so please, there is no surprise at all, may the average BeOS-user be as surprised as he will, that is obviously due to the fact that he normally doesn’t care about Be stock in particular. Meantime, even till a few days ago, we see Be hiring people… of course it was not that JLG woke up last night and figured ‘damn, no money..’, this is probably all worked out… Stock business is a trading on the future. For Be this means, they need to be able to show that there is potential - they can now first time in terms of big partners in their history… Be never made money, from the start off. Now where there is money THAT close, this is probably not the time to sign some firsts ever today only to retire from business tomorrow…
    Does this mean Be is safe? Not more than one year ago, but that is stock market as well - You get Be stock cheap because it may be busted, then again, I put weight on other things in this gamble, as I believe in Be’s capabilities - high risk = high money… in case Be succeeds, I don’t know.

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 00:03:54 AM

    Re: Same-old, same-old

    Yeah, they have been saying Be is going to run out of money in 12 months, 9 months.

    This time is different — they have only 3 months. Cats only have 9 lives - Be Inc. is on its last life right now.

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 11:10:53 PM

    Re: wait and see

    The exact timeline is this:

    March 2000 - Sony signed a NDA with Be Inc. to get the BeIA development kit.

    Jan 2001 Comdex - Be Inc. and Sony agree on principle that Sony will put BeIA into eVilla.

    Mar 22, 2001 - Be Inc. and Sony FINALLY agreed on the exact pricing of each BeIA licence.

    Original launch date for eVilla: April 2001

    Amended launch date: May 2001

    Date when Be Inc. will run out of cash: June 2001

  32. bkakes Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 00:32:01 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    You didn’t really explain yourself, which is probably why your comments were seen as troll-like.

    However, I hate to say it, but I partly agree with you. I would love to see BONE and OpenGL, and while I still expect them to come out, Be hasn’t exactly been reassuring us. You know they must have had the “we’re so low on cash, why don’t we just drop the BeOS altogether?” talk a few times. I think the BeOS’ greatest benefit to them right now is to raise awareness of BeIA. How much that will be worth to them in the future remains to be seen…

  33. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 01:05:41 AM

    Re: Farther Off Topic

    wow, I never knew that! :)

  34. Ash Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 01:51:23 AM

    Re: Same-old, same-old

    That’ll be the nature of time, then - moving in the same direction…

    Look Be isn’t necessarily screwed, whatever the doomsayers foretell. As I recall they have to make plain the worst case scenario in SEC filings, or else they’re royally screwed.

    Personally, I think it’s all too good to just die — but that’s never stopped anyone before. That said, with Be, I think there are tangible relationships they have, as folk have been talking about here which mean they are not at all sunk. The shame is that I imagine any money they do raise now will be pretty damn expensive - given how much time they have on the clock, and the general state of play with tech (or indeed any) stock.

    Let’s all stop banging the nails in, please…

  35. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 01:51:23 AM

    Re: Same-old, same-old

    This is normal for company, at least thats the case for the company I work at. We depends on customers wanting us to solve their problems. We will also run out of orders in 3 months.. and it has been the same for the last 40 years! Our sales people are very important to get us new orders and I suppose it’s the same for Be Inc.

  36. cedricd Says:

    Community not all that bad after all..

    Just a couple words to say that the reaction on benews is nearly decent for
    once (yeah I know, I had promised myself not to waste time again but I can’t
    help keep an eye on the “other” BeOS news site every now and then) : after
    the latest FUD item posted on benews, so many people stood up in the talkback
    to point out the erroneous (mis)reading (talking about “unethical
    behaviour”, “unprofessional attitude” ..etc) that BN could nearly be up a bit
    in my book now, or at least their readorship; big hugs to you all.. LOL!

    Must be the ones who both set::belongto(begroovy) && set::belongto (benewsreadorship)
    who tried to educate nlord. *grin*.

    cd. (astonished that noone made a pun like “hey, Be is leavning us in
    the dark” after the recent “black on black” codycam postings by the way :-)

    [edit]
    BTW, anyone noticed how Be folks post less on BN’s talkback,
    and not with their “Be account” but another one.. I might have way
    too much imagination but seems to me that and the fact that
    the JLG interview was a BG scoop make me think you can’t
    make up news from oldies (”post more numerous interestiing news”
    as eugenia would put it.. lol) to generate banner hits and make
    up with it forever.. ANyone more educated on it all wanting to comment,
    be my guest :-)

    [Edited at 7:34 Mar 30 2001 by cedricd]

  37. LoCal Says:

    Is this the reason for no BONE/OGL/NewMediaKit yet?

    I really wonder if they can’t afford to release the new version of BeOS? I mean will Be suffer any costs for releasing it?
    I guess that the release will bring some ppl back to BeOS and if it will be R6 they will charge for it (Or do they give Pro free to distributors?
    I’m not sure if SONY will pick them up, it’s likely but maybe SONY will wait till the last minute. But as SONY has decided to do more in “mobile media” I guess BeIA will be their mayor plattform.

    LoCal

  38. Galley_SimRacer Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:28:47 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    This is a legal question:
    OK, if Microsoft were to suddenly change their licensing agreement tomorrow, and allow other OS’es to come pre-installed on new PC’s, could they then still be sued since that was their policy when the antitrust trial began? In other words, if Be Inc. filed a lawsuit today against MS, based solely on that licensing agreement, in that it prevented Be. Inc. from gaining any market share, would the lawsuit still be valid, even though the second party had complied with the terms of the lawsuit? Could Be Inc. still sue for past lost profits?

