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BeOS GUI Position Available. Customizable UI?

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Posted by:Ryan on Wednesday, 28 Mar, 2001 @ 5:12 PM
 
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Be has an interesting Job Listing on their site, which looks for someone to “Understand, maintain, extend, destroy and recreate various levels and branches of the BeOS GUI, from interaction with the graphics drivers up through the update mechanism and font rendering, and topping off at customizable UI components tightly integrated and extended with web standards”. Does anyone else find the pospect of “customizable UI components tightly integrated and extended with web standards” to be interesting? Maybe this is a BeIA thing, but why does it say BeOS? Hmmm.



38 Responses to “BeOS GUI Position Available. Customizable UI?”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    [No Subject]

    i can see be releasing betas of bone and opengl with java perhaps along with details of a new release.
    That would give them time to bring out the goods in the same timeframe as windows XP and a “finished” MacOS X.

  2. BGA Says:

    Rumors day?

    So? What is it that? :)

    -Bruno

  3. Big Al Says:

    Here’s my theory…

    After having quite a few laughs at the expense of the postings at BeNews (you absolutely *have* to love the BeOS community! :) I guess its time to get serious for a moment.

    I think that as Be moved into the IA arena, they realized a big thing. BeIA alone won’t cut it. There are some applications that need a full-fledged OS like BeOS (the TASCAM products) and BeIA won’t cut it. I wonder if Be, Inc. hasn’t decided to start putting some effort into BeOS again, realizing that there are more uses for it other than just ‘the development platform for BeIA’.

    As a desktop, BeOS might still be on the backburner. But as an embedable OS, they might start putting a lot of effort into it due to the possibilities.

    -Hey - it’s just a theory… :)

  4. Anonymous Says:

    R6

    Maybe that “fake” R6/Dano screenshot wasn’t so fake after all.

  5. rusty Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 03/28/2001 7:39:19 PM

    How’s this for a variation…

    While BeIA may not be appropriate for a large app, (perhaps the fine folks at GoBe, or the people who have been working on AbiWord can pipe up with a comment or two on this) VNC has been shown to work well on extreamly small devices, down to the size of a PalmIIIc.

    If (I grant that it is a big if) BeIA is to be able to display MS-Office documents, perhaps Be is working on a way to transparently present them across a network. I.E. You start with the storage location of the file, indicate to the webpad or IA device that you would like to view the document, and rather than try to kick off locally a large app to view the document, it connects with a BeOS based box that formats the document, then that box pops up a window on the BeIA device to display it for you.

    Another alternative could be that they are looking for someone to start by writing a new web browser for BeOS that can be open sourced, then that person will be expected to leverage what he has learned about the BeOS GUI to start maintaining the general GUI stuff.

    Only Be, Inc. knows, and aside from posting the ad for a person (which considering the rising failure of so many dot.coms is a slap in the face of those predicting the demise of Be, Inc.) they don’t seem to be doing much talking. :-)

    -Rusty

  6. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 10:04:57 AM

    Re: Does anyone have thoughts on what this means?

    Tell me please which window manager uses XML?

    I think sawfish uses a sort of LISP, but beyond
    that…

  7. Dianne Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 03/29/2001 09:12:25 AM

    Re: Old listing?

    Yes, it’s been up there for at least six months.

    *shaking head*

  8. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 09:19:51 AM

    Re: e Villa

    There’s also something going on at http://aloha.be.com *shrug*

  9. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Big Al @ 03/28/2001 7:39:19 PM

    BeOS is NOT the dev-platform for BeIA

    Not anymore, as far as I know…

  10. Anonymous Says:

    bedope?

    And what do you think of mike popovic appearing in the discussion of openbeos.com on benews and saying something about ‘april fools day is coming… just saying’. Will bedope come back? Oh how I’d love it to!!

  11. mlk Says:

    Hmm, I think this has been there for quite some time…

    But if they don’t mine me working from home, I’ll do it :)

  12. Anonymous Says:

    Read the Answer on BeNews!

    http://www.benews.com/story/3898
    It explains everything what they are building. They are building an new BeIA Dev Platform. This Platform obviously does not share binary compatibilty with BeOS, therefore it CAN’T be considered as the new BeOS R6 (or whatever).

    BeOS RIP. Be was not truthfull by saying that BeOS is the BeIA Dev Platform and that it will continue to exist in that form (that was truthful only for a year or so). Be has failed us all.

  13. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 04:43:23 AM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    Um… BeNews has been in a bit of a weird mode recently, posting random stuff.

    By saying “in development” they could just be referring to the next release of BeOS. Or maybe they are taking BeOS of ‘development platform’ status as back to product level. There is no clear indication what is going on. That said, there are people at BeNews who seem to actively support the death of BeOS (saying that will get me in trouble, but it’s true). So, IMHO, you should take some things there with a huge planet sized chunk of salt.

    Of course, then again, it could be true.

  14. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 03/29/2001 05:49:26 AM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    I am not a dump reader Nutcase, I don’t need to be told by either BeNews or BeGroovy what to believe, especially when I see things like that written in an official paper like the annual report or when the level of support/updates BeOS had the past few months from Be (none that is). And BeNews, at this instance, does a good job pointing out these issues. We are not needed to be driven-in by blind advocacy, as you do in most instances. I do my reality checks often.

    I read the whole annual report yesterday (being a stockholder for quite a while now) and I was troubled myself about this matter. If Be have the same attitude as yours towards BeNews, they better talk now, so they will avoid any more 5-line editorials.

    But as you said about the issue: “Of course, then again, it could be true.”

  15. 0dB Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 04:43:23 AM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    First of all, it only explains everything if you make assumptions, and assumptions are traditionally the mother of all fuck ups. This is a classic, I-know-what’s-happening-because-someone-without-any-actual-information-told-me-so situation. Backed up with the old, and-I’m justified-in-posting-it-because-I-have-an-opinion (just like arseholes, everybody’s got an opinion).

    Second, lessons in how to read, and some logic. Be states:

    “The binary compatibility issues stem from the physical differences between a development environment and the target device. ”

    i.e. 100% compatability would require that Be insists that OEM’s modify their hardware to fit BeOS - a route that only a person incapable of running a business would take.

    “These differences prevent any serious development from being done on BeIA-powered devices, although limited testing and debugging can be done.”

    i.e. there will be no BeIA powered Development platform. Interestingly, BeNews and yourself have made the opposite conclusion. Be states it serious development CANNOT be done on BeIA because the hardware differences PREVENT it. BeNews therefore concludes that BeIA will power the new development project. What planet are they on?

    “BeOS provides a robust, reliable environment for creating new code (applications, drivers, and system extensions), testing and debugging of code in the BeOS environment, and remote testing and debugging of the code on devices, with a set of tools that allow for high productivity and maximum effectiveness. We expect professional developers of BeIA code will use this environment almost exclusively for their coding, testing, and debugging needs.”

    Well, that’s a bit lengthy but I wanted to avoid accusations of cherry picking words to suit my own opinion, just like BeNews. But to condense it by removing extraneous detail:

    “BeOS provides a robust, reliable environment for creating new code , testing and debugging We expect professional developers of BeIA code will use this environment almost exclusively”

    i.e. BeOS will power the new development platform.

    Final lesson in words and what they mean. The “BeIA Development Platform” means the platform that is used to develop BeIA code. That could mean using Atari Falcons and an abacus for all we know, but of course you have decided it means BeIA, despite the fact that Be has officially stated to the SEC that this is not possible. It’s akin to saying the General Motor designs their cars with computers that run on the Engine Management System. Personally, I rather suspect they use an alternate operating system, and still manage to cope with the lack of binary compatability.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 03/29/2001 05:49:26 AM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    It seems to me that equally important to BeIA is MAP. MAP is the centralized managment tool for the IA and it seems to me it must be able to manage a network of IAs. It would appear that BeOS is more applicable to MAP than the simple BeIA appliance.

    I don’t have any special knowledge but I always thought that the reason for BONE was the network managment requirements of MAP.

    BeIA is proprietary and I can think of reasons that Be would want to keep the development platform quite restricted. I would expect that SONY would like to be able to deliver content in a controlled manner and control of the development platform would be very important.

    Also, by developing a separate BeIA development platform, Be has another revenue stream which will help keep the doors open and that is a good thing. Content creation programs commonly cost far more than the simple client (often free). If the BeIA develpment platform contains these creating tools then it surely would be more costly than BeOS.

  17. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To 0dB @ 03/29/2001 06:51:32 AM

    huh?

    I fail to see where BeNews say that the new BeIA Development Platform will be based on BeIA.

    I do believe that “a kind of” BeOS will power the new BeIA Devel. Platform. But the point is that this new DevPlat won’t be binary compatible with BeOS and it will have extensive changes in it to make BeIA work better (as it seems from the BeNews story that they have some trouble currently). Which means, that this is an internal version, only for Be partners, not for public comsumption, since it won’t run well or at all any BeBits applications.

  18. chrish_work Says:

    Old listing?

    Isn’t this one of the really old job listings on Be’s site?

    - chrish

  19. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 02:23:34 AM

    Re: BeOS is NOT the dev-platform for BeIA

    Considering that BeIA interfaces appear to be HTML and Flash, it seems to me like Windows would be the most appropriate (or maybe MacOS) dev platform for BeIA. At least, once you’re done your custom drivers/boot code/etc.