  39. altp Says:

    okay .. what will you guys do

    Okay … lets pretend for a minute that it is august 1st 2001. Be has managed to keep its doors open with what ever extra funding it can find for this long but are finally closing up shop.

    What will you guys do? Will you stay with Beos, use and develop more apps for it, or will you move on?

    Does it depend on other factors?

    Will they open source what they can?
    Will they release a R6 and go out with a bang?
    Will they just say “sorry, and thanks for all the support”?

    Just curious what the die-hard be’ers will do?

    Altp.

  40. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Galley_SimRacer @ 03/30/2001 07:43:41 AM

    Re: Injured party

    It seems to me if the Jackson Findings of Fact hold up which they seem to be then Be can make the case that MSFT’s restrictive licensing has limited access to the market. I don’t know if triple damages come into play since IAMAL but the opportunity to dig into the 20 billion cash sitting in Redmond is intriguing. Be is being very careful NOT to suggest even the least glimmer of hype in their SEC statments so they seem to be well advised legally.

  41. Anonymous Says:

    Not to worry

    Sony has stated in a MSNBC news article that it will begin a marketing campaign for the E-Villa May 1, 2001. Which means production will be ramping up around then too. Thus, sales of BeIA for Be. I’m sure that is the source of revenue that JLG was hinting at.

    http://www.msnbc.com/news/550000.asp?cp1=1

  42. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 01:51:19 AM

    Re: wait and see

    Exactly, it’s not like Be Inc. has been hiding their financial situation for the last couple of quarters. Anyone who read the SEC filing knew this was going to happen.

    Get over it.

  43. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 01:48:48 AM

    Re: The crown jewel of Qubit is a QNX machine

    Yeah, I’m sure Tyco, the huge corporation that they are, would never want to get in on an emerging IA market!

    Who cares HOW they got the money, they got the money! They are an IA company. 2 2 = 4

  44. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 03/30/2001 07:28:03 AM

    Re: Community not all that bad after all..

    The Be folks do not post on any forum anymore (except 2-3 engineers maybe) simply because their lawyer asked them not to, about 6 months ago.

  45. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To cedricd @ 03/30/2001 07:28:03 AM

    Which account would you mean?

    “BTW, anyone noticed how Be folks post less on BN’s talkback, and not with their “Be account” but another one..”

    Ummm, what other one?

  46. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/30/2001 07:55:58 AM

    Re: okay .. what will you guys do

    I use BeOS because it works for me - I don’t ask for more than I know
    it can do. Except for when I’m playing games, I’m booted in to BeOS
    (typically staying that way for days on end). For email, mp3 management, programming, web browsing, etc, I can continue on with BeOS
    for the near foreseeable future - i don’t care for too much flash animations, javascript laden web pages, etc - and so net works very
    well for me. pop3 isn’t going away anytime soon, but now there’s REBOL
    support for IMAP so that option is available. New or updated apps
    are on BeBits every day. I would see BeOS going the way of Amiga -
    and there’s still plenty of people using Amigas as their primary machine.

    So if Be vanishes on that day, I’ll thank them all the same for the
    fantastic operating system that showed me that i didn’t have to upgrade
    my hardware for OS upgrades. For a robust, beautifully constructed
    graphical environment that remains snappy and responsive when my bugs
    express themselves in unholy ways. For a decently documented, well
    thought out API that lets non-professional coders like myself craft
    an elegant interface to the code I write w/o being a GUI programmer.
    And a system that can tolerate the worst of my bugs :)

    I wouldn’t want them to OpenSore the codebase. I believe that would cheapen it, and that it’s worth far too much to share promiscuously. Take it to the grave or sell it to a company for the pure IP value.

  47. Ruprect Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 00:32:01 AM

    troll = Anonymous

    If you’re not a troll, then why do you post anonymously??? For god’s sake, at least stand by your own beliefs and post your name! Otherwise, they’re not your thoughts at all, just pop pessimism.

    I can’t remember who said this: “Own your words.”

  48. Ruprect Says:

    In Response To Setec @ 03/29/2001 10:48:40 PM

    or Poe…

    I know Edgar Allen Poe had taphephobia (fear of being buried alive). It was an impetus for a great many of his stories.

    Check out this great link:
    http://www.snopes2.com/horrors/gruesome/buried.htm

  49. rads Says:

    uncle JL

    Think I’ll send $20 to uncle JL to tide the family over until May….

  50. Anonymous Says:

    Hope they make it!

    As an old user of BeOS, I would like be to grow and
    expand. Although, I’m not sure how they will do
    it…

    My opinium is that they should work on drivers for
    BeOS, so that people can use their current PC,
    and not having to buy new stuff! That’s where the
    difference between using an OS or not is! At least
    in Europe. People want the OS to run and use all
    they’re Operating System. Then, the next problem
    are the applications, but as internet grows
    generic applications get more web based and
    distributed.

    According to BeIA, some cools demos of what it can
    do should be available on Be the web page… that
    will make manufacturers and users thrill for such
    appliances.

    I would enjoy to develop those things!

    Go Be!

  51. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 09:56:02 AM

    Re: okay .. what will you guys do

    Be has a hefty deficit and a substantial amount of debt. If they do go belly-up (and I’m not saying they will) the codebase will almost certainly be awarded to creditor(s).

  52. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Sony’s Idei is trained as an economist. He is also a very canny man… moreso than JLG. Whatever happens to Be Inc now is not Sony’s worry… the e Villa agreements have been signed and have no doubt set out measures enabling Sony to use BeIA in case Be Inc goes under.

    If Be Inc dies, Sony will be able to pick up all its assets (read BeIA and BeOS and everything else) for peanuts. (Remember Acorn/Pace Micro?) Why would Sony pay to keep Be Inc alive? It has $90million dollors of deebt according to that Exite article. Far better in Sony’s view to let the company die, pick up all its juicy bits for next to nothing, and hand them over to its own internal development team.

    Some may ask: Why does Sony even need BeIA/OS? Well, my view, and that of The Reg, is that “Sony buys Be, to use BeIA in future broadband appliance technology (PlayStation 3? Cell-based systems?) and gives away the BeOS to encourage broader industry support, following the Linux model”

    If you read the article about Cell based sysems at the Reg, [http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/17968.html]
    … “Morimoto is tight-lipped on the subject of operating systems, saying only that it “will be an operating system that enables the Cells being connected to each other to operate in parallel”. It also has to be capable of being scaled from very small mobile devices to high-end servers, if we take his comment about the applicability of the chip’s I/O infrastructure at face value.” This seems a suitable application for BeIA.

  53. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    Gassee better hope that the Sony guys do not know what Gassee thinks of Japanese people. Remember that this is before he starts smoozing them, because he wants to sell beOS to them. This comment is made in the days when he thinks he can sell BeOS to Apple.

    “But, you know, it says something good about our country that we continue to enrich our gene pool a little bit. Which is more than we can say about Japan, frankly. I think Japan, being perhaps a little more inbred, has had difficulty trading from its position of superiority in the basics of technology - in materials technology. They don’t have many entrepreneurs; there are many more large corporations and companies.”

    http://www.usc.edu/isd/publications/networker/96-97/Nov_Dec_96/innerview-gassee.html

    Heh… basically, he says that Japanese people are a little inbred, and that they lack innovation. I hope the Sony guys don’t see this…

  54. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 00:08:26 AM

    People HAVE bailed

    Um, maybe this isn’t public knowledge, but quite a few high-profile Be employees *did* bail around the time of the “focus-shift”. Interpret that how you will…

  55. mknepher Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 01:56:22 AM

    Re: wait and see

    Keep in mind as well that the SEC filing that everyone is in a tizzy about is their annual report for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2000. All the forward-looking numbers either date from December 31, or from late February/early March when the report would have been completed (the report provides the number of outstanding shares as of Feb. 28, 2001). We’ll have to wait until Be make their Q1 earnings report before we know whether the Sony deal announced on Mar. 22 included any money. My guess would be a (probably modest) upfront bundle of cash plus royalties for units sold.

  56. Anonymous Says:

    Be will be bought

    If Be goes under it will be bought, just like amiga was.

  57. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 3:08:19 PM

    Re: Be will be bought

    Yaeh, And exactly how much has Amiga produced since they first went under… Notta! Ok, OS3.5. Quite an accomplishment in 5 years.

  58. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Ruprect @ 03/30/2001 10:54:44 AM

    Re: troll = Anonymous

    > I can’t remember who said this: “Own your words.”

    now *that* is ironic :)
    signed, ‘not the troll’

  59. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:28:47 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    This is a dumb ass statement. The solution for all companies that cannot compete is not to sue MS - Be had a great desktop OS that they did not market and gave up supporting, then got started on this whole silly IA deal - what a misstep.

  60. Jonathan Villemure Says:

    Take it easy…

    Will Sony buy Be ? Will Be buy Sony ? Those are things of the future… Personnally, as a developer, I try to live in the present. If we wait for Be to become successfull to hop on the train, it will never be and we will be stuck with M$ for years to come (worst case !!!) It’s up to us, developers and users to hop on the train and give Be a chance. My opinion is that BONE and OpenGL will come out when they’re ready. I have no fear that BeOS could disappear any time soon. It as the best programming API I’ve ever seen and just for that, I will continue to support it and make software for it. And what if Be closes its doors ? IMO, BeOS would continue to live. Maybe it would be open-sourced for everyone. An OS doesn’t die as long as there are people using it. Anyway, the financial fate of Be isn’t in your hand, so just let it go, we’ll see what happen when the time come. Don’t try to change the world. Start installing BeOS on your uncle’s or friend’s computers ! One step at the time, we will make this a better world :-)

  61. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 1:38:08 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Why would anyone buy BeOS/BeIA to put into cell phones or PDA’s?

    BeOS/BeIA don’t run on StrongARM, SH4 and MIPS - the operating system has no use in the handheld field.

  62. Banzai51 Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:28:47 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    And Be, Inc has been the piller of good management practices? Hardly. What I mean is that Be, Inc.’s woes have more to do with Be, Inc’s poor business practices than any anti-competitive MS practices. It’s not like OEMs have customer clamoring for BeOS preinstalled and MS won’t let them. Ask the consumer what BeOS is and you’ll only get a blank stare. Be has wonderful technology, but you have to separate that from the business side of the fence. From a business management perspective, Be, Inc has failed miserably.

  63. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:07:11 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Please, buy lots of MS stock!!! :P

  64. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/30/2001 07:55:58 AM

    Re: okay .. what will you guys do

    Well, BeOS works great for me as my everyday OS. I’m not heavy into games, so that’s not an issue. As long as people keep creating apps, I think BeOS will be around a long time. Unless Linux or MS goes through some radical changes for the better, they’ll have to pry BeOS from my cold, dead hard drive :P

  65. LeftTurn Says:

    In Response To Jonathan Villemure @ 03/30/2001 6:17:38 PM

    Re: Take it easy…

    I agree. BeOS won’t die as long as developers continue to support it. BeOS is on the verge of really becoming a contender OS if the right updates come out (hoping and praying they will).