    Still hoping someone makes an IA device with credible 3D support for OpenGL (say, using that mobile Radeon core)… BeOS would be a very nice platform for a game console, I think.

    - chrish

  20. chrish_work Says:

    In Response To Nutcase @ 03/29/2001 05:49:26 AM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    Of course, we can’t tell what’s true and what’s nonsense until Be actually does something. Since the focus shift, they’ve been releasing press releases, not software. ;-)

    - chrish

  21. Anonymous Says:

    e Villa

    Just to make sure that BeNews does not get all the good speculation stories:

    There’s somthing going on at http://evilla.be.com

    :)

    JD.

  22. Nimdok Says:

    Does anyone have thoughts on what this means?

    “and topping off at customizable UI components tightly integrated and extended with web standards”

    This line doesn’t make sense to me, can someone explain what a web standard extended UI component might be?

  23. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Nimdok @ 03/29/2001 09:51:49 AM

    Re: Does anyone have thoughts on what this means?

    XML-based GUI. I mean, the Linux window managers are already using XML and Lua, LISP or other scripting language to configure and arrange a “theme”.

  24. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 12:12:06 AM

    Re: Does anyone have thoughts on what this means?

    Netscape 6/Mozilla

  25. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To chrish_work @ 03/29/2001 09:16:44 AM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    But that’s what Silicon Valley companies are supposed to do, right? If you try to avoid even MENTIONING deliverables, much less committing to them, you never fail to meet expectations.

    Granted, you go out of business with nothing useful to show for it, but you’ve maintained that mystique all the way down.

    (WattsM, who can’t find his BeGroovy password at the moment)

  26. Nutcase Says:

    In Response To Dianne @ 03/29/2001 12:29:48 AM

    Re: Old listing?

    I suppose i could try to squirm my way out, but I think i will just be sheepish and embarassed instead. :(

    At least it fostered a bit of discussion. :)

  27. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 12:44:17 AM

    Re: e Villa

    It says “optimized for NetPositive”.

    You _know_ that makes it older than old, in Be terms.

  28. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/28/2001 11:26:24 PM

    Re: R6

    It wasn’t fake, but don’t count on seeing it anytime soon (if ever).

  29. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 5:37:52 PM

    Re: R6

    What screenshot???? Where???

  30. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 07:09:44 AM

    Re: huh?

    I fail to see where it says anywhere that the “new DevPlat” won’t be binary compatible with BeOS. Please provide a source.

  31. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 1:59:40 PM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    One of the great curses in modern business is The Patent. Due to the rules of patents, you cannot at any time give away any ideas you have in advance of the product release. Otherwise it’s public knowledge, and ‘pouff!’ up goes your chance of a patent in smoke. It seems clear to me that the technology involved with IA’s has a lot of potential patents. If Be say anything at all about these technologies that could be interpreted as prior disclosure they stand to lose a whole lotta money. They are absoutely right to be cautious to the point of paranoia IMHO

  32. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 5:37:52 PM

    Re: R6

    Yes, it was fake. I have it and it has several inconsistencies that indicate to me that it was pasted together.

    Nice try.

  33. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 1:23:02 PM

    Re: Does anyone have thoughts on what this means?

    Mozilla is a WEB BROWSER, not a WINDOW MANAGER. That’s not the same at all…

    At least not now. 4 years ago, if Netscape had had its way with Constellation… But those are bygone ages, never to return again :)

  34. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 9:39:23 PM

    Re: R6

    Not to be short, but you’re wrong. I’d be interested from a conspiracy-theory, did-we-land-on-the-moon point of view as to what “inconsistencies” you think you found, but again, you’re wrong.

  35. Anonymous Says:

    This would allow the GUI to be released open source

    If someone at Be, Inc., redoes a lot of the GUI, the whole GUI could be released open source. While this isn’t the whole OS, it is closer than just Tracker and Deskbar.

    Also, various feature requests, like nonrectangular windows, and bug fixes might be made.

    -Cash Erler

  36. Anonymous Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/30/2001 9:39:29 PM

    Re: This would allow the GUI to be released open source

    Actually, that’s not true. Much/most of the “GUI” lives in the app_server, which isn’t a candidate for open-sourcing.

  37. NathanW Says:

    In Response To 0dB @ 03/29/2001 06:51:32 AM

    Re: Read the Answer on BeNews!

    I agree. One more tidbit is this: “testing and debugging of code in the BeOS environment”. This implies that BeIA and BeOS are, if not binary compatible, certainly source compatible, which we PPC users have lived with for a long time.

  38. NathanW Says:

    In Response To Anonymous @ 03/29/2001 5:26:29 PM

    Re: e Villa

    It’s new, actually. It’s for BeIA dev partners, I think. ( It won’t accept my pre-BeIA, though still valid, dev ID)

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