    Even without Be, BeOS could survive if the community allows it.

  66. Anonymous Says:

    My two cents

    To tell you the truth, I don’t see what difference it would make if Be inc does go under as an OS company. Those of us who can copy it, will… and most of the things we need Be to do we can pretty much do ourselves. (If they would just release OGL and Bone) Hell.. BeKaffe would have kept going if it had more dev people behind it. (which it could, if they joined up) And the rest of the stuff (DVD, and all the rest which even MacOSX doesn’t have) could come out from private developers and sent to BeUnited. Or have you guys ever considered this one? Having a page solely devoted to getting us the things we need as an OS. A page devoted to raising funds and concerns (and keeping the status of) various BeOS projects. The status thing being the most important. Having ten million things in the worx doesn’t matter if no one knows about it.

    sadistic_mystic out.

  67. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:28:47 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Be is not succeeding because there’s no damn software to go with it, not because microsoft is a bullying monolith. If they hadn’t chased the hype of internet appliances (how many companies have dropped out already?), they could have started rolling out software comparable and compatible with windows. Most folks I know would like to use be, but they need compatiblity as well as a good choice of products. I don’t like Linux, as there’s a plethora of crappy products, but they are getting their act together as far as things like koffice, etc. it’ll be a sad day if be closes its doors.

  68. rusty Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:00:06 PM

    Re: I’d bet money that sony picks them up….

    Not quite exactly what I did last week, but a variation of it. I bet money that the interest in BeIA as a result of the agreement with Sony will result in interest in Be, Inc. and BEOS the stock. At the moment I have lost money on this bet.

    There are three possible outcomes. The stock will go to a value of zero, the stock will stay about where it is, or the stock will rebound. Not being the entirely wise investor I perhaps should be, it amounts to the sum total of my long term investments (asside from my house which has appreciated in value.) At the same time the fact that the price is so low means that I can pick up enough stock now that should it rebound I will have a nice nest egg, without investing so much that should I loose it I run the risk of loosing my house.

    Do I advise you to buy it? No. Make your own decisions, base them upon the best information available to you, and whatever your gut tells you about it. Just remember that in the current econommy you ain’t going to get rich quick.

    My own short term plans are to buy more stock while I can buy significant (to me) blocks of stock at reasonable (to me) prices, and hold onto them through what I hope to be several stock splits.

    Should profits ever exceed reasonable investment in research, I whould hope to see some dividends as well. But knowing how tech companies operate, I assure you I don’t expect to see them.

    Of course the possibility exists that all that I buy will end up with a value of zero. Ok. I can live with that. I have sold what little I held in some companies after I lost 90% of their value. I have also sold all of my shares in companies that had just doubled their value from what I had bought, as I believed they were at their peak, only to discover that had I held onto the stock another six months I would have approaced ten times my original investment by selling then. (that stock is back to where I sold it now.)

    The one thing to remember about buying stock is that no matter what you do, you should never put money into stocks that you can’t live without.

    Oh, two other possibilities if Sony does buy Be, Inc. either the outstanding stock will be traded for Sony stock of equivalent value, or it will be purchased at market rates.

    The other way to place money on the outcome of Be, Inc.’s statements is to buy licences for BeOS. I understand GoBe has a nice deal or two going on….

    -Rusty

  69. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:57:32 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    “We’ll never get OGL or BONE, NEVER. It’s been shelved for sure.”

    morons… look at this page to see what Be is doing:

    http://bebugs.be.com/devbugs/hitlist.php3

    —edit by Nutcase to remove about 30000 of the above line~~~~
    [Edited at 15:55 Mar 31 2001 by Nutcase]

  70. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 1:21:47 PM

    Re: okay .. what will you guys do

    as it should be. i’m very curious, though - how would its IP
    value be set? I’d reckon there’s some kind of standard, but buggered
    if I could think of a way it could be done…

    mike
    gonna sign up for a begroovy account real soon now…benews bores me.

  71. geeklife Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 1:42:32 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    eh, who cares if they do. business is business - and he didn’t come
    out and say that Sony drinks from the tit of Satan, and that all Japanese people are godless baby-eating commies. the PRC government,
    on the other hand….well, nevermind.

    Be, Inc uber alles. I think they’ll pull through - their financial
    predicament has been known for a while now, and they shouldn’t have too much trouble getting another round of financing because they actually
    have shipping *products*, not .com vapours. If the forecast was so
    bad, they’d be in the process of spinning down, not ramping up and hiring people.

    mike

  72. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 3:53:58 PM

    Re: Be will be bought

    Now that Amiga is finally on its own and owned by Amigans you should see results pretty soon. (Today for example!)

    I agree the other big corporate owners of the Amiga company didn`t exactly help survival of the Amiga platform and actually only helped in giving Amiga a bad name due to vapourware announcements. Those owner companies underestimated the amount of effort it would take to create and maintain a good multimedia platform. Let`s face it, Gateway only puts together standard of the shelf PC boxes. Almost anyone can do such a thing themselves (only alot cheaper though). Making an OS and reference platforms is a totally other game to play.

  73. Setec Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 01:38:17 AM

    Re: [No Subject]

    *blink*

    Well, uhm.. I .. yup.. I guess that’s true..

    *scratches head*

  74. cedricd Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 09:53:34 AM

    Re: Which account would you mean?

    you know the BN system: if your registration email
    addy ends in be.com you get the ‘privileged’ Be icon account,
    otherwise if you wanna emphasize that you’re “not talking
    for Be” you can use an alternate account.

  75. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rusty @ 03/30/2001 11:59:24 PM

    Re: I’d bet money that sony picks them up….

    There is a forth situation:

    Be Inc. obtains its desperately needed funding but had to “sell the farm” to do so - thereby deluting existing shareholder value.

  76. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 03/29/2001 10:03:59 PM

    So What

    Even if Sony did bail Be out, they’re only interested in BeIA. That could mean Be dropping OS support entirely anyway. The only hope (and this is total fantasy) is Sony bailing Be out and seeing the potential of the desktop OS. BeOS may actually stand a chance with Sony’s marketing muscle behind it.

  77. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 03/30/2001 10:10:24 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Either that or offer Microsoft the option of you not buying their stock for a cash incentive….

  78. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 2:35:47 PM

    Re: People HAVE bailed

    “Um, maybe this isn’t public knowledge, but quite a few high-profile Be employees *did* bail around the time of the “focus-shift”. Interpret that how you will… ”

    Since you invited me to interpret that as I would, I interpret it to mean that when the focus shift happened people who saw their pet BeOS projects being shelved, and who had little or nothing to do with BeIA up to that point in time, had to make a decision as to wether they were going to throw away all that they had worked on, and continue on with the company that forced them to throw it all away, or go to work for someone else, and perhaps continue to play around with their ideas on their own time.

    Some decided that the road Be, Inc. was taking was interesting enough to stay on it, others decided it was not. The “high-profile” people who left were, in all likelyhood, of the latter mindset.

    It has been over a year since the focus shift. Please list the “high-profile” people who have left in the last couple of months.

    Personally I think you are welcome to demonstrate the depth and bredth of your knowledge by also seprately identifying the “quite a few” who bailed around the focus-shift as well.

  79. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/31/2001 11:24:03 AM

    Re: I’d bet money that sony picks them up….

    Hey have you heard?? sony is buying Be! again?

  80. Anonymous Says:

    DEAD

    BeOS is a dead OS. With QNX RTP out and having as much success and even performing better at multimedia than BeOS, I seriously doubt Be will be able to turn things around. All the improvements happening in QNX RTP automatically filter down into the embedded devices based on its technology, definitely something that Be was trying to do, but will never accomplish. QNX has been profitable every year of its existence and because the kernel within RTP and x86 embedded devices is the same, there won’t be any work at all to move an app onto the device. Which is more than I could say for the shit you have to do for BeIA. Be should just throw in the towel and come work for QNX.

  81. rusty Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/31/2001 5:43:51 PM

    Re: DEAD

    Qnx has too small of a user base. Everything that can be done with QNX can be done just as easily on WindowsXP, and all devices that work in Windows2K and WindowsME will work in WindowsXP as well. No matter how profitable QNX has been, they have had never come close the the operating budget of Microsoft, so they should just fold up shop and go work for MS.

    No, this is not what I believe, just as I don’t believe that anyone at Be should just throw away all of their good work and go to work for some other company any more that I believe QNX should throw away their good work. For some stupid reason, people believe that just because you are not using their favorite OS, they can point to any argument they want to and say that it is sufficient reason for everyone using that product, or who is working on that product to just give up.

    If Be, Inc. folds, it happens. To me that is one big if. Right now they are pinning their hopes on a contract that they think will work out.

    I am fully aware that RT-QNX was designed from the ground up as a real-time OS. I also know that that means something different than saying it has good thread management. QNX has a long and established history for controling factory equipment, and as a result they have a nice profitable base to fund their experiments into the IA market. I have only had my hands on it once, and it reacted in a maner other than expected. (I changed the screen resolution, test worked fine, but after deciding to go to that resolution the screen went blank and rebooting did not offer a quick fix.) Since the computer was not mine, I was not prepared to go into further diagnostics to figure out how to switch the resolution back.

    I have not had the opportunity to test QNX’s multi-media capabilities. I have a laptop with a WindowsNT partition I am willing to give up in the next month to try it. Since BeOS works ok (no networking) as well as Mandrake Linux and Windows 98 on this platform, I think it would be a fair test to see how it performs on identical media, as well as on an identical platform.

    Even if it performs in a superior manner to BeOS, that will not test how well it works compared to BeIA. QNX’s basis in a real time kernel, makes for a plausably good multi-media base. But it was not built from the ground up for multi-media. BeOS and BeIA were. They may not be Real Time, but they are very good at Multi-Media. This is a belief on my part about BeIA, but few would argue against it about BeOS.

    Caldera should just drop Linux and DR-Dos and go to work at Microsoft as well. Rrriiiiggggghhhhhtttt….

    Later….

    -Rusty

  82. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 08:22:04 AM

    Re: Injured party

    The burden of proof resides with the prosecutor, right? If so, then Be would need to prove that MS kept them out of the market. I don’t think they could do this. The computer makers may have turned BeOS down because of lack of consumer interest. I think it would be hard to prove.

    pocket

  83. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To LeftTurn @ 03/30/2001 10:33:44 PM

    Re: Take it easy…

    :) Just a question for all you developers…

    if BeOS does go open source, can we try and get netpositive up to speed with… oh, say… html 4 and CSS?

    :D thanks!

  84. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/31/2001 8:40:07 PM

    Re: Injured party

    As for the burden of proof… Once Monopoly power has been established by the court as in Judge Jackson’s Findings of Fact, the “proof hurdle” is much lower. IANAL but it seems to be more like MSFT must demonstrate that it has done nothing to restrict free access to the market by any would be competitor.

    If an OEM produced a contract that could be construed to restrict competitive access then there is not much more to discuss.

    Be has released a nearly free product that has demonstrated that it has appeal as a separate boxed product yet it is has no success as a preload option by the major OEMs.

    A simple non-monetary solution would be to have MSFT include BeOS with any MSFT OEM preload package via a boot menu for a couple years. If BeOS has no appeal then there is no harm. If BeOS becomes more popular having been preloaded on 50-100 million boxes then the harm is rectified.

  85. Dale Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 11:10:53 PM

    Re: wait and see

    Just my luck! I only heard about BeOS a couple weeks ago from an article in ComputerEdge. I downloaded the free version an instantly became a fan.

    And now that I have spent the money to order the Pro version (which at this writing is still in transit via UPS), I hear bad news about the company.

    My question is, since BeOS seems to be such a good product, why hadn’t I (or anybody else I asked) ever heard about it? I had certainly heard a lot about Linux, but not BeOS. Somehow they needed to get the word out better.

    At any rate, I hope that if Be the company fails, that someone takes over the OS so that the OS itself doesn’t die! I’m anxious to see how things work out.

  86. Anonymous Says:

    OpenSource BeOS NOW! Before it`s too late!!!

    BeOS is going to be abandonware pretty soon. If Sony gets their mitts on it then it’s as good as dead. Sony gives nothing away but nobody is going to pay for BeOS now.

  87. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/31/2001 03:10:34 AM

    Gateway bought Amiga

    Amiga is long gone and it’s never coming back.

  88. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rusty @ 03/31/2001 8:36:52 PM

    Re: Caldera

    They already dropped DR-DOS.

  89. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/31/2001 1:24:25 PM

    Re: So What

    This IS a definate possibility because Sont is building a line of multimedia desktop computers (you can see them for sale in the Crutchfield stereo equipment catalogue).What better os for a multimedia computer than BeOS-the multimedia OS?

  90. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/01/2001 08:59:15 AM

    Re: Gateway bought Amiga

    It isn`t? Turn to Amiga.org and Ann.lu

  91. designed2be Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:00:06 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    Bess here. I don’t know about you, but on Monday, I’m going on to my web page and starting BeOS Bible Studies. I will be starting on page one.

    Up until now I just thought the Be Community was pooped out and kind of regrouping. Now I find out that Be is over ten years old, and that you have been through a couple of heydays already.

    I see there is a much more deepseated problem. I could guess: been all comfy and clean without the problems of the public whackos? That is a bummer. Can’t turn it loose to be manhandled and can’t survive unless you do. Something like that? May it is not that conscious. I am so sorry. If this is just an April Fool’s joke….

    All I can say for sure is that somebody must have been hoping that they wouldn’t have to go selling door to door. There is enough free advertizing web site space in Windows land to have solved your financial problems in six months.

    I had to travel to England to learn about the Be. I just live up the highway from you a couple of states.

    You had endless free advertizing opportunities. FREE!!!!! And you still do.

    But I wonder if you really want to succeed now. Do you? No matter. BeOS well never die. You have absolutely no clue about how successful Be is. I’ve just been finding out this past week. BeOS is a huge success.

    Where are the organizers? Where are the sales people? Where is the PR department? Where are the people who should have flooded Windowsland with sites…been in chat rooms…where is the marketing team that knows to a mile where BeOs has traveled?

    The man who really knows how to do this is down on the front lines, and you don’t even see that what he is doing. You got fooled by Bill Gates. All he had to do was create a rift in Be and bada boom, bada bang…down you go.

    This man is a billionaire! His very own WebTV was what brought you down. He made a toy that would offend the purists and poof! You all folded. That was the first ad campaign that said “You don’t need a computer, this is easy and cheap” You took the bait. Instead of even wondering why he might back an anti computer campaign, you just circled the wagons.

    Don’t you think he knew that how you would react when he threw down the appliance gauntlet? “The Be kids will abandon hope if I can get JeanLG to design for appliances. ” Your “feelings” would be hurt and you would not be able to take BeOS to the public and finish him off.

    Could he afford to make WebTV with his pocket change just to piss you off in a way usefull to him? Don’t you think he is that afraid of you?

    I can’t speak for your fearless leader, but he’s been around the block. BeIA, Be-anything can whip the pants off anybody. He’s landed Sony and here sits his prime cadre, doing nothing.

    Do you really and truly care if a total stranger buys an appliance? Is it such a concern of yours that you lost your will to fight, when the energy was needed to take that market?

    Bill spanked your ego and you haven’t given him a moment’s concern since. He didn’t get to be the richest man in the world by being honest and noble. Honest and noble is what he feeds on. He can play honest and noble like any way he wants.

    Your leader knows that and I bet he told you that. You withdrew your support from the better man to be a pawn of the weaker.

    Geeze, are these the hard ones? This is so basic! Somehow discord was planted and it took root. Who knows, maybe one among you is even on Bill’s payroll, That is normal business practice. He’d be slipping if he didn’t have someone watching every move over here.

    But, fear not. The need is still out there and Windows is one day closer to being exposed as nearly useless. Bill just wants to put ASL ecommerce and renting apps in place so noone will have a computer to use Be on! Then he might seduce Linux to take over for Windows?? This isn’t about appliances The appliance thing is a diversion until he can get peopple to give up personal computers before Windows is exposed. You are the ONLY threat to his empire and his fraud. The ONLY ones. The job is still the same. Get your fannies out in the public eye and make yourselves known. You are the experts, and we need you.

    Forget the appliances, you can have the planet’s busness giants. There will be no more Windows. He has to take control now or never. BeOS is the only threat.

    And I don’t want a screen and remote and use my PC as a planter.

    The fate of personal computers has fallen to you. History will live the life you leave them. I don’t envy you. What a spot. But I bet every person who has fought and died in a war for freedom is rolling over in their graves right now. You have already won the war, you don’t even have to get out of your pajamas to build Be sites and do some campaigning. You can win a huge and critical war without even breaking a fingernail…those who fought for YOUR freedom paid with their lives.

    All the free advertizing is still out there. You have a presence and you look even stronger than Linux did at the same level of recognition.

    I’m just going to keep on reading the Bible and talking about the product. I have been astounded at the respect for you and what you have done.

    People just don’t know where you are or if you care.

    You dropped the ball in the support arena…you were just having too much fun…keeping it all you yourselves. We are all out here ready to go!!! But we are scattered and unorganzed without the people who know this system.

    So can you come out an play now????

    Bess

  92. DrB Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 6:44:48 PM

    porting the OS

    i think the BeOS folks ported from PPC to x86 in a couple of weeks, so I don’t think additional CPU support (with proper architecture docs) would be a problem for them.

  93. DrB Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 1:42:32 PM

    inbred?

    he was talking about the way they do business. large japanese businesses (at the time of the quote and even some today) rarely have business relations outside of well known circles. Although it is stupid now, Americans thought the Japanese would take over the world with their superior manufacturing techniques. Remember the movie ‘Gung-ho’?

  94. repeet Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 11:26:06 AM

    I Agree!

    I’m writing this on my new 800MHz P-III. My old machine, a 200MHz P-II, is being re-outfitted. Why?
    Because I tried BeOS 5 on it last year, and unfortunately BeOS didn’t like it.

    BeOS became corrupted everytime I ran Norton Anti-Virus from Windoz 98.

    It didn’t like my video card, (S3), so I got a black and white display.

    It didn’t see my Audio Card (so ok, it was really an off brand).

    It didn’t see my NIC (internet connection) a Linksys 10/100 Homelink (yes, I know it’s on the hardware list).

    So I couldn’t get on the net, eMail, view newsgroups, or play any music or games.

    After a couple of months of reloading it after every Anti-Virus check, I gave up, and unloaded it from my system.

    So now, with my new P-III running, I’m re-fitting my P-II to run BeOS. I’ve ordered BeOS Professional from Gobe, and I will swap used hardware into my box until BeOS works. Why?

    Because I believe(?) that a Pentium II at 200MHz with BeOS installed, will be faster than my P-III at 800MHz with Windoz installed. I also beleive it will be more stable.

    But more importantly, I believe that BeOS, as concieved, is a superior operating system for the home user. Superior to either Windoz or Linux for home desktop use. That it’s a system that does not require constant reinventing, or constant upgrades to keep up with hardware advances.

    I suspect that the open source rumors are fueled by a contingent plan that, If BeOS Inc. fails, they will publish all their documentation. If so, then it will be up to us to finish the job.

    But I don’t want to finish the job. I’ve bought my copy of BeOS Professional, and I hope that you will too.

    Let us concentrate on applications and drivers (well drivers from BeOS Inc. would be better).

    So let’s lift our heads, stand tall, and fight for the little guy, the right guy, the …… oh good grief, what am I writing?…..

    I think that this is too much for today.

    See Ya

    REPeet

  95. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 03/29/2001 10:03:59 PM

    Re: [No Subject]

    I actually think that Sony doesn’t have as much invested in Be as it should. There’s been some speculation that I think should become fact: Sony should pay Be to port the OS to the Emotion Engine/Graphics Synthesizer … Sony has stated that it wants to make the EE/GS a workstation platform, so it would make a huge amount of sense to get the most modern OS out there to run on one of the most modern chipsets. However, I tend to agree with a post below that says that Sony will most likely take the monetarily safe route and let Be die so that it can buy up it’s assets at bargain basement prices. I would love to see Sony actually shell out up front, but I seriously doubt it. Regardless, I’m happy with Be and I will continue to use it as long as it is practical. If BONE, OGL, Opera 4, and Java get released, then I’ll have a platform good enough to last me for a decade at least. So, I’m pulling for them, but it won’t be the end of the world if they go under.

  96. Anonymous Says:

    We could all see it coming.

    I sincerely hope that Be do stay afloat, release BeOS 6, drive M$ to the wall etc. Somehow, though, I do not really expect it.

    The fact that they are in difficulties hardly comes as a surprise, however, does it.

    We are talking about a company which has developed an operating system with the potential to be great but some major bits of work needing to be done. Not many people knew about Be until R5 which they released and caught the attention of the world… just in time to disillusion all those people with a focus shift and complete neglect of the OS that these new users thought would be the future.

    How many sales of BeOS could Be have made if they had not effectively convinced a worldwide community of new users that the OS was going no further?

    The computer industry, sadly, is about marketting. Some are good at it and become great, they are the MS and Sun of this world. The others; Apple, IBM w.r.t OS/2, Be, and more, are appallingly bad at it.

  97. jchildrose Says:

    Be, Inc. is simply repeating history

    I said this last year, when Be first announced the “focus shift”. They are following down the same path to destruction as another OS company - GeoWorks.

    Way back in the very early 1990’s, when dinosaurs and another Bush ruled the earth, there existed an operating system far superior to anything Microsoft had to offer. This OS was PC/GEOS (graphical environment operating system), later known as GeoWorks Ensemble. Although it required DOS (any make, any model) to run, it was a true OS and not an environment like Win 3.x. It actually used less of DOS than does Win 9x. It came with an integrated Office Suite with some features that were not found in MS releases until say, Office 97. It’s stability and speed and ease of use were unmatched. (In fact, the original AOL client was written for this OS! The windows AOL client was a port!) It started gaining market share against MS!

    But alas, GeoWorks dropped the ball. You see, they set their sights on the future of computing - the handheld computer market - circa 1991. A market that never materialized. Developers dropped off on by one to develop for windows. They made deals with big companies to push their platform onto these new devices, and even to cell phones. But nothing ever really came of it. Their larger competitors in the market realized that there was no market, and left it (Remember the Newton?). By the time GeoWorks had realized the error of their ways, it was too late. The cash was all but gone.

    GeoWorks is still around, but all they do now is sue people for patent infringement over WAP. They sold of their Desktop OS business to New Deal, Inc., who still markets the 16-bit OS as a way to resurrect an old PC.

    I firmly believe Be has done the same thing. With the focus shift, BeOS developers have jumped ship with alarming regularity. And now, with three months of cash left, Be makes big deals with Sony, as other appliance makers like 3Com leave the market in droves.

    Does this sound a bit familiar? Superior OS. Increasing market share. Focus Shift. New market Big deals with big companies. Cash is gone.

    Oh well. If Be, Inc. does go down, lets hope they open source it. *But PLEASE use a BSD license and not the GPL*. The last thing we need is 250 different BeOS distros. A couple of forks would be much easier to manage.*

  98. jchildrose Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/02/2001 07:51:58 AM

    Re: Be, Inc. is simply repeating history

    Sorry, but I think the GPL is the absolute worst software license ever wriitten, and is defended by maniacal zealots bent on world domination through forced compliance to sharing. IF I use GPL source code, or parts of it, I have to release my product as GPL.

    On the other hand, if I write an application where Iused source code from a BSD license, I am free to use it *if I want to*, I am free to share my source code *If I want to*, I am free to sell it *if I want to*, I am free to return modifications *if I want to*, et cetera. BSD is the only truly free software license, in that it gives me the freedom to do what I want. I’m not forced to share, like I am with the GPL.

    Remember, no one makes money by giving things away for free. The source code that will make BONE a reality is from a BSD License. BONE will integrate into the OS. If BONE contained GPL code, now the entire BeOS would have to be given away under the GPL. Derivative works that use GPL code must be GPL’ed. Sorry, just stupid. BSD is the better free license.

    If BeOS were released as free software, I would rather see 3 solid mostly compatible forks - like *BSD, then 150 competing or specialized BeOS distributions in perpetual beta - which IMHO Linux is.

  99. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/01/2001 11:11:33 AM

    Re: So What

    Thanks for the glimmer of hope but, as the saying goes, I’ll believe it when I see it.

  100. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To altp @ 03/30/2001 07:55:58 AM

    Re: okay .. what will you guys do

    I would go Linux that same day.
    I will not want to go through another “Amiga”

  101. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To rads @ 03/30/2001 11:20:02 AM

    Re: uncle JL

    Yeah right!!

  102. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To jchildrose @ 04/02/2001 00:26:37 AM

    Re: Be, Inc. is simply repeating history

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-
    Oh well. If Be, Inc. does go down, lets hope they open source it. *But PLEASE use a BSD license and not the GPL*. The last thing we need is 250 different BeOS distros. A couple of forks would be much easier to manage.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I was agreeing up to this point. Why are there so many f*cking morons that believe that a gazillion Linux distributions are bad? It’s all about choice! Many people are happy with Red Hat, many with Debian, etc. etc.. You just pick one and stick with it!!! The Linux kernel is the same on all distributions. You can have RedHat and run the latest kernel, or just stick with the one RedHat supplied, choice!!
    If you don’t have time to play around with patches and sources just get a distribution on CD and install. It works this way for millions of people!

    If Be released their stuff under BSD all hell will break loose! Not only will you get REAL fragmentation, but companies like M$ will be free to pick the good parts and integrate them in their closed source products, and it’ll be perfectly legal to do so!!!

    Please, inform yourself well about GPL and BSD licenses…and don’t just repeat something you’ve heard elsewhere, makes you sound like a sheep… or worse, a dumbass!

  103. dhuff Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 04/02/2001 07:51:58 AM

    Re: Be, Inc. is simply repeating history

    Inform ourselves about GPL vs. BSD ? It’s easy:

    GPL = “Free” is what we TELL you it means (the socialist software license)

    BSD = “Free” means free, do what you want to with it. (the Libertarian license)

    Truly, the FSF’s definition of “free” scares me as much as any twisted word definition one can find in Orwell’s “1984″.

  104. gehn13 Says:

    In Response To dhuff @ 04/02/2001 09:42:45 AM

    Re: Be, Inc. is simply repeating history

    I agree.. If it’s free, it should be free. Not
    restricted one way or the other. If M$ takes Be
    code and puts it in something of theirs, then hey,
    the world benefits. A drop of Be would make a vat
    of Windows a better piece of code. Why are you so
    *against* big companies using the code? I don’t
    want to use Windoze, but a lot of people do.

